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Becca Stareyes ([info]beccastareyes) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-07-27 00:52:00


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Current music:Lies, Evanescense
Entry tags:fandom: inuyasha, grudgewank, mediaminer, plagiarism

'Apparently' Plagiarism
Okay, some background. I am a low-ranked fanfiction mod on Mediaminer.org. I don't do much beyond help decide on featured fanfiction, but I do have access to the admin forum. So I got first row seats for a plagiarism wank.


Meet Aeryn the Demon. She's a 'writer' in the Inuyasha fandom. For whatever reason, she decides to copy a novel's text (the novel in question happens to be The Viscount Who Loved Me by Julia Quinn), change the names to Inu-yasha characters, slap an AU label on it, and upload it to mm.org and ff.net. But it's okay, because she says she didn't write the text and credits Julia Quinn.

Yeah. Right.

Not only did ff.net ban her ass once, but the the Admin mailbox for mm.org gets a rather terse email from Ms. Quinn's publisher. Apparently, they are Not Amused by Aeryn's antics and are taking it up with the site admins.

Needless to say, the publishers get an apologetic email back, and Aeryn gets a rather PO'd email from the admins about how 'Plagiarism is bad, mmmkay?' and a banned account. I would offer quotes, but all of this happened in private forums, and that would be rude. I am told the publishers also contacted her.

Of course, I am boggling at the wank, but I can't post it here because it all happened behind locked forums. About all the general site sees is a reminder on the front page that plagiarism is not tolerated.

Well, Aeryn posted an 'apology' that I was pointed to today. I quote here in case it is deleted.

I regret to inform you all loyal readers, that due to the fact that The Hanyou Who Loved Me is supposedly plaigerism, it will not be shown anymore. I do believe, however, that I had warned people that I was re-writing the novel to include Inu Yasha characters as stated below.

"I don't own Inu Yasha, nor did I write this piece of literature from whence this story comes. (Thanks Julia Quinn) This novel, by said Julia Quinn is actually called The Viscount Who Loved Me."

My apologies, readers, but This fic will no longer be up on mediaminer.org. Perhaps I should put it elsewhere. Farewell readers.

AerynTheDemon


Even better are the reviews. Again, quoted in case of deletion, and reversed so that they will be in chronological order...

 Title: DIE!
Reviewed By: Kagome_The_Little_Ally_Of_Justice [MediaMiner Member]  On: May 29, 2004 14:08 EDT
Comment/Review:
I wish to personally inform the self-righteous WORM who whined to MM.org about this fic that I HATE YOU. You are a whiny little prick that doesn't deserve to be allowed on this site. Please kick yourself in the butt for me. Death&Daggers, Moi


Title: Throughly Annoyed
Reviewed By: Wolf_Demon_Ayame [MediaMiner Member]  On: May 30, 2004 21:57 EDT
Comment/Review:
I'd like to second Kagome's statements. If she said that she was re-writing the fic/novel with the anmes substituted...SHE"S NOT IN THE WRONG! I was really looking forward to the next and subsequent chappies. I would like to say that I am disappointed in the snitchlike behaviour of the rat who told. YOU'RE on my list buddy...and it's not the good/birthday kind either. *shakes her fist* Damn you!


Title: awwww
Reviewed By: Sirius The Dark Angel [MediaMiner Member]  On: June 04, 2004 01:29 EDT
Comment/Review:
I wanted to read it V_V' Dran you This internet site!!!!!!


 Title: Gasp!!!
Reviewed By: Sirius The Dark Angel [MediaMiner Member]  On: June 04, 2004 01:32 EDT
Comment/Review:
You mean someone removed this from the site.* face begans to burn with fury!!!!* I will kill them!! I really wated to read this really baddly!!!!!!!! I agree with the other two.


 Title: Fanilia, Administrator, Mediaminer.org
Reviewed By: Fanilia [MediaMiner Member]  On: July 27, 2004 01:39 EDT
Comment/Review:
To AerynTheDemon: 'If you're old enough to write fan fiction, you are old enough to know what Plagiarism is'. You need to understand that it's not just words that are copyrighted, it's the thoughts and ideas the orginal author spent months working on. Those things came from her/his mind and imagination. To copy it, changing only the names, is NOT OK even if you give credit to the orginal author. It is still stealing and is illegal in the United States, Canada and most other countries. Publishing books is a business and the copyright owners can be very serious in dealing with plagiarism no matter who or how old the author is (and yes, your parents are also reposnsible for your actions, both legally and financially). If we leave works of this nature, we could and would have to face possible legal ramifications up to and including the closing down of the entire site. That would leave over 2,000 forum members without a forum, and well over 1,000 members in each the Fiction site and the Art galleries without a place to archive and display the works THEY actually created themselves without having to steal someone else's work and change the names. You're not welcome on this site, and if you have any comments feel free to direct them to me. There is a link to my profile and email in my name, but then there is one for all our members in yours too.


Title: Lady Macbeth, Moderator, MediaMiner.org
Reviewed By: Lady Macbeth [MediaMiner Member]  On: July 27, 2004 01:49 EDT
Comment/Review:
I would also like to point out to the parties below that as much as you may "hate" us, death threats are also illegal, even if you "don't mean it" when confronted with it. Posting abusive messages for the Administration and Moderation teams (the ones who follow up on and remove documents from the site) is a good way to make a permanent record of your intent and thinly veiled threats. Please keep that in mind, and remember to use the Contact links in the future.


The stupidity, it burns. Seriously.




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[info]zannechaos
2004-07-27 10:21 am UTC (link)
I remember when you first told me about this wank storm beginning to brew. I've been hoping you'd post about it just so I can use this icon.

My god. -_- I'm tempted to join the forums just so I can post a big, flashing pic of a waaaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance for her deluded whiny ass.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-06 11:17 am UTC
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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2004-07-27 10:23 am UTC (link)
Wow, someone should post in reply to those kiddies and tell them to go buy the novel and just replace the names in their heads. :p

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(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-07-27 11:20 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 12:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 03:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 05:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 07:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 08:33 pm UTC
GIP - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-27 09:26 pm UTC
Re: GIP - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 09:28 pm UTC
Re: GIP - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-27 09:40 pm UTC
Re: GIP - [info]greekhoop, 2004-07-28 12:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 06:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-07-27 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 11:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-07-27 11:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 11:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-07-28 02:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-28 02:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-07-28 12:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-07-29 05:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amasaglajax, 2004-08-03 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-08-04 05:30 am UTC
She's STILL at it?
[info]misachan
2004-07-27 10:43 am UTC (link)
Man, I remember this story from when it was roasted at the old Godawful board, way back before FF.Net booted it. We all assumed she just faded back into the woodwork. Even then I was more aghast at her delusional reviewers than at her. You almost have to admire her persistence, if nothing else.

In a way, this is worse than if she'd actually committed plagiarism. At least taking credit for someone else's work makes sense. What does copying out an entire novel prove, aside from how desperately you need a hobby? Your superior command of the search and replace function?

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Re: She's STILL at it? - [info]zozma, 2004-07-27 07:11 pm UTC
Re: She's STILL at it? - [info]zozma, 2004-07-27 07:46 pm UTC

[info]criticalcricket
2004-07-27 10:50 am UTC (link)
It burns me.

With media so saturated with the evils of plagiarism, you'd think they'd get the point. Plagiarism is the high-jacking of not just words, but ideas. So you said "It's not mine!" That doesn't mean you didn't steal it!

People really make me wonder sometimes. What happens inside their heads that makes them think this is acceptable behavior? Better yet, what's up with all the lamebrains defending the plagiarist. You wanna read the story so bad, buy the author's book!

Support the Artists, not the Art Thieves!

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[info]dunc
2004-07-27 11:19 am UTC (link)
...She plagiarized, admitted it, and then had the guts to get HUFFY when they took it down?

Sheesh. If she comes out with a whiny 'poor little me' act next, I say we remove her from the gene pool.

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(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-07-27 11:22 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 11:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2004-07-27 10:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2004-07-28 10:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2004-07-28 11:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-07-28 11:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2004-07-28 11:29 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-28 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2004-07-28 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]suzywongdress, 2004-07-27 10:11 pm UTC

[info]ladyrogue
2004-07-27 12:06 pm UTC (link)
Fanfic archives should probably be on the lookout for her since she says "Perhaps I should put it elsewhere." In idiotspeak that means "YOU SUK I'LL PUT MY AWESOME FIC ON ANOTHER UNSUSPECTING ARCHIVE AND THIS TIME I WON'T GET CAUGHT."

Um, yeah. Because if she's gotten caught twice, clearly third time's the charm.

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(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2004-07-27 01:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-07-27 01:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2004-07-27 01:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 02:00 pm UTC

[info]faultypremise
2004-07-27 04:32 pm UTC (link)
...

I'm seen some delusional writers before, but this takes the cake.

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[info]llama_treats
2004-07-27 04:39 pm UTC (link)
Didn't someone in the HP fandom do a similar thing involving a story with "Viscount" in the title as well?

It must be a plagiarist thing. I wouldn't understand.

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(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2004-07-27 04:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]croik, 2004-07-27 05:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]renata_hpjc, 2004-07-27 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2004-07-28 02:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-07-28 02:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-28 04:55 am UTC

[info]spikewriter
2004-07-27 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Avon (the publisher in question) is definitely someone a small forum doesn't want to piss off as they do have money and lawyers to burn -- and what it would take to shut down MM.org is pretty small potatoes. Corporately, they have no sense of humor about situations like this which (speaking as someone who'd like to sell a book) is a good thing.

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[info]sarajayechan
2004-07-27 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh, for the love of fuck...I dunno what's worse, the author or the whiny reviews!!

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[info]kijikun
2004-07-27 05:16 pm UTC (link)
The thing that amuses me is that fact that Julia Quinn is probably laughing her ass off right now.

err..no I don't read her books *shifty eyes*

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(no subject) - muzivitch, 2004-07-27 05:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]geekmagirl, 2004-07-28 05:11 am UTC
(no subject) - muzivitch, 2004-07-28 05:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bitca, 2004-07-28 05:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xeno4eyes, 2004-07-29 12:11 am UTC

[info]ahiru
2004-07-27 05:26 pm UTC (link)
I like how she complains that her story is supposedly plagiarism (or rather, 'plaigerism'). Because copying a book word for word except for the names, that's not plagiarism at all. Those big meany admins are just being nasty to poor innocent her.

Though it is good to know that if you acknowledge you're copying something that makes it legal. I'll keep that in mind for my new book The Lord of the Fish: Fellowship of the Tuna, about a brave short person named Modo trying to throw a fish into Mt. Nasty.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 05:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2004-07-27 10:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 11:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llorelei, 2004-07-28 08:34 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-28 05:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-28 05:42 am UTC

[info]senor_pinata
2004-07-27 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I don't know what's worse--the whiny teens or the fact that they're whining to read a totally original fic novel that's probably not all that good.

But then I'm not a romance novel fan.

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[info]smo
2004-07-27 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I wanted to read it.

THEN BUY THE BOOK, YOU NONG. Jesus. Talk about unclear on the concept.

'If you're old enough to write fan fiction, you are old enough to know what Plagiarism is'.

And you're old enough to know how to spell it, too, for Ah Pook's sweet sake.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-28 05:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-28 04:48 pm UTC
Blinks...
[info]lillyv
2004-07-27 06:21 pm UTC (link)
So...wait. The author of the book she ripped off gets involved and tells her she wants it down and the fic author STILL thinks she's in the right? WTF?

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Re: Blinks... - [info]mrbimble, 2004-07-27 11:22 pm UTC
Re: Blinks... - [info]vasaris, 2004-07-27 11:34 pm UTC
Re: Blinks... - [info]xeno4eyes, 2004-07-29 12:15 am UTC

[info]shinigami_co
2004-07-27 06:24 pm UTC (link)
... *twitch*

*iz ded frum dum*

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[info]redjackcash
2004-07-27 06:31 pm UTC (link)
Someone needs to tell this bitch to shut up and go make me a sammich.

...and also that the actual author was bringing legal rammifications upons mm.org. Because it seems like her, as well as the people reviewing her, just think it is the MEAN PLAGERISM POLICE OMG.

You see, fans like this ruin it for everyone. Does anyone else remember Darkover fanfic? No, ya don't, 'cause it barely exists!

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-27 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2004-07-27 09:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2004-07-27 11:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-08-04 10:11 am UTC

[info]arielchan
2004-07-27 06:59 pm UTC (link)
The stupid. o_O It burnsss.

(Incidently, has anyone thought of posting the new Something Positive wank over Randy supposedly hating SP now? I could do it myself, but... I'm lazy.)

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(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-07-27 07:27 pm UTC
Ah, Romance Rip-offs...
[info]zozma
2004-07-27 07:23 pm UTC (link)
We had an example of this kind of thing a couple of years ago in my little corner of the Gundam Wing fandom--in that case, the plagiarized work was a twenty-year-old god-awful Viking-themed romance novel. (Alpha Viking gets all hot 'n' bothered over the innocent maiden/youth who got away, and spends the next three chapters not knowing whether he wants to rape or kill her/him when the Norse raiders go back to maiden/youth's village. True love was somehow meant to ensue.) Luckily, one of our members remembered reading the original shite in a misspent moment of her youth, and was actually able to track it down.

The best part was that the original had been reprinted, and the sample pages posted on Amazon included several of the scenes that had already been copied.

I still wonder if the novel author got any sales from our link to the craptastic original.

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Re: Ah, Romance Rip-offs... - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-27 09:47 pm UTC
Re: Ah, Romance Rip-offs... - [info]ymfaery, 2004-07-29 02:20 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-07-27 07:36 pm UTC (link)
*Wank* Not plagiarism - plagiarism is unattributed quotation. This is unfair use, which is equally illegal and sucktastic. */Wank* Sorry about that - I'm a geek. :p

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(no subject) - [info]renata_hpjc, 2004-07-27 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 09:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rob1, 2004-07-27 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-27 11:13 pm UTC
"Unattributed quotation" is too narrow a definition-- - (Anonymous), 2004-07-28 07:29 am UTC

[info]phosfate
2004-07-27 07:45 pm UTC (link)
I would also like to point out to the parties below that as much as you may "hate" us, death threats are also illegal, even if you "don't mean it" when confronted with it. Posting abusive messages for the Administration and Moderation teams (the ones who follow up on and remove documents from the site) is a good way to make a permanent record of your intent and thinly veiled threats. Please keep that in mind, and remember to use the Contact links in the future.

Remember, kids - If you're going to make death threats, make 'em in private.

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(no subject) - [info]eag, 2004-07-27 07:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2004-07-27 08:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eag, 2004-07-27 10:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2004-07-27 09:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-07-27 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2004-07-27 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xeno4eyes, 2004-07-29 12:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-07-29 02:26 am UTC

[info]rewind
2004-07-27 08:45 pm UTC (link)
Can't comment. Teh stoopid ate my brain.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 09:37 pm UTC

[info]katemonkey
2004-07-27 09:28 pm UTC (link)
What I don't get about this is how on earth people like this get full text copies of the novels anyway.

I mean, okay, filesharing networks, but you have to be specifically looking for something -- you're not just going to stumble across a novel, go "Oh, I bet that'd make a great ___ fic!", and find/replace to your hearts' content.

Or are they actually typing it all in? In which case, I salute them! And their carpal tunnel syndrome!

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[info]jaina
2004-07-27 09:43 pm UTC (link)
The crazeh, it boggles the mind. What a nutjob.

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A bit OT but stil relevant
[info]iczer6
2004-07-27 09:45 pm UTC (link)
The title of the book sounded familiar so I checked Mrs. Giggles site of snary romance novel reviews and lo and behold:

http://www.mrsgiggles.com/books/quinn_viscount.html


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And in true form, the wank has eaten my mind. - [info]feenix, 2004-07-27 10:43 pm UTC
Re: And in true form, the wank has eaten my mind. - [info]smo, 2004-07-27 11:26 pm UTC
Re: A bit OT but stil relevant - [info]psychofangirl, 2004-07-28 03:59 am UTC


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