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	maryavatar 2003-05-23 01:58 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, that's a wank and a half. And to think.. I saw it start in RL. Personally all the hugging was annoying the shit out of me, and I wasn't even the one getting sweaty perverts draped all over. Want to hug him? Buy a damn photo ticket like the rest of us did, and stop wasting the Q&A time. Argh! I'm now contributing to the damn wank as well. Someone shoot me. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rivier 2003-05-23 04:55 am UTC (link)
	Call that a wank? Bollocks. I've had more satisfying wanks with a wet dishcloth. It'll take a hell of a bigger stick than this shower of jessies have got to scratch my itch. Wank me harder next time, ye minions of dribble! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	embitca 2003-05-23 07:10 am UTC (link)
	You were the back-up wank. Alax was first on the mound. Try harder next time ;) Honestly, I agreed with much of what you said in your post, but it was still some mighty tasty kerfuffle in your comments. Heh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rivier 2003-05-23 10:24 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I am, I am. Nothing quite like waking up dyspeptic at 7 a.m. to really get the juices flowing. Kerfuffles. They're the crunchy cooties of fandom_wank (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	embitca 2003-05-23 01:23 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. I just read your latest post. My...you really got your bitch on ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	singe 2003-05-23 07:38 am UTC (link)
	Totally OT but how are you using 'Jessies' there? What is it slang for? I'm asking 'cuz it's my real name and I'm masochistically curious. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rivier 2003-05-23 10:30 am UTC (link)
	Then feel free to beat yourself until your g-spot wibbles with this. However, for the really serious student of English like wot her is spoken in the mother country, I recommend this - a truly aristocratic Web resource. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: singe 2003-05-23 09:23 pm UTC (link)
	A feeble, easily scared person, a softy. Derog. By John Wayne's hairy saddlebags! That sucks! But I love those links. Thanks, Rivier! (Reply to this)(Parent)

misswindy
2003-05-23 02:04 am UTC (link)

Man, I've never been so relieved to not give a flying fuck about Michael Rosenbaum.

Besides, he and that male model guy? Theyaresodoingit.

I do want to commend Lexual for the amazing self-restraint she showed with T-zilla. To quote a friend regarding that exchange, "I'da been all, 'First of all, Sarah, go fuck yourself. Second of all-- no, there IS no second of all. Just go fuck yourself."

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lulinda
2003-05-23 02:41 am UTC (link)

I have not watched a minute of Smallville but my word, this show produces some choice wank.

From the ever reliable Sarah T:

The question is: do you think it will ultimately be good for *your* fannish experience if you contribute to a culture that unfortunately leads stupid people to do things that can readily be predicted to cause the actor to stop doing the things we all find so charming?

*BOGGLE*

Is this like the fandom version of "Do you still beat your wife?"

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	tintin 2003-05-23 02:49 am UTC (link)
	Every damn day. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

lulinda
2003-05-23 02:53 am UTC (link)

I am severely disappointed in HP fandom. I know everyone has been going on about how bad things have gotten, but really, we have much to work up to. We don't even have a BNF that can go head to head with Sarah T. Don't care what anyone says about CC, she is a mere piker compared to Sarah T. Nor do we even have an MsA. So sad. *sniff*

Oh! Idea! Sarah T. and MsA mud-wrestling! I bet we could make millions!

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	tintin 2003-05-23 02:57 am UTC (link)
	THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-05-23 02:58 am UTC (link)
	ONE BNF TO RULE THEM ALL! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ingrid 2003-05-23 03:35 am UTC (link)
	All shall despise her and yet STILL DESPAIR! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snacky 2003-05-23 03:37 am UTC (link)
	It would be the Ultimate Steel Cage WankFest! Sarah T. and MsA: head to head, toe to toe, wank to wank! We could get it on pay-per-view and all of Fandom would go wild. Henry Jenkins would have to write a whole new book, just to cover it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaya 2003-05-23 11:59 pm UTC (link)
	chanting Two bnfs enter! One bnf leaves! Two bnfs enter! One bnf leaves! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	starkeymonster 2003-05-23 04:57 am UTC (link)
	Do we bind the BNF in the dark or does she bind us? (Reply to this)(Parent)

ivyblossom
2003-05-23 05:27 am UTC (link)

I <3333 CC.

She never flames anyone ever. Or makes pronouncements. Or tells people how to be a fan. She just writes her fics and entertains me.

<33333333333333

As is well known, no one can mention Cassandra Claire on fandom wank without me jumping in to express my undying love. It's like pavlov and those damn dogs.

*drools*

But anyway, I agree. Our BNFs aren't up to the standards of SV BNFs somehow. It's sad.

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	misswindy 2003-05-23 09:38 am UTC (link)
	You know, I can't think of any truly evil bitches in the HP fandom. What is up with that? peers disapprovingly down nose at the lazy overnice playjerizurs (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	katemonkey 2003-05-23 01:11 pm UTC (link)
	Oh give me some time.... ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	queerasjohn 2003-05-23 10:57 pm UTC (link)
	Ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lulinda 2003-05-24 09:06 am UTC (link)
	It is a real shame indeed. We in HP fandom are missing out! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wizzard 2003-05-23 07:13 am UTC (link)
	Thanks to sagra's post below, I now get your point and can give a hearty word! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	embitca 2003-05-23 07:18 am UTC (link)
	The woman is incapable of opening her mouth and not having something pompous flow out of it. Fuck, man, did I spell pompous right? Grrggh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	I'm so confused purplegeek 2003-05-23 02:47 am UTC (link)
	So, let me see if I understand this. The person going by Alax bought him private ice time, but she's allowed because she's some sort of secret (yeah, okay, let's just tell everyone then it's not so much a secret) infiltrator into fan society to try to keep the rabid MR fans in line. Or something like that. Am I getting this? I'm really quite confused. purplegeek (Reply to this)(Thread)

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lasayla
2003-05-24 06:46 pm UTC (link)

FWIW, I didn't read the ice-time thing as the wanky part.

The chick called in a favor to get MR some private time at her local ice rink. She doesn't tell anybody about it. Then MR tells the world anyway, so she feels annoyed for having kept it sekrit unnecessarily and also because she's worried about MR being stalked or whatever.

Of course, I'm not in Smallville fandom and I don't know any of these people, so quite possibly there's backstory here providing the wank.

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wizzard
2003-05-23 04:29 am UTC (link)

Look how hard he works for his fans. 10 months of nothing but shooting mostly shit WB dialog and doing interview after interview around the country (on the way to which, by some freaky coincidence, the airline loses his luggage for every damn flight and he has to continuously wear the same clothing). And during the other 8 weeks of the year, what does he do? Shoot mostly shit movies with mostly shit dialog and miniscule mostly shit roles in the hopes that someone somewhere will either buy up his screenplay or give him a role that finally showcases the acting he *can* do well if given the chance.

Michael Rosenbaum has sacrificed so much for you people. He makes shitty movies for you. Isn't that enough? When will you harpies be satisfied?!

He does sound like he puts a lot into promoting the show (and himself) but I'm not so sure fans should be on their knees in gratitude because he's in Sorority Boys.

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	darkrose 2003-05-23 04:42 am UTC (link)
	Not only that, but he was in Sweet November as Jason Isaacs' gay transvestite lover! He did look better in drag than Jason did, but that really isn't saying much. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wizzard 2003-05-23 05:52 am UTC (link)
	Well, if they make out or something I guess he really is doing a service to his fans by appearing in piece o' crap movies. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	misswindy 2003-05-23 06:02 am UTC (link)
	Alas, no making out occurs between JI and MR. However, MR does apparently kiss Keanu in a deleted scene that ended up on the cutting room floor. Life is so unfair. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	emrinalexander 2003-05-23 07:22 am UTC (link)
	No, really - he did actually kiss Jason Isaacs, so life is actually fair. I can die now. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	misswindy 2003-05-23 09:27 am UTC (link)
	he did actually kiss Jason Isaacs, so life is actually fair. Oh! Man. Don't make me want to watch that horrible movie again. I've repressed most of it from memory for a reason, you know. And for the record, I think MR makes for one fugly woman. YMMV. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	oxydosic 2003-05-23 05:20 pm UTC (link)
	10 months of nothing but shooting mostly shit WB dialog Um..if the dialog(ue) sucks so much, why do they watch it then? Oh, silly me. To ogle MR of course!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

iczer6
2003-05-23 11:31 pm UTC (link)

>> Shoot mostly shit movies with mostly shit dialog and miniscule mostly shit roles in the hopes that someone somewhere will either buy up his screenplay or give him a role that finally showcases the acting he *can* do well if given the chance.<<

That's why he does it. For the fans. It's not because the producers drove a dumptruck full of cash up to his house, or because he wants to further his career.

It's for the fans.

Icz

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	Unrelated Question iczer6 2003-05-23 07:01 am UTC (link)
	I've seen this phrase pop up before on FW and I'm a little confused. The 'When did you stop beating your wife' phrase? What does it mean? Not to sound like an idiot, anyone want to elaborate? Icz (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Unrelated Question sagralisse 2003-05-23 07:10 am UTC (link)
	Someone asks you "when did you stop beating your wife?" (assuming you have a wife.) What do you answer? If you say "never" then doesn't that mean that you still beat her? It's a question that presumes guilt or makes an accusation. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Unrelated Question iczer6 2003-05-23 09:05 am UTC (link)
	>>It's a question that presumes guilt or makes an accusation.>> Gotcha. Thanks. So it's a question that no matter how you answer you'll end up screwing yourself. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Unrelated Question sagralisse 2003-05-23 06:34 pm UTC (link)
	Not ever answer is bad. "Go fuck yourself bitch" would work okay. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-05-23 07:10 am UTC (link)
	Yes, theatlien, anytime you squee over Michael Rosenbaum, you are personally encouraging a stalker. Is that something like the kittens picture? Because it's just as funny and about as logical. (Reply to this)

	msmanna 2003-05-23 11:45 am UTC (link)
	Um...who is Michael Rosenbaum? (Okay, I could go look him up on the IMDB, but I'm lazy.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	embitca 2003-05-23 01:26 pm UTC (link)
	He plays Lex Luthor on Smallville. The hilarious thing about this whole wankfest is he is what I like to call a "fanwhore", i.e. a celebrity who embraces and encourages fannish adoration in order to feed his ego. He's much like James Marsters. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	msmanna 2003-05-23 02:04 pm UTC (link)
	Aha. Thanks. he is what I like to call a "fanwhore", i.e. a celebrity who embraces and encourages fannish adoration in order to feed his ego. It will all end in tears. (She predicts from her gloomy vantage point as a Blakes 7 fan.) And -- {licks your icon} (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mireille 2003-05-24 08:48 am UTC (link)
	Yes, dear god, let us all run away from the fanwhore actors. (Reply to this)(Parent)

oxydosic
2003-05-23 06:14 pm UTC (link)

As you all know, I'm secretly a hired crusader who's infiltrated the fandom for the sole purpose of protecting his privacy (despite his own stupidity), so you'll forgive me if I rant a little here about that very thing.

Uh..holy fuck. Delusion. Uh. Yeah. That's just scary.

It's funny she's being so 'protective' of him, when she seems to think the show is kind of crappy and that MR himself is only sometimes a decent actor. So, if the show sucks so much, why do people watch it? Is it for camp value? Never seen the show.

BIG THANKS to those of you who admire him (and other actors) quietly from a distance and take advantage of the times that he designates for fans without trying to insinuate yourself into his private life in one sneaky way or another.

Uh yeah...unlike her, who says she's his personal crusader and tries to intrude into his life in order to protect him. Hypocrite much?

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