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Black of Twilight (blackoftwilight) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-09-18 00:03:00
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Anons opinions don't count even when I agree with them
This started out as a simple rant in Fanficrants about fangirls reviewing the poster's fic in their "OMG TEH MANE CHARA RULZ!!11!" way. All is hunky-dory until an anonymous chimes in with a reasonable opinion.

"and yet some writers would give their left arm for any kind of review at all, just as long as someone was reading them.

sad. you're bitching that you were getting responses to your fic. they may not be this contructive criticism you desire, but they at least responded. some authors, even on ff.net, don't get that much."

Not very wanky, huh? Well it does start here when commentors couldn't resist poking the assumed troll (just because it's an anon and rather snarky). "Your point would have more merit if it weren't anonymous and unsigned. Hard to get feedback hiding behind that computer, eh?"
Now what kind of law did that quote invoke if there is one for it?

Anon responds by calling them hypocrites, twice. All because the 'troll-pokers' accused the anon of the very thing it disagreed with. The twisted logic confusesamuses me.

So far, it ends with the most ironic response from the supposed troll poking side. "Yes, but I'm not going to take someone's words seriously if they're not willing to stand up for them. If you don't believe what you're saying, why should I?

As I said, it's small. So, what's the verdict?
Edited post to clarify the funny.

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[info]iczer6
2004-09-18 10:14 am UTC (link)
It wasn't till I got into to fanfiction that I discovered that there are people out there who can't stand it when you tell that you like what they wrote.

As others have stated before you [general you] are *not* OWED concrit. If you want it you'll have to find it on your own.

Believe it or not readers do have lives and can't spend hours and hours critiquing every fic they read.

Not to mention many of them may have been flamed for leaving concrit before, and are reluctant to do so now.

I think the anon had a point, you have people liking your story and telling you so, that's a lot more then some authors get.

Get over yourself and accept the praise for what it is.

If you want crit get a vicious beta, but don't bitch because the readers aren't being your unpaid editors.


Icz

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blackoftwilight
2004-09-18 10:56 am UTC (link)
*blinks* While the original poster's rant sounds like wank in of itself, wank hasn't happened as of the time I posted this mini-wank. I'll rephrase my post to show the funny that I tried to point out.

Btw, I agree with you completely.

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[info]misswindy
2004-09-18 06:52 pm UTC (link)
As usual, I agree with everything you said.

Sometimes I have actually put in the author's notes: "If you can, please give me your thoughts on how the characterization/ experiment in style/ tone/ plot/ whatever turned out because I'd like to get feedback about that" or even "Please let me know what you did and/or did not like about this story" and lo and behold, not only did I get quite a lot more concrit for that story, but people STILL ignored it and left the "OMGSOGOODMOREMORESOHOTOMG!!!!11!@12!" variety of feedback. And it's all well and good and I'd be an asshole for complaining about it.

It's like, dude, people are taking time out of their day to tell you they liked your story. Bitching that it's not worded in exactly the way you personally prefer reeks mightily of a grand sense of fannish entitlement.

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[info]mistressrenet
2004-09-18 09:34 pm UTC (link)
And sometimes, I just like the story and don't have much to say about it and figure the author would rather hear I liked it than nothing at all. Obviously, I am not always right about this.

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[info]ramlatch
2004-09-18 11:18 am UTC (link)
"Your point would have more merit if it weren't anonymous and unsigned. Hard to get feedback hiding behind that computer, eh?"

I'm starting to find myself grinding my teeth every time someone's come-back to an anonymous is the equivilent of that. I'm seeing it in far too many places, when in itself that isn't the point, it's what the anon actually says in most cases. *GRINDGRINDGRIND*

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[info]solelyfictional
2004-09-18 11:23 am UTC (link)
I thought it was, for once, vaguely relevant here, since the anon's post sounds bitter enough to suggest that s/he personally wants feedback, and no one can give it if they don't know who it is.

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[info]ramlatch
2004-09-18 11:50 am UTC (link)
Oh I agree, it's just that I see so many other cases where everything is ignored and the people scream that the anon is a coward for being anon and that's all that happens. Reminds me of politics really...

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[info]misswindy
2004-09-18 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I didn't think the anon sounded bitter at all, personally. I think she or he was just making a factual observation. The original poster was being wanky and ungrateful, and lots of people would kill for any kind of feedback.

I mean, I don't really lack for feedback, generally speaking, but I still felt the way the anon did, because I know a lot of really good writers who are way better than I am who get hardly any fb, so when I see wankers like the OP on FFR whining about how the kind of fb they get isn't GOOD ENOUGH for them, I feel just like the anon does. *shrug*

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[info]iczer6
2004-09-18 08:31 pm UTC (link)
so when I see wankers like the OP on FFR whining about how the kind of fb they get isn't GOOD ENOUGH for them, I feel just like the anon does. *shrug*

Oh word, and much icon love.

It makes me want to hit things when I see people complaining because someone had the gall to like their fic and tell them so.

I mean to me it just reeks of arrogance, as if they think they're fic is sooo good that we should all fall to our in wonder because of it. And if we aren't, we must be horrid fangirls or plebes.

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[info]solelyfictional
2004-09-18 08:58 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps I thought it sounded bitter because I was more on hte side of the OP. I'm not much one for obsessing over a single character and reading everything about that character, no matter how good or bad, so I don't understand other people who do. Getting reviews like "OMG this wld b so much better if character x was in it more" tells you nothing except they like character x. Doesn't even tell you if they like the fic, for heavens sake.

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[info]virago
2004-09-18 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Huh? Nobody was defending the reviews. It's pretty obvious that those reviews aren't all that useful. But it's ridiculous to get offended by them and bitch people out because you obviously "deserve" long, involved critique.

The OP's side wasn't "Those reviews are lame," the OP's side was "I should never ever get those reviews because You Owe Me Concrit."

Which, IMO, is bullshit.

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[info]misswindy
2004-09-18 11:10 pm UTC (link)
WORD.

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[info]solelyfictional
2004-09-19 01:17 am UTC (link)
I read it differently, but then, I mostly skimmed it and got overinvolved in the mad commenting. God knows there's enough of that kind of rant at fanficrants. At least it wasn't too "OMG I deserve deserve proper concrit and people should tell me why I'm so great so great so very great"

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[info]virago
2004-09-19 07:11 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I don't fault them for wanting concrit and wanting to improve. It's the sense of entitlement that gets me.

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[info]iczer6
2004-09-20 04:54 am UTC (link)
But she *posted* a story on the *internet*!

No one's ever done anything like that before so naturally we should all fall to our knees in worship.

[Go anon who points out that if all your getting is fangirly reviews maybe, just maybe the problems with your writing and not the fans.]


Icz

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[info]misswindy
2004-09-18 11:22 pm UTC (link)
I seriously get a lot of "OMG GREAT!" and "U RULE THATS AWESOME!" kinds of reviews and I don't care. To me there's a vast difference between "useless" and "deeply offensive." But obviously not everyone feels that way.

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[info]solelyfictional
2004-09-19 01:14 am UTC (link)
I don't think the OP was complaining about compliments (be surprised if s/he was!), just vaguely irrelevant reviews. The kind you find yourself responding to with "That's nice" and a pat on the head. Not offended, just surprised people bothered at all.

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[info]iczer6
2004-09-19 12:03 am UTC (link)
And this has what to do with what?

She wrote a fic about a popular character and is complaining because people aren't writing her seventeen page reviews about her use of similes.

It has nothing to do with whether the reviews she got are useful, only that one shouldn't get bent out of shape because someone told them they liked they're fic.


Icz

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[info]solelyfictional
2004-09-19 01:04 am UTC (link)
Fair enough.

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blackoftwilight
2004-09-18 11:56 am UTC (link)
Exactly. And something else I didn't point out before: The entire time they argued, the anon had read the comments and responded to nearly all of them. Why hound someone you agree with to give you their contact info. when they don't want you to have it?

User with lj: OMG you're right, I wanna be your stalker.
Anon: no.
User with lj: Then you are a horrid troll. Take that!
Anon: hypocrite.
User with lj: No! You are the hypocrite!

It truely boggles me.

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[info]panthea
2004-09-18 06:48 pm UTC (link)
"You are the one who is the ball-licker hypocrite!"

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-19 04:09 pm UTC (link)
I think I love you.

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[info]serai
2004-09-18 09:03 pm UTC (link)
My very first encounter with internet fanfic was a couple of years ago, when I went looking for LOTR stories. I found a long (very long, overly long, I now realize) story that at the time, I thought very good. It had an NC-17 slash chapter in it, which I thought was really tasty. However, the writer introduced it with a lengthy hem-and-haw about how she thought it would offend people, and she didn't know why she wrote it, and blah blah blah, including a couple of comments which I don't really remember now, but which at the time I thought were rather insulting as far as the portrayed homosexual activity went. (Christ, woman, if you think gay sex is wrong, why'd you write it?)

So, since she had specifically asked for constructive reviews, I left a polite one praising the fic, and letting her know that I thought that chapter very well written and sexy. But I also commented that I didn't think she ought to tar herself with such an ambivalent brush, and that some of her remarks might be taken the wrong way. What do you think happened?

Uh huh. She went ballistic, accused me of hating her fic (when I'd just gotten done telling her how good I thought it was), and proclaimed to everyone that she was "under attack". Then she very bravely deleted my comment, so that no one could read the actual review she was complaining about, only her response. I thought that bizaare in the extreme (remember, this was my first encounter with this kind of superegoed fanfic bullshit). So I responded in a puzzled way, asking her what the problem was with what I'd written. She did it again, whining and shrieking that she was being "stalked", while at the same time deleting my comment.

What I couldn'r figure out was why she didn't just delete my review and pretend it had never happened? I now know there are people who crave this sort of bullshit, and will complain no matter what they get. Give them strokes and they'll complain that they don't get concrit. Give them concrit and they'll complain that they're under siege. You can't win sometimes.

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[info]system
2004-09-18 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Excuse me...

schizotime, you need to update your email addres in your JF profile. The one you currently have in your profile is invalid. That means all your JF comments are bouncing to the admin's email address. If we get much more of these bounces, we'll have to suspend your account until you can send us a valid email address for updating your profile.

Thank you,
Robin (Admin, the second)

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oops
blackoftwilight
2004-09-19 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Sorry about that. As of now, I've updated my email address. Thanks for letting me know.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-20 02:23 am UTC (link)
Seriously don't get that.

It's not like someone saying "Geez, great story, but it needs more cock" or something.

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