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The Other Dubya ([info]misswindy) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-08-22 05:23:00


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Current mood:Caffeinated

FIC AWARDS RULE! Especially if I win everything!
Recently The OC fandom walked in the grand tradition of all fandoms and had its very first fan fiction awards. And since history is always bound to repeat itself, a day after the award winners were announced, wank occurred!

[info]shelbecat organized the awards, and posted on LJ, FanFiction.Net *and* TWoP. But mostly on TWoP. Shockingly, all the authors from TWoP won, even though just skimming over the entries I'm thinking a lot of the LJ stories should have won just on the basis of, like, SPELLING.

Here is [info]shelbecat's confirmation of the obvious (that fanfic awards are basically popularity/visibility contests.) Non-wanky in and of itself, but along comes [info]missdeviant, who won an award and still thinks the whole awards process is mega-wanky, and so were the results, which, yeah, had some pretty unreadable non-LJ-based "winners."

She adds that this is not a slight toward [info]shelbecat herself, but shelbecat tells missdeviant what she can do with that disclaimer.

But along comes [info]mswalter, who co-wrote or singlehandedly wrote the majority of the "winning fic" and surprisingly has no problem with the awards at all! In fact, she finds them quite fair, unbiased, and an accurate representation of quality fic in the fandom! LOL Here is the post where she plays the "I'm a professional writer so I know what I'm talking about" card, calls the generalizing LJers haters, and then makes the generalization that LJ writers for The OC are big on really minor things like grammar, spelling, punctuation, formatting, spot-on characterization and excellent dialogue, but suck at plot.

Here it is in all its wankerrific glory incase it is BAHLETED:


First things first: I love fanfiction awards. I get that they are often fucked up _ the "wrong" stories win, the voting is skewed, the best stories are overlooked, it's mostly a popularity contest, blah blah blah. I still love them. I think it's fun to see which stories get noticed, and to see which way the popular vote goes.

The Citrus Awards are no different. I was totally flattered to be nominated, and thrilled to win. I didn't agree with all the winners, but hey, that's just my opinion.

There's been a lot of "discussion" on LJ today about these awards, and a lot of that chatter has been pretty revolting. Many writers whose work I admire and respect have come across sounding like complete idiots. And I'm not talking about making bitchy remarks that may or may not be directed at me. Hey, they've got every right to air their opinions and I'm a big girl.

But to summarily ridicule an entire contingent of fanfic writers _ after admitting that they haven't even read most of the stories _ well, that's just stupid. And the thing is, I think they're wrong. Not morally/ethically wrong _ again: opinions, freedom of speech, blah blah blah (although to dismiss the awards as a whole, and in effect the person who organized the whole thing _ all kinds of fucked up) _ but just wrong about the stories themselves.

There's this assumption that the LJ writers are just straight up better than the writers at ff.net and from TWoP. And the truth is, I used to buy into it. A lot of my favorite OC writers are on LJ, and I've friended them here because I want to read their stuff (despite their ginormous egos, which I used to find more endearing than annoying _ they're good! they deserve the egos!). But are they really better than everyone else?

It's true that looking at mechanics and, for the most part, characterization, yeah, the LJ contingent is generally better _ sometimes *a lot* better _ than the rest of the OC fanfic community. The writing is clean and mostly error-free, the dialogue is crisp and real, the characters are believable. But when it comes to plot and story? Yeah, not so much.

For what it's worth, I'm a writer and editor by profession (not fiction _ newspapers) and I've worked a great deal with non-published fiction writers (plus written quite of bit of my own, not that that matters, since none of you have seen it and I'm sure it’s all crap). My point is, I feel like I know what I’m talking about here, and I certainly know what makes a story good for me. And one of the most important qualities in fanfiction, or any sort of writing, is telling a story that actually grabs my attention and makes me want to read more. With a lot of the LJers, I love their style and I’m insanely jealous of the way their words come to life, but I don’t give a shit about the story they’re telling.

Notice I say "a lot". Because I think some of the LJ writers do know how to tell a kickass story *and* work the gorgeous writing technique. Hackthis’s Telegraph Avenue positively rocked both worlds (which was duly noted in the Citrus Awards). And obviously many of the writers I read here have produced some very memorable stories, even if I find much of their writing repetitive and unimaginative, plot-wise.

Meanwhile, many of the TWoP/ff.net writers, for all of their misspellings and misplaced commas and mixed up verb/noun agreement, know how to tell a story that grabs readers and thrills them. They pump up the drama and the angst, they create these wild plots, they throw a million different curves at their readers. And you know, I love them for it.

I think what bugs me about all of the discussion going on here today is that it just uniformly lauds a small contingent of LJ writers, while dismissing as worthless not only the other writers who were nominated, but a whole league of *readers* who simply prefer the TWoP/ff.net stories to what’s posted here at LJ. Because they prefer a story that excites them _ poor grammar and all _ to one that’s extremely well written but doesn’t really go anywhere.

Anyway, just my opinion. Congratulations again to all of the winners (which ha! I almost spelled “whiners”), and especially to [info]shelbecat, who is my hero for the day.

*

(To which I said on [info]missdeviant's LJ: I think if you've got four original characters and two canon characters all in the same fic that are utterly indistinguishable from each other, no matter how "pumped up" your plot might be, it might be more productive to buy a tape recorder and just tape yourself masturbating.)


The cherry on the wank sundae comes by way of mswalter's writing partner, [info]maudgonne, who gets passive aggressive and all MOST of you accepted the wonder that was these fan fiction awards and did not act like a stupid ungrateful biatch. MOST of you. Thank you so much, those among you who are nonstupid. *huggles*

Excellent.



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[info]grapefruitzzz
2004-08-22 04:27 pm UTC (link)
They're brave, having an argument within three thousand yards of TWoP. Don't their mods ban people at random every time an argument gets interesting?

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[info]misswindy
2004-08-22 07:04 pm UTC (link)
This all took place on LJ.

But lo! I have located the TWoP thread for the awards where authors are all doing the "THank you!"/"No! Thank YOU!" mutual admiration society thing, and have figured out the problem: ALL of the TWoP and FF writers who didn't win aren't slashers. No wonder no one on LJ won anything except for in the Best Slash categories. (Also have to ask myself what kind of bizarro fandom do they have on TWoP these days? Slash is like 95% of this fandom!)

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[info]kindest_demon
2004-08-22 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I've actually never seen anyone banned from TWoP unless they were pretty much trolling or disrupting the ability of the thread to continue.

Then again, I don't hang out on the message boards of shows with historically wanky fanbases, so... *shrugs*

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[info]chash
2004-08-22 04:43 pm UTC (link)
You know, I feel that for a fic to be able to grab me, I need to be able to read it. If a fic is poorly spelled/punctuated, it's actually rather hard to get sucked into the plot because it hurts me. And I think if you professionally edit fiction, you should know that shit doesn't fly.

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[info]smo
2004-08-22 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Also, no matter how good the actual content might be, the presentation makes the author look... well, stupid.

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[info]frelling_tralk
2004-08-22 10:57 pm UTC (link)
If the author hasn't even put in the effort at fixing the spelling, then yes I am going to make judgments on the overall quality of the fic. If you've got spelling mistakes in your first paragraph I'm most likely going to stop reading from there.

I try and use spell check for just posting on the internet, so I've got no time for people who write fiction and can't be bothered to find a decent beta. To me that says a lot about the effort that went into the fic.

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[info]mariagoner
2004-08-23 12:16 am UTC (link)
Oh hell yes. And if an author of an epic can't even bother to spell-check his/her damn work before putting it up for the masses, he/she probably didn't bother coming up with good characters or an interesting plot line either.

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[info]pfeffermuse
2004-08-22 05:15 pm UTC (link)
Anytime, a "professional writer/editor" comments that proper spelling, grammar and punctuation aren't as important to a story as plot and characterization, I'm always left wondering just how much of pro they really are.

You can't expect an audience to take an interest in a story if the writer doesn't have, at the very least, the talent to use the spell-checker.

Pepper

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(Anonymous)
2004-08-22 06:44 pm UTC (link)
I kind of agree with her original comment, but only in the sense that "proper spelling, grammar and punctuation" shouldn't be an issue in ANY non-personal writing forum. It's sort of like how ice skating/gymnastic/diving/insert flooffy sport of your choice don't deduct points if the athlete makes her/his performance look effortless. The judge doesn't add points just because the athlete didn't fall down, they assume that that's one of the basics. But if they DO fall down, then the competition is over; 12th place, here they come. Unless they're Paul Hamm. So if a story has adequate, or "perfect", grammar then it isn't as important as plot/characterization. In any other case, it probably shouldn't be read past the first few paragraphs.
-calgal on LJ who knows it is easy to get a JournalFen now, but just doesn't want one. And who knows she has been watching far too much Olympic coverage.

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[info]rhi_silverflame
2004-08-22 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Anytime, a "professional writer/editor" comments that proper spelling, grammar and punctuation aren't as important to a story as plot and characterization, I'm always left wondering just how much of pro they really are.

Must be Anne Rice's editor, I guess.

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[info]coffee_mug
2004-08-22 06:05 pm UTC (link)
My experience in fandom is that rather often, as the plot gets more complicated and mindblowing with its twists and turns, the fic also goes more and more OOC. It's just insanely difficult for most writers to come up with a plot that would actually be believable and fit the canon in most perspectives.

Which is why I can't see her incredible love for amazing plots. I'd rather read a well-written character piece with hardly any plot than a badly spelled, badly characterized fic with a promising plot.

But I guess this is just because I'm an ebil LJer.

& Also.. The Pro-Writer card kills, every single time.

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[info]misswindy
2004-08-22 06:56 pm UTC (link)
My experience in fandom is that rather often, as the plot gets more complicated and mindblowing with its twists and turns, the fic also goes more and more OOC.

I completely agree with you. Dude, one of the FIRST THINGS they teach you in creative writing 101 (after "show, don't tell") is that if you have great characterization, plot will usually follow much more easily.

The thing that I thought was wanky was how she tried to argue that good plot= TWoP = not LJ writers = deserving of awards. That just made me laugh and laugh. That's not even logic. Forget if A then B. That's like... If A then Q.5.

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[info]wrenlet
2004-08-23 03:17 am UTC (link)
Also... how "amazing" are these plots, really? I can't count the number of times I've read various works in progress and boggled at all the feedback that boiled down to, "Wow, I never saw that coming!"

While over in the corner I'm tearing my hair and resisting the urge to explain that it's because it was a completely unsupported plot twist tossed in by someone who has no grasp of story mechanics. At. All.

*pant wheeze*

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[info]blue_linnet
2004-08-23 05:53 am UTC (link)
My experience in fandom is that rather often, as the plot gets more complicated and mindblowing with its twists and turns, the fic also goes more and more OOC.

YES! I have seen this happen so frequently, and often people fail to notice, because they're caught up in the storyline that author has created. And she's often got a lot of worshipful fans by that point. In my fandom there's a popular story right now that is really damn OOC. It's basically the author's sex fantasy. And apparently a lot of readers'. But nobody wants to say 'hey, this is great smut' so they all say 'oh, what a great interpretation of their characters'. NO! NO IT ISN'T! And someone sent a review pointing this out to the author, who reprinted in a messageboard.

And of course everyone tells her how mean the reviewer is, and how great her story is. ARGH ARGH ARGH. I hate this whole 'any review but praise is a flame' thing. aaagh.

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[info]redjackcash
2004-08-22 07:04 pm UTC (link)
because if the Olympics have taught me anything, it's that "winning is nice".

Man it is so great to know that this girl totally missed the point of the Olympics.

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[info]ashinae
2004-08-22 07:40 pm UTC (link)
But. But wait. She's an editor? And she's using underscores instead of em dashes? When was that made acceptable punctuation? Her keyboard can't possibly have a sticky shift key -- there's no gratuitous caps all over the place. I don't get it. It makes my brain hurt.

</wank>

*slinks away to boggle quietly somewhere else*

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(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2004-08-23 02:28 am UTC
Bad!Dubbing wank
(Anonymous)
2004-08-23 12:35 am UTC (link)
Lovely wank, but since I don't have a JF acct :

http://www.livejournal.com/community/4bastards/15833.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/4bastards/15971.html

And here's where the real splooge starts.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/4bastards/16211.html

Its got everything! Bad Dubbing, threatening emails, friends jumping in to attack opposite parties, and it stems through posts! Though, I did stop reading when the first use of bolding and swearing came into play, but oh how it grows.

--Eclair

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The crazy thing is...
(Anonymous)
2004-08-23 01:13 am UTC (link)
I've heard almost that sentiment echoed over at Teresa Neilsen Hayden's blog, Making Light. She's something like editor-in-chief for TOR.

Boiled down to its essence, what she had to say was: if you want to rise above the slushpile, you do not need perfect grammar and spelling. There are entire teams of people who have been schooled in the intricacies of the English language.

What you need is the most awesome idea that has ever kicked down a door (or maybe its little brother) and good enough English to convey the idea and make an impression on whoever's turning the slush. From there, if you'll let them, the editors will take your raw idea and spit out a gleaming gem.

If you make the gem gleam yourself, however brightly you polish, there's the chance your prospective editor may see nothing but cubic zirconia.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather read PTerry's latest Discworld novel in final proof than first draft. But technical perfection doesn't sell books, unless they're in the nonfiction section.

--GF

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Re: The crazy thing is... - [info]misswindy, 2004-08-23 02:32 am UTC
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[info]kalika_maxwell
2004-08-23 02:17 am UTC (link)
So what they're saying is that I should stop trying to improve my deficient English grammar and just bask in my greatness? Because hey, I might not have any style, but I can write *lots*, I can write plot and I can write original.

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(Anonymous)
2004-08-23 02:43 am UTC (link)
No JF account, but perhaps someone else can post this. Isiscolo and the ego that ate Tokyo is at it again: http://www.livejournal.com/users/isiscolo/172278.html

The discussion between her and Musesfool is particularly entertaining.

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[info]wereleggo
2004-08-23 02:50 am UTC (link)
Ahhh, OC Wank, I have been waiting for you!

I use my brand-new icon in your honor!

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mswalter responding...
(Anonymous)
2004-08-23 03:27 am UTC (link)
I know I'm gonna regret this...

I'm mostly staying out of this, because I'm pretty much done with it and you all can have your fun without me.

But. I just wanted to clear up a couple small things.

1) I was an idiot to pull the pro writer/editor card. My bad. Feel free to continue mocking me for that one.

2) I won the majority of awards? So, three awards out of 35 is a majority now? OK. (For the record, it was an LJer who ruled the awards with five wins.)

3) When I referred to the spelling and grammar problems that tend to plague TWoP/ff.net stories more than LJ stories, I wasn't talking about the authors at ff.net who are too lazy to bother with a spellcheck and a beta. I was referring to the TWoP writers who do try, who do work at their writing mechanics, and who still haven't managed to nail their/they're/there and still slip between present and past tense sometimes. They're good story tellers, a lot of them, and they're trying, very hard, to be good writers, too.

That's all.

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Re: mswalter responding... - [info]missi, 2004-08-23 04:14 am UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - [info]misswindy, 2004-08-23 04:25 am UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-08-23 06:40 am UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - [info]naienko, 2004-08-23 06:51 am UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - [info]misswindy, 2004-08-24 04:55 pm UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - (Anonymous), 2004-08-24 06:14 pm UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - [info]misswindy, 2004-08-24 06:29 pm UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - (Anonymous), 2004-08-24 06:51 pm UTC
Re: mswalter responding... - (Anonymous), 2004-08-24 08:26 pm UTC
SOT
[info]marlo
2004-08-23 11:20 pm UTC (link)
I love your icon. <3

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Re: SOT - [info]misswindy, 2004-08-24 05:13 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-08-24 04:58 am UTC (link)
Funny how slanted this wank is.

By the way, almost 50% of the winners were on LJ and yeah, many ff.net writers aren't big on punctuation, but the winning fics were well written.

Wank ensued because a 'winner' felt she didn't win enough. Pure and simple.

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