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J. Crew Guy ([info]j_crew_guy) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-07-21 19:37:00


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Entry tags:cons, cosplay, entitlement, internet psychologist, what is wrong with you people?

Cosplay and cutting, they're like peanut butter and chocolate in a way
At Cosplay.com, lemoned wants to know why there are such restrictive rules about cutting and cosplay at Ani-Magic.

I'm not trying to start any drama.. But you may want to rethink your "Policy on Cutting." ...I understand wanting to have open wounds covered with all of the blood-borne diseases out there, but there must be a more eloquent way of putting it. Or maybe just taking out the part about cutting and saying that ALL open wounds must be covered.

As someone who has done this before, I feel singled out and I find it very offensive. While most of the time I have the "good sense" to cover my scars up, I am planning a costume that will not have them covered. Will I be asked to go change? Or "reported" if I refuse?

Again, Please, please rethink this rule.


The rule, which has been removed/changed: Policy on Cutting:
We are so not cool with this practice. While we understand what brings on this form of self-inflicted injury, our concern is for the public safety and health of all our convention attendees. Persons found with fresh bleeding injuries will be asked to leave the property or denied membership. If you have visible healed juries, no worries, go have fun with your friends, but do have the good sense to cover most of them up. If you do not cooperate in helping us deal with this, you'll be asked to leave. We further reserve the right to notify appropriate medical authorities in dealing with your issue.




People talk about it. The pro-cutters seem to feel that it's their right to show up and have open wounds along with their costumes. Because it's discrimination and against their rights, despite the con's right to refuse entry to anyone.

Sadly the thread's been closed, but dig the wanky response from the board mod at the very end.

It really gets fun when the Anime Jump! forum starts a-mockin'.

What's astonishing are these drama queens demanding the right to spray their infected-with-God-knows-what bodily fluids all over their fellow con attendees. Is it discrimination? Yes, I believe we SHOULD discriminate against getting bled on by strangers.

Now, more than ever, I believe mental health professionals should visit anime cons, to get a look at their future patients.



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[info]oxydosic
2004-07-22 05:55 am UTC (link)
I'm a little confused, are they talking about cutting solely to complete their cosplay outfit or that they routinely cut themselves and just want the right to have their oozing self-inflicted wounds out for all to see?

I mean, the first is still creepy but maybe somewhat understandable..

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[info]loki
2004-07-22 06:57 am UTC (link)
Probably the latter. The thread hints that there was a problem with cutting last year, but no-one goes into details.

As for the former? Yikes; I'm sure there's paint for that or something...

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Last year's incident - [info]jess_d_ripper, 2004-07-22 01:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loki, 2004-07-22 05:51 pm UTC
Re: Last year's incident - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-22 11:27 pm UTC
Re: Last year's incident - [info]oysteria, 2004-07-23 01:11 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-07-22 07:13 am UTC (link)
Surely they don't need their costumes to be *that* authentic. Sheesh, just go buy some scar gel, stage makeup, and stage blood, and make your own bloody wounds. It's not hard, and much easier to get out of clothing than real blood.

castalianspring (LJ)

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[info]dawnswalker
2004-07-22 07:34 am UTC (link)
If you want to have wounds for cosplay, they could just wear stage makeup or paint the bandages/clothing red.

I think they're actually talking about people who are routine cutters.

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(Anonymous)
2004-07-22 06:25 am UTC (link)
I agree with a no open wounds policy, no matter the origin of the wound. It's the healthy way to go.

However...
If you have visible healed juries, no worries, go have fun with your friends, but do have the good sense to cover most of them up. If you do not cooperate in helping us deal with this, you'll be asked to leave.

::snort:: What are they gonna do, walk up to people with scars and ask, oh did you do that to yourself? I have a friend who had an accident while making glass, and boy, did it look like she tried to slit her wrist.

~psychesky

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[info]spacefille
2004-07-22 07:00 am UTC (link)
I agree with you 100%. If I maybe a bit wanky myself, I kinda see healed cut wounds as something of a person's choice... if they want to be a closet cutter, they will hide their cut wounds. If they want to be an out of the closet cutter and show off their scars to all the world, who are they to say what to do with their scars?

Bleeding on people is unhealthy though, as you mentioned. Please be a considerate cutter an cover the unscabbed over fresh wounds with proper medical devices, to ensure that your blood stays with you and doesn't travel. :)

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[info]leopard_lady
2004-07-23 01:45 am UTC (link)
I have a friend who had an accident while making glass, and boy, did it look like she tried to slit her wrist.

I can relate. I have a scar on my right wrist from an IV when I was a baby that looks like I went "down the street, not across the tracks."

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[info]iczer6
2004-07-22 07:09 am UTC (link)
Okay, WHAT THE FUCK?

Are open wounds really that much of an issue?

Damn, makes me happy I don't go to many conventions.


Icz

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[info]snarkbunny
2004-07-22 07:11 am UTC (link)
I must have missed the memo about how having psychological problems resulting in self-destructive behavior means that society needs to have them shoved in its oh-so-close-minded face until it accepts them as just another part of diversity, instead of meaning that maybe you should get help so you don't hurt yourself anymore. Between this and the pro-anas...

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[info]spacefille
2004-07-22 07:40 am UTC (link)
Hey now. I don't mean to sound supportive of cutters or anything and I'm not nor ever was a cutter myself (I don't like pain at all), so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought cutting was a way of controlling one's life. Something to the effect of that the pain aspect is one thing that the said cutter can control if he or she feels that they can't control much else in their lives. Which, yes, would indicate a psychological disorder of somesort.

However insisting on not being exposed to it, especially healed wounds, seems a little excessive to me and in voliation of rights. Let's put it this way... say, for example, you saw a tranvestite wandering down the street in a dress. Well you could very much say that it's well within your rights NOT to see a man in a dress if it disturbs you, but the male transvestite could just as easily say it is within his rights to wear a dress in public. In this instance who would be right? Same, I feel, goes for the cutters. Some people might not want to see cut wounds on another, but is it really in their rights to tell a person what not to do with their bodies or even pass judgement on them?

See... I don't even know the answer to this one. But I hope it gives something to ponder on...

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(no subject) - [info]snarkbunny, 2004-07-22 07:54 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]spacefille, 2004-07-22 08:03 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-07-23 02:17 pm UTC
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[info]blackjackrocket
2004-07-22 07:32 am UTC (link)
And what happens if you're standing in line to get your ticket, then you mis-step and skin your knees? That's 'fresh bleeding injuries' right there.

Or you skin yourself shaving the night before?

Or if you're at the con, you go for the last Kyogre plushie and wind up being stabbed with the businuess end of the Masamune by an overly-in-character Sephiroth? (No wait, Seph would go for a Deoxys one...)

And of course, this means parrot owners will be banned.

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-07-22 07:42 am UTC (link)
Presumably the folks running the con are going to use a level of common sense with regards to injuries sustained in the line and at the con proper, but...

Look, if you hurt yourself before the con and it's bleeding and such, use a goddamn bandage. I don't care whether it's intentional or accidental or if you have stigmata or whatever; when in public places, you don't goddamn bleed on strangers. It's courtesy.

(It terrifies me that there are people who need these concepts explained.)

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-22 07:54 pm UTC

[info]embyquinn
2004-07-22 08:15 am UTC (link)
Speaking as a longtime cutter (for over 25 years, though I haven't cut in three and a half, go me!), I can say that I would never even consider using my wounds as part of a "costume" for any reason, and cutting yourself merely for display (or cosplay) purposes is an incredibly stupid thing to do.

I spent most of my life hurting myself and not understanding why. In other words, I was cutting when cutting wasn't cool. =P I don't think it needs to be "socially accepted", let alone flaunted. Sure, I show my scars if somebody asks to see them, but I don't shove them in people's faces. And when I was cutting, I wore long sleeves to hide them.

People who actually cut due to emotional or mental illness don't want people to see their wounds. It's shameful to us. It's hard for me to talk about right now, even though I've been cut-free for so long. I find anyone who wishes to flaunt their self-injuries, particularly in a bid for sympathy or attention, to be incredibly offensive.

And they shouldn't have changed the rule. Free-flowing body fluids aren't something that needs to be publically acceptable. Anywhere. Ever.

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(no subject) - [info]aloysius, 2004-07-22 01:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-23 02:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkvalkyrie, 2004-07-23 09:14 pm UTC

[info]mastervex
2004-07-22 08:23 am UTC (link)
Not bleeding all over everyone else? Common frickin' sense/courtesy/health practices, hello. But I think asking people to leave just for having scars showing is pretty damn assholish.

It does seem kinda screwed up that they're referring specifically to cutting. Couldn't they just say no open wounds? Has there really been a huge problem with dumbasses waving wounds around and yelling that they cut themselves? Or are they just reacting to the knowledge that there are people who cut?

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-22 08:42 am UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-07-22 09:40 am UTC
Chances are - [info]karmakaze, 2004-07-22 08:09 pm UTC
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[info]logan
2004-07-22 09:49 am UTC (link)
The policy could be seen as discriminatory against people with Schleroderma, Pachyonychia Congenita, Epidermolysis Bullosa, Psoriasis, and severe excema.

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[info]xero_sky
2004-07-22 10:58 am UTC (link)
Geez, I hope they get this figured out, 'cause a ban would totally screw my plans to authentically cosplay FanFiction!Duo Maxwell this year.

That, and the fact that I can't figure out a way to get beaten up enough to make it look like Heero worked me over without actually getting killed in the process.

*sulks*

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[info]missambs
2004-07-22 01:05 pm UTC (link)
Dude, from what I got of this, one chick cut herself and was walking around with open wounds -- ONE chick. Most people have the good sense to at least wait for the bleeding to stop before wandering around. Jesus.

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[info]mister_terrific
2004-07-22 02:12 pm UTC (link)
Huh. I'm stunned beyond words. I've worked and attended conventions since '83, and this is the first time I've ever really heard about "cutters", much less their right to walk around with open wounds.

Beyond the entire issue of self-mutilation, the con chairman hits the nail on the head that the committee is perfectly within their rights to set up rules such as this and deny entry to those who violate the rules. It isn't a public venue; you have to pay to get in, therefore, their rules.

Is cutting the big thing now? I'm squicked enough with body piercing as it is. I mean, going out of your way to inflict pain on yourself... Not to mention that 20 years from now, you're going to still be carrying the results of these actions and thinking "Jesus God I was stupid back then."

Mister Terrific
Defender of Fair Play

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[info]redjackcash
2004-07-22 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Wow...only in the anime fandom.

For the young kinds nowadays, it actually is considered cool to be a cutter. It means you're demented and insane and different from the "mundanes". I've seen more than one incident of a girl scanning her "cuts" on deviantart and getting yeled at. Although it looked more like she was fervently picking a scab than anything else, I cannot see how anyone can be proud of that.

Cutters aren't people who are proud of what they do...most of them want to stop. I am greatly offended at the amount of people who take cutting lightly in order to gain sympathy and status...they're using a serious issue for their own personal gain. It's disgusting.

...it seems to be expecially prevalent in the anime fandom, where scars are considered "cool" and "sexy". I don't think they realize that it's fight scars that are cool and sexy, not, crazy/psycho/fictional-person-imitation scars.

Hey everyone, guess what? I'M WHACKO CRAZY! Everyone take pity on me OMFG!!!!

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(Anonymous)
2004-07-22 08:02 pm UTC (link)
Ok i think the cover your old scars part is a bit over the top but this

(OKkkaaaaaaaay. First of all, what you do to your body in your own time is no one's buisness but your own. Second, it's not like this chick was sitting outside at the pool going at herself.

Cutting is a side effect of very serious depression, and harassing someone about their scars is SO rude and insensitive it boggles my mind. You can't DIS-ALLOW depressed people to come to cons. You can't just say "I don't want any cutters coming to my con! So stay out or cover up!" That's just so ... I can't even describe how insane that is.

Oh my God, FRINGE PEOPLE? I'm sorry if I'm freaking out, but for you to insult people with depression like that is ... I can't even describe it, because I'm so shocked at you, Revell)

So basically if I follow this persons logic the only one who really matters is the poor depressed cutter and if she has to cover her OPEN WOUNDS then there infringing on her rights despite the potental to pass disease. in other word a depressed persons right to bleed in public is more important that the health of the general public. Dude what an asshat.

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[info]eag
2004-07-23 12:12 am UTC (link)
Is it just me or do these people have like the freakiest user icons ever? @_@

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[info]krazycat
2004-07-23 12:41 am UTC (link)
jeez.

there are so many comments I could add to this thread, both on ways cutting can be understood and on those goddammn awful LOOK AT ME I AM MYSTERIOUS AND DEPRESSED girlies who wear short sleeves to show off their scars.



however, I'm going to go over to that corner there *points* with my skittles instead. mm... skittles..

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(Anonymous)
2004-07-23 02:14 am UTC (link)
Did I read the same thread as everyone else? Because I didn't see one person argue that people should be alowed to walk around with open wounds. Everyone seemed to agree, in fact, that all open wounds should be dissalowed, and that it was insensitive for the rules to single out cutters. Which I thought was quite reasonable.

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(no subject) - [info]avocado, 2004-07-23 07:20 am UTC

[info]teratologist
2004-07-23 02:26 am UTC (link)
While we're banning bodily secretions, can we get people who snuffle their mucus audibly and wipe their noses on their sleeves, too?

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-23 03:05 am UTC
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[info]darkvalkyrie
2004-07-23 09:44 am UTC (link)
Now all they need to do is pass a rule requring congoers to wear deodorant. My nose has horrible flashbacks every time I have to work at Akon, not unlike a traumatized Vietnam vet.

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(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2004-07-23 02:36 pm UTC


 
   
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