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Adastra ([info]fictionbya) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-09-20 18:24:00


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Current mood:Fantastico
Entry tags:creator wank, interrogating from the wrong perspective, meme origins, person: anne rice

To quote rhiannonhero from LJ: "Anne Rice wouldn't last a day in fandom, yo."
Apparently Anne Rice is upset about some of the reviewers at amazon.com for they have strained her Dickensean principles to the max!

(Scroll about halfway down. You are looking for reviewer "Anne Obrien Rice" and a paragraph that never ends.)

ETA: You will now have to click on "Next" under the customer reviews to locate the "Anne Obrien Rice" review. Just click and scroll down. It's hard to miss.

Also, iconage has happened at [info]fwank_icons.


Son of ETA: Amazon.com seems to have deleted the Anne Obrien Rice review (and the crop of reviews that came after it). Fortunately, some things which are posted on the internet have a way of being preserved forever.

From the Author to the Some of the Negative Voices Here, September 6, 2004
Seldom do I really answer those who criticize my work. In fact, the entire development of my career has been fueled by my ability to ignore denigrating and trivializing criticism as I realize my dreams and my goals. However there is something compelling about Amazon's willingness to publish just about anything, and the sheer outrageous stupidity of many things you've said here that actually touches my proletarian and Democratic soul. Also I use and enjoy Amazon and I do read the reviews of other people's books in many fields. In sum, I believe in what happens here. And so, I speak. First off, let me say that this is addressed only to some of you, who have posted outrageously negative comments here, and not to all. You are interrogating this text from the wrong perspective. Indeed, you aren't even reading it. You are projecting your own limitations on it. And you are giving a whole new meaning to the words "wide readership." And you have strained my Dickensean principles to the max. I'm justifiably proud of being read by intellectual giants and waitresses in trailer parks,in fact, I love it, but who in the world are you? Now to the book. Allow me to point out: nowhere in this text are you told that this is the last of the chronicles, nowhere are you promised curtain calls or a finale, nowhere are you told there will be a wrap-up of all the earlier material. The text tells you exactly what to expect. And it warns you specifically that if you did not enjoy Memnoch the Devil, you may not enjoy this book. This book is by and about a hero whom many of you have already rejected. And he tells you that you are likely to reject him again. And this book is most certainly written -- every word of it -- by me. If and when I can't write a book on my own, you'll know about it. And no, I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and organized and polished myself. I fought a great battle to achieve a status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on me, and I will never relinquish that status. For me, novel writing is a virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art. Back to the novel itself: the character who tells the tale is my Lestat. I was with him more closely than I have ever been in this novel; his voice was as powerful for me as I've ever heard it. I experienced break through after break through as I walked with him, moved with him, saw through his eyes. What I ask of Lestat, Lestat unfailingly gives. For me, three hunting scenes, two which take place in hotels -- the lone woman waiting for the hit man, the slaughter at the pimp's party -- and the late night foray into the slums --stand with any similar scenes in all of the chronicles. They can be read aloud without a single hitch. Every word is in perfect place. The short chapter in which Lestat describes his love for Rowan Mayfair was for me a totally realized poem. There are other such scenes in this book. You don't get all this? Fine. But I experienced an intimacy with the character in those scenes that shattered all prior restraints, and when one is writing one does have to continuously and courageously fight a destructive tendency to inhibition and restraint. Getting really close to the subject matter is the achievement of only great art. Now, if it doesn't appeal to you, fine. You don't enjoy it? Read somebody else. But your stupid arrogant assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander. And you have used this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies. I'll never challenge your democratic freedom to do so, and yes, I'm answering you, but for what it's worth, be assured of the utter contempt I feel for you, especially those of you who post anonymously (and perhaps repeatedly?) and how glad I am that this book is the last one in a series that has invited your hateful and ugly responses. Now, to return to the narrative in question: Lestat's wanting to be a saint is a vision larded through and through with his characteristic vanity. It connects perfectly with his earlier ambitions to be an actor in Paris, a rock star in the modern age. If you can't see that, you aren't reading my work. In his conversation with the Pope he makes observations on the times which are in continuity with his observations on the late twentieth century in The Vampire Lestat, and in continuity with Marius' observations in that book and later in Queen of the Damned. The state of the world has always been an important theme in the chronicles. Lestat's comments matter. Every word he speaks is part of the achievement of this book. That Lestat renounced this saintly ambition within a matter of pages is plain enough for you to see. That he reverts to his old self is obvious, and that he intends to complete the tale of Blackwood Farm is also quite clear. There are many other themes and patterns in this work that I might mention -- the interplay between St.Juan Diago and Lestat, the invisible creature who doesn't "exist" in the eyes of the world is a case in point. There is also the theme of the snare of Blackwood Farm, the place where a human existence becomes so beguiling that Lestat relinquishes his power as if to a spell. The entire relationship between Lestat and Uncle Julien is carefully worked out. But I leave it to readers to discover how this complex and intricate novel establishes itself within a unique, if not unrivalled series of book. There are things to be said. And there is pleasure to be had. And readers will say wonderful things about Blood Canticle and they already are. There are readers out there and plenty of them who cherish the individuality of each of the chronicles which you so flippantly condemn. They can and do talk circles around you. And I am warmed by their response. Their letters, the papers they write in school, our face to face exchanges on the road -- these things sustain me when I read the utter trash that you post. But I feel I have said enough. If this reaches one reader who is curious about my work and shocked by the ugly reviews here, I've served my goals. And Yo, you dude, the slang police! Lestat talks like I do. He always has and he always will. You really wouldn't much like being around either one of us. And you don't have to be. If any of you want to say anything about all this by all means Email me at Anneobrienrice@mac.com. And if you want your money back for the book, send it to 1239 First Street, New Orleans, La, 70130. I'm not a coward about my real name or where I live. And yes, the Chronicles are no more! Thank God!




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(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 12:34 am UTC (link)
Did Amazon.com just delete Rice's asshattery review?

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[info]anriko
2004-09-24 12:36 am UTC (link)
Yeah, and all the ones that came after it.

Bah to them!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 09:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 09:51 am UTC
J. Watson in Dallas, TX - [info]lasha, 2004-09-24 08:24 pm UTC
Re: J. Watson in Dallas, TX - [info]darkvalkyrie, 2004-09-25 12:43 am UTC
Re: J. Watson in Dallas, TX - [info]lasha, 2004-09-25 07:20 am UTC
More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank
jessicareeves
2004-09-24 02:48 am UTC (link)
From the same poster as before (again you dont have to be amember to read it)

It's starts here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Darklings-we-listen/message/8993

But this is interesting too:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Darklings-we-listen/message/8988
then here along with its replies :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Darklings-we-listen/message/9006

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Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 03:04 am UTC (link)
"You're waging war with one of the most powerful writers in America."


I...there are no words. I mean, there are, and they're very much along the lines of "What," and "fuck," and maybe "the" as well. Because writers? Are not Mafioso. They cannot CRUSH YOU LIKE A BUG. They don't, by and large, have burly men named Vito at their beck and call.


Or maybe I'm wrong. In which case, I'm going back to work on my novel, dammit.


--funwithrage

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Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank - [info]24601, 2004-09-25 12:38 am UTC
Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank - (Anonymous), 2005-08-18 09:06 am UTC
Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 04:35 am UTC (link)
'Group has exceeded its download limit.'

Anyone want to copy them here so we can all read?

new mouse

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Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank - jessicareeves, 2004-09-24 04:40 am UTC
Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank - jessicareeves, 2004-09-24 04:42 am UTC
Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank - jessicareeves, 2004-09-24 04:44 am UTC
In reply to Third link - jessicareeves, 2004-09-24 04:44 am UTC
Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 04:59 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one that finds the purple background really obnoxious? Like, really obnoxious.

-This Mouse

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Re: More Darklings-we-listen Anne Wank - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 05:16 am UTC
And now there is a comic of it!
[info]anriko
2004-09-24 03:52 am UTC (link)
http://somethingpositive.net/

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Re: And now there is a comic of it!
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 04:58 am UTC (link)
There are no words for this aside from it being The Awesome.

- Famira Damaris
famira on LJ

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New fun!
[info]arielchan
2004-09-24 05:29 am UTC (link)
A confirmation of Anne's identity right on her website!

Umm, Anne, there are a LOT of people impersonating Lestat on the web, and have been for years. Maybe the end of the chronicles has resulted in an intense for of boredom?

~*Ariel*~

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Re: New fun!
[info]darkwitch666
2004-09-24 06:21 am UTC (link)
*sporfle unto death*

*sleeps in the rowboat, just in case the great spooge flood of September 2004 shows up overnight*

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Re: New fun!
[info]mrbimble
2004-09-24 08:44 am UTC (link)
I have posted my Email there and I have answered some of the people who have written to me. The response has been very good.

Wow. Anne obviously has a different interpretation of "very good" than I do - unless she really *enjoys* being told she is pretentious, over-rated and batshit insane.

Way to try to spin it, though, Anne! Points for the attempt!

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Re: New fun! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 08:57 am UTC
Re: New fun!
[info]silverthoughts
2004-09-24 01:59 pm UTC (link)
Maybe it's a good thing that Anne will sue all those Lestat people. Maybe now I won't get crazy people asking me if I'm Louis or where to find him.

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Re: New fun! - [info]arielchan, 2004-09-24 05:47 pm UTC
Re: New fun! - [info]vixen, 2004-09-24 08:59 pm UTC
Re: New fun! - [info]silverthoughts, 2004-09-25 04:15 am UTC
Re: New fun! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 08:03 am UTC
Re: New fun! - [info]arielchan, 2004-09-26 09:26 pm UTC
Re: New fun!
[info]littlest_lurker
2004-09-24 11:00 pm UTC (link)
Got to wonder what the "bad effect" that the Lestat impersonator is having on people anyway.

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Re: New fun! - [info]silverthoughts, 2004-09-25 04:15 am UTC
Anne's Wuthering Heights Review
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 11:50 pm UTC (link)
I decided to check through Anne's other reviews on Amazon to see if I could sniff out any more wanky/anti-social behavior. Must say I was a little disappointed, but I found this comment in her review of Wuthering Heights, and it made me laugh: "I'm a writer, but not a natural reader." Well, that certainly explains a lot!

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-25 09:29 am UTC (link)
Rice will turn 63 next month, and the death of her husband Stan while she was writing Blood Canticle seems to have hit her hard. She had been married to him for 41 years and she said he was her model for Lestat.

Wait... I thought she was Lestat? Or she channeled him? So now she channels Lestat, her dead husband, who is her?

*brainsplodes*

-Manawolf

p.s. Man, I've done some wankworthy things in my time, but I been served.

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SOCKPUPPETMEAT!!
(Anonymous)
2004-09-25 02:56 pm UTC (link)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/ALAM2VCXJ3ABW/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-5320456-5180050?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I'll bet 100 internet bucks this it Rice herself.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-25 03:25 pm UTC (link)
What's now amusing is how all of Rice's fans are coming out of the woodworks to get down and wanky with it.

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*insert massive eyeroll here*
[info]sitt_isis
2004-09-25 05:34 pm UTC (link)
I am investigating these latest impersonations because people have advised me that the Lestat impersonator is having a bad effect on people. This I can not allow.

Uh huh.... Are you going to stop this by throwing your old editors at them?

Maybe in her next book Anne can make herself/Lestat/whoever-she-is-next into someone who has a life.

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Voices that talk and talk towards, nothing
(Anonymous)
2004-09-25 06:01 pm UTC (link)
All talent waxes and wanes.

Few if any publish consistently good and well rounded books throughout their career.

It would be wrong to think Mrs.Rice one of those exceptional few.
Writers have a habit of veering into the formulaic, the shoddy and the weak throughout the ups and downs of their career.

So why should there be surprise Mrs.Rice has done it again. Any who read the 'Queen of the Damned' would be aware she showed signs of a talent and voice that would be erratic, to say the least, but then 'The Mummy' was released. Proving like any reasonably talent author, she could still pull something out of the bag.

I just have to wonder if all the responses in and around this topic (those in bashing/those in support) are so voluminous due to the fact of Mrs.Rice's fame. I mean, it's only natural for moths to gather and flutter around a flame.

And hey;

This is just like a National Enquirer letters section for literary types. Where those trailer types and other people with something missing in their lives, mince about the comings and goings, the how comes and what ifs of celebrity.

So she wrote another woeful book, granted I haven't read it and I don't intend to - Memnoch, with it's turgid pages of something I can find dribbled out on fanfic pages, was nearly enough for me.

It's nice, however, we've reached a point where an author can round angrily on her detractors. Even if it was poorly constructed and base. There has got to some sort of appreciation for the fact we have that, that it's not locked away to private correspondence anymore.

I'd have better to say about the critics on Amazon and on here, if the quality of comments was just a little higher. Grade school humour, slang and limp comments bare little constructive value. Maybe if people took the time to write up a proper scathing review - it might be possible to sway public opinion on an author whose weak pulp turn out is as high as her actual turn out of good works. I, for one, would like a heavy dose of reality taken with all Rice's books and not the near vehement sycophancy you find around the internet. Possibly seeing the author taken down a notch.

I'm just surprised neither her critics (both good and bad) and the author herself, didn't roll out the cock jokes sooner. Such is/was their level of any relevant maturity.

We see fanatical fans in the music and movie world all the time; those who doggedly defend Mrs.Rice are no different; why should the literary world be any different, anyway. The goths, the vamp-heads, the alt-heads and the vaguely normal people who revere her...-shrugs- "In the kingdom of the blind..."

It's all good to clench your eyes at every new release and chant "it's good, it's great." just as it is to do the opposite. Clarity is never a given when it comes to star worship.

Still, I can't help but feel (and repeat myself) that if a clinical eye was taken to this; the unholy arrogance spawned by this might have to wake up. Surgically, take the books apart, for good or for bad. Give her something to work with.

I, for one, am sick of the vaguely patronising air I get from her books, but, can't help wondering if;
of late - in her work, if it's not just the grasped ramblings of an old woman in the twilight of her career and whether her response was the same, bidden by a few glasses of wine, fired off without thought in a rage that so many pampered stars get.

(Only posted anon because it keeps telling me, my journal doesn't exist)

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Re: Voices that talk and talk towards, nothing - [info]livingadream, 2004-09-25 06:22 pm UTC
Re: Voices that talk and talk towards, nothing - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 06:25 pm UTC
lj confusion - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 06:27 pm UTC
Re: lj confusion - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 06:30 pm UTC
Re: Voices that talk and talk towards, nothing - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 06:27 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-09-26 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Sorry if this is a little late, but if you still have the email, do you mind fwding it to me at hithluin@gmail.com ?

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Pffft! Hwahahahaha~! XD
(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 04:07 am UTC (link)
Her ego's big enough to float her into the stratosphere. I'm sorry, but Lestat gives off the image of a French poodle with a bad hair day (which is everyday).

And if she's so good as she so puts it in this humongous text block of shit that gave me a headache halfway through (but I finished it anyway because I'm a masochist), shouldn't she just shut up and let people have their way dissecting and vivisecting her work?

It appears that she is histrionic, as she seeks only good reviews and gets all crass when you happen to hesitate about whether her book had impact on you or not.

Miss Rice, if this will make you feel better, my brother felt the imapct of your books. Vittorio the Vampire gave him a lump the size of a grapefruit on the back of his head.

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Pffft! Hwahahahaha~! XD
(Anonymous)
2004-09-27 04:09 am UTC (link)
Her ego's big enough to float her into the stratosphere. I'm sorry, but Lestat gives off the image of a French poodle with a bad hair day (which is everyday).

And if she's so good as she so puts it in this humongous text block of shit that gave me a headache halfway through (but I finished it anyway because I'm a masochist), shouldn't she just shut up and let people have their way dissecting and vivisecting her work?

It appears that she is histrionic, as she seeks only good reviews and gets all crass when you happen to hesitate about whether her book had impact on you or not.

Miss Rice, if this will make you feel better, my brother felt the imapct of your books. Vittorio the Vampire gave him a lump the size of a grapefruit on the back of his head.

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Shes in the news again folks!!!!
jessicareeves
2004-09-27 09:36 pm UTC (link)
Anne Rice Amazon wank makes the news AGAIN!


God I love it.

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Hah!
jessicareeves
2004-09-27 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Anne's Rant is Back up @ Amazon!!

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Damnit!! - jessicareeves, 2004-09-27 10:29 pm UTC
Re: Damnit!! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-28 12:32 am UTC
Re: Damnit!! - jessicareeves, 2004-09-28 03:58 am UTC
Really? - [info]sitt_isis, 2004-09-28 01:03 am UTC

[info]anriko
2004-09-28 09:46 am UTC (link)
I wish I was joking here, but I'm not.

I was just at Ebay, and for shits and giggles, I put in Anne Rice.

Oh My God.

Lots of her books were there. And A lot of the auctions had NO bids.

But the funniest. Some of the auctions for her books....a penny! No lie!

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