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Maria ([info]ladyofviolets) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-09-08 10:29:00


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Current mood:Bitch Slapped
Current music:LIPS - Moonlight Densetsu

One SHOCKING wank from the FAKE ML
It all starts when one person says that she doesn't like another's fics in her journal - and a member of the ML reports it. Here's the journal entry:

Lately I've been trying to kick an old homewrecker ficauthor from
the
> FAKE fandom. After she's been threatening to leave the fandom for
the
> 4th time, I decided to make it my job in giving her the little
extra
> push into the right direction. She is 42, has two kids and trying
to
> make her boy gay, husband just left her because she is a loser. Why
> do I know all of this? Because she talks constantly about her
> personal life on the FAKEmailinglist. Well, here are some of her
fics:
>
> One 30 chapter epic is about Dee becoming victim to a gay bashing,
> leaving himself blind and practically paralyzed from the waist
down.
> Ryo and Dee meet up with a model gay couple who love each other so
> sweetly and whom adopted a disadvantaged deaf girl. How noble of
> them. Anyway, Ryo goes through panic attacks multiple times (up to
> the double digits, people) and consoles within the uke.
>
> Another fic, equally long, Bikky gets his turn of becoming
paralyzed,
> from a car crash coming home from camp. And then there's another
one
> where Dee is kidnapped and suffers post-traumatic stress disorder,
> and on top of that, he finds out he is diabetic! This one has a
> continuation where Dee goes to England on a program to recover from
> his ordeal. Dee cried a lot and repressed memories came back from
the
> kidnapping. OH my. A 9/11 fic where Ryo screams all over the place
> looking for Dee. At one point he starts digging furiously thru a
pile
> of rubble whiles Commissioner Rose and JJ just look upon him with
> pity. Her recent installment is about RYO paralyzed. Oh Jesus, it's
> just too much.
>
> Ryo spurts random Japanese in his speech, and no matter who is
> paralyzed it's always RYO ANGST, Dee calls Ryo "baby" and everyone
> sounds like the same person: THE AUTHOR. Choice phrases like, "oh
> boy," when it is put into everyone's mouth at some point in the
fic,
> makes me think this is just too gratuitous for the author. I'm not
so
> much annoyed as I am glowering in the mischievousness of it
> all. ::vampire teeth::


The alluded authoress snaps back and brings all on in the ML...

It is one thing for someone to flame my stories, but when that
person's attacks are made personal and contain FALSE accusations
concerning my family they have stepped OVER the line! Not only is
this attack disgusting and tactless but it is damaging to my family
especially my children! ee_ness has no right to do this to me or my
family, I don't deserve this sort of personal attack either.

I have never spoken or commented on anything from this person yet
she/he has deemed themselves an expert in the field of fanfiction
writing and is trying to ruin people who post within the FAKE fandom
as well as other fandoms. She/he has nailed my "Mirage of Blaze"
story as well as many of my Fake fics and maybe the one nailing my
Saiyuki fic as well. I am certain that she/he had sent others out to
flame my fics as well.

In the past week and a half I have received well over 2 dozen nasty
comments virtually saying the same things so I know it has to be one
person leading the pack. I am also beginning to wonder if this person
may be the one responsible for many of you having fics deleted and/or
accounts deleted from FFN. Think about that one will ya? I may not be
the only one this person is targeting.

I have tried to ignore the comments, even deleting some of the nasty
ones but they come back and repost. I have now resorted to deleting
the attacked stories. Why? Because ee_ness (Scarecrow) has taken it
to a personal level and as a mother, my first concern is to my
children's safety, which this person is putting in danger! If the
only way to protect my children is to quit writing, delete my fics
and take down my website, then that is what I will do. That's
something I wish to God that I didn't have to do and it breaks my
heart to even consider it but unless this stops, I see no other
choice.

What disgusts me even more is the fact that this sort of thing is
being allowed by a list I once considered to be made up of members
with taste and tact. If the moderator is reading this I hope she will
see the harm that ee_ness has caused me, but mainly the harm she is
causing my family. If the moderator feels it's best that I leave this
list, I will... But I am pleading with you as well, do not allow
people like ee_ness to taint this ML like she/he has been doing!

I do want to apologize pubically to Swordy and to Irish since they
have also been inadvertantly drawn into this whole mess. As you can
see, ee_ness flames the characters that Irish created and used
in "Time for Healing" and then she/he mixes up my fics with Swordy's
and trashes what I have always considered to be some of the finest
writing in the Fake Fandom. Please forgive me, both of you... I never
meant for any of this to happen. It saddens me immensely to know I
may have to give up something I enjoy just to protect those I love
and those whom I have come to admire and respect.

My biggest concern are my children and the fact that ee_ness could be
putting them in danger! Many of you are aware of the fact that I have
separated from my husband (and no he didn't leave for the reason
she/he claims.) and a divorce is upcoming.... The future of my
children could be in trouble should my husband choose to fight for
custody of them. Now either ee_ness didn't consider this or she/he
just didn't care, but my husband could use all this against me and
take my kids away from me! Deciding that my involvement in posting on
the net is putting their safety in harm's way. They are my world
dammit and if I should lose them then I have nothing else to live
for!!!


People take sides with the attacked one, but not everyone does...

I think EVERYBODY is being childish at this point. The person who brought up
the whole "Ryo speaking random Japanese" thing had a decent-enough point that
she was trying to make (it is a tad overused) but she could have handled
delivering her complaint a lot better.

The people on the other side of the argument aren't doing much better by tossing
names and threatening bans.

And this talk about kicking people out of the fandom is in especially poor
taste. Whomever this person is with the two kids who writes the long stories
has every right to. If people didn't write stories, there'd be none to read.
So, she's kept saying she wants to leave the fandom. It's called "Cry for
attention". Kicking her out just gives her that attention. You have to just
let people like that work out their difficulties for themselves.

And the people who write the stories where Ryo speaks random Japanese also have
every right to do so just as much as everyone else, regardless of how others
feel about it. Fanfiction is all about taking whatever liberties a person wants
to, whether it be crossovers, Alternate Universes, or what have you. That's why
it's called FAN fiction.

Man... I remember when this list was so much friendlier....


This happened a month ago... and it's STILL going in the ML. I'm really WTF'ed.



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Wank on!
[info]canisetlupus
2004-09-08 05:47 pm UTC (link)
I was there, too. (*wide-eyed shock*).

But there are some details missing. You see, Wildefyre (the author who was "viciously attacked") has never been able to accept constructive criticism. Whenever someone left a "Ryo woudn't behave like that" or a "Everyone's talking the same way, without showing any personality in their dialogues", she would:

a) Claim she was being flamed (even when she wasn't)
b) Threaten to never write again, of course in public
c) Wait for her fangirls to send e-mails (in public, also) begging her not to stop writing, given that she was the BEST Fake Fanfiction writer.
d) Promise that she would write again, this time ignoring flamers (along with a "let them write better than me" challenge included)...

Until, of course, the next time she would recieve any review different from "U RUL!!11!!". While I belonged to the list, that happenned at least three or four times, with the same sequence of events each and every time.

And it's not the only wank that's happening on the ML. Cyndane's presence is a WHOLE different story, and it's happenning exactly at the same time. Pity that it's a closed ML, it's one of those trainwrecks that deserve to be watched while eating popcorn.

Splooge!

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Re: Wank on!
[info]ladyofviolets
2004-09-08 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for clearing some doubts that I had about the wank itself. I didn't comment about Cyndane because it was a complete hassle to search for EACH post, and because my head was hurting from trying to get what was happening at this rate.

* edits the post*

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Re: Wank on! - [info]canisetlupus, 2004-09-08 07:59 pm UTC

[info]robinterrae
2004-09-08 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Ooo.. FAKE wank!

I remember the days when barely anyone knew about FAKE. Ahhh... memories.

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[info]kijikun
2004-09-08 08:56 pm UTC (link)
I just read the manga and stay the hell out of the fandom.

Hmm wonder if Kizuna is going to be picked up one day, oh that wank THAT fandom would cause.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-08 09:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wakuchan, 2004-09-08 10:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-09-09 12:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-09-09 05:22 am UTC

[info]smo
2004-09-08 05:55 pm UTC (link)
See, this is why I'm a fan of shows, but shy away from being within fandoms. "Kicked out" of a fandom? What does that mean - you're not allowed to like the show anymore? Bitch, please.

And furthermore:

consoles within the uke.

What does that mean? I'm picturing a control panel within Ryo's head with buttons reading "cry," "whine," "get hyper," "turn down seme's advances," etc.

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[info]shun_mcdaddy
2004-09-08 06:04 pm UTC (link)
"Kicked out" of a fandom? What does that mean - you're not allowed to like the show anymore? Bitch, please.

Yeah,like their going to actually come to your house "FBI style" and take you away from your family if you have anything to do with the fandom.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-09-08 06:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-09-09 12:38 am UTC

[info]iczer6
2004-09-08 08:57 pm UTC (link)
In this case I feel that this author leaving the fandom could only help to improve it.

See I've read the fic mentioned and it is a smouldering, steaming pile of crap that manages to be insulting and condesending to just about everyone everywhere.

However bringing up personal matters when bitching about fic is a major no-no, and Wildfyre's writing is bad enough that I think there's enough ammo in her fics to last a lifetime.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-09-08 09:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-09-09 10:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]canisetlupus, 2004-09-09 05:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-09-10 08:39 am UTC

[info]frau_eva
2005-03-12 02:51 am UTC (link)
What does that mean? I'm picturing a control panel within Ryo's head with buttons reading "cry," "whine," "get hyper," "turn down seme's advances," etc.

That would be the best Sims game EVER.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-03-12 08:29 am UTC

[info]toxictattoo
2004-09-08 06:01 pm UTC (link)
FAKE is one of the nastiest fandoms I've ever witnessed in my entire life. Gundam Wing with all their pairing wars and cliques was never this bad.

As much as I would love to write in this fandom, with the self proclaimed policeman buzzing about making it her solemn duty to run people out of town/out of a fandom, I have no desire to even dip my toe into that.

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[info]smo
2004-09-08 06:19 pm UTC (link)
No, toxie! Don't let them discourage you!

*gloms onto your leg*

Please write Fake fic, toxie? Pleasepleaseplease?

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[info]mistressrenet
2004-09-08 06:24 pm UTC (link)
But the world needs FAKE fic that doesn't suck so baaaad. Just tell us about it. Promise I won't tell. Pinky promise!

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[info]canisetlupus
2004-09-08 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Please, we need GOOD FAKE fanfiction. There isn't enough.
Please.
Please.
Please.
please

BTW, I've always loved your icon.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-09-08 10:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2004-09-08 10:30 pm UTC

[info]htrismegistus
2004-09-09 10:49 am UTC (link)
Oh, it's horrid, isn't it? FAKE is the only fandom I've ever actively stopped participating in.

That being said, you write FAKE fanfic? I ask because I notice your grammar and spelling do not leave anything to be desired. So, link please? I don't have money, but for readable FAKEfic I'd do a strip dance or tie you down, whichever you fancy more.

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(no subject) - [info]toxictattoo, 2004-09-09 05:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-09-10 08:33 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-09 07:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-09-10 08:41 am UTC

[info]shinigami_co
2004-09-08 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Reading that makes me glad I never went out of my way to find FAKE fanfics, even though I dearly love the manga. I mean, geez...the visual I got from Ryo digging through WTC rubble with Rose and JJ sorta standing off to the side, shaking their heads sadly...yeah, I don't need a fic of that, thanks.

And, this might be just because I'm not a mother...but how does someone flaming your fics put your children in danger? I kind of understand about if she's really going through a divorce, how her husband can possibly bring up TEH HAWT GAY SEXR0RZ fics the mother writes in her spare time, but how can someone flaming it online put the children in jeopardy? I is confuzzled.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-09 02:55 am UTC (link)
I think it was the claim that she was "trying to make her son gay."

I can actually see that being damaging in court depending on what part of the country you live in and how the other lawyers used it. I mean it kinda makes the mother sound like a complete wierdo whose trying to force her fantasies onto her son, which is never good in a custody battle.

- Ani_bester

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-09 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heyoka, 2004-09-09 07:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pfeffermuse, 2004-09-09 07:34 am UTC

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[info]bakashinobi
2004-09-08 06:32 pm UTC (link)
Ah, I was hoping somebody would find this kerfluffle and submit it. Wankalicious, ain't it?

I was on the list for the whole thing too, and there are one or two things that still continue to bug me. (I should probably post this to the list itself, but frankly, I'm not up for the flames that would be licking around my feet if I did, so bear with me, mmkay?)

1) Time and time again, you hear this from the cult of Wildefyre: "If you don't actually speak Japanese, you don't know whether we're using fangirl Japanese or not, so you have no right to criticize." Hel-lo...I know fangirls, my dears. Have Ryo utter a simple declarative sentence and I would never critique your Japanese grammar, that being outside my realm of knowledge. BUT, if he limits himself to random words from a select list ("gomen", "arigatou," "baka," "koibito"...you all know the list, I'm sure) then it's fangirl Japanese, and it sucks donkey balls, no matter if you have a divine right to do it or not!

2) After weeks of wrangling, the ML came to the conclusion that Ryo (an American with one Japanese parent) might possibly (accent on the MIGHT) have learned the language at home. Okay, I grudgingly accept that...but still, that leaves out the sad-but-true fact that these gals have other characters, who are not Japanese in the least, spouting the same fangirl words and phrases. Why? Because the creator did, that's why (ooh, and that brings up another point. Can we really be too harsh with the fans for their fanfic crimes when Sanami Matoh, the creator-goddess, does the same damn thing?! I was reading through vol. 1, many moons ago, and came to a panel where J.J. Adams (as purely whitebread, Caucasian, Euro-American a character as you're ever going to find) comes bursting through the door yelling "Senpai!!" My head was glued to my desk for days after that...)

Okay, I'll shut up now, as I don't want to be a one-woman fandom_wank on my own. I agree with you, FAKE fandom is kray-zee...but I'll rest easier knowing that f_w is on the job if any further wankery occurs.



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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-08 07:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-09-09 05:32 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-09-11 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-09-09 11:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-09-08 09:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2004-09-08 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bakashinobi, 2004-09-09 10:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bakashinobi, 2004-09-09 05:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2004-09-08 10:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bakashinobi, 2004-09-09 11:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2004-09-09 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bakashinobi, 2004-09-10 12:18 am UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2004-09-08 07:04 pm UTC (link)
@_@ Dear fucking lord.

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[info]phosfate
2004-09-08 08:33 pm UTC (link)
I love FAKE to bits, but criticizing FAKE FF for badness or implausibility is like criticizing Trek FF for having starships and transporters.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-09-08 08:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2004-09-08 08:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-09-08 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-09-08 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2004-09-08 09:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-09-08 09:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2004-09-08 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dikaios, 2004-09-10 02:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]solar_type_star, 2005-02-12 04:15 pm UTC

[info]selene_avis
2004-09-08 10:22 pm UTC (link)
Fanfiction is all about taking whatever liberties a person wants to, whether it be crossovers, Alternate Universes, or what have you. That's why it's called FAN fiction.

Have I ever mentioned that that is one of my least favorite arguments?

As I do not know what the blazes is going on with the argument and what is the truth, I will comment no more.

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(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-09-08 11:05 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2004-09-09 10:59 am UTC
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[info]sarajayechan
2004-09-09 12:30 am UTC (link)
Okay, now that I can come up with something more coherent:

Cyndane has the right to hate Wildefyre and her fics, but not to "kick her out of the fandom". Fandom isn't some sort of organization/school/business/clubhouse/whatever-anyone who likes the series is perfectly allowed to come and hang out if they want to.

However, from what I've read about Wildefyre, she needs to leave the fandom for the sake of her own mental health-she obviously has issues if she gets this worked up over fandom.

So Cyndane shouldn't be kicking Wildefyre out of the fandom. She should be telling her to get professional help.

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(no subject) - [info]canisetlupus, 2004-09-09 03:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-09-09 03:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bakashinobi, 2004-09-09 11:25 am UTC

[info]croik
2004-09-09 04:24 am UTC (link)
OMG I know that fic! Falstaff was going to MST it...or did she actually do it? It's been so long...

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-09-09 04:58 am UTC
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[info]solelyfictional
2004-09-09 10:35 am UTC (link)
In the past week and a half I have received well over 2 dozen nasty comments virtually saying the same things so I know it has to be one person leading the pack.

Alternatively, it could be there's some really bad problem that a lot of people are picking up on. ::eyeroll:: Okay, the time frame makes it slightly lewss likely, but seriously, when you get a lot of compliants from different people on the same subject, it's probably worht looking into!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-09 02:24 pm UTC

[info]adora_spintriae
2004-09-09 10:46 am UTC (link)
This is like the mafia, it just replaces whacking with wanking. "My fanbitches will take on your fanbitches any day of the week!".

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(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2004-09-10 06:14 am UTC

[info]sir_hellsing
2004-09-11 01:48 pm UTC (link)
What a... nice fandom. Heh, heh. Happy I'm not a FAKE fan

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-16 12:18 pm UTC (link)
I am so glad I left that list. >_>

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