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Adastra ([info]fictionbya) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-09-20 18:24:00


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Current mood:Fantastico
Entry tags:creator wank, interrogating from the wrong perspective, meme origins, person: anne rice

To quote rhiannonhero from LJ: "Anne Rice wouldn't last a day in fandom, yo."
Apparently Anne Rice is upset about some of the reviewers at amazon.com for they have strained her Dickensean principles to the max!

(Scroll about halfway down. You are looking for reviewer "Anne Obrien Rice" and a paragraph that never ends.)

ETA: You will now have to click on "Next" under the customer reviews to locate the "Anne Obrien Rice" review. Just click and scroll down. It's hard to miss.

Also, iconage has happened at [info]fwank_icons.


Son of ETA: Amazon.com seems to have deleted the Anne Obrien Rice review (and the crop of reviews that came after it). Fortunately, some things which are posted on the internet have a way of being preserved forever.

From the Author to the Some of the Negative Voices Here, September 6, 2004
Seldom do I really answer those who criticize my work. In fact, the entire development of my career has been fueled by my ability to ignore denigrating and trivializing criticism as I realize my dreams and my goals. However there is something compelling about Amazon's willingness to publish just about anything, and the sheer outrageous stupidity of many things you've said here that actually touches my proletarian and Democratic soul. Also I use and enjoy Amazon and I do read the reviews of other people's books in many fields. In sum, I believe in what happens here. And so, I speak. First off, let me say that this is addressed only to some of you, who have posted outrageously negative comments here, and not to all. You are interrogating this text from the wrong perspective. Indeed, you aren't even reading it. You are projecting your own limitations on it. And you are giving a whole new meaning to the words "wide readership." And you have strained my Dickensean principles to the max. I'm justifiably proud of being read by intellectual giants and waitresses in trailer parks,in fact, I love it, but who in the world are you? Now to the book. Allow me to point out: nowhere in this text are you told that this is the last of the chronicles, nowhere are you promised curtain calls or a finale, nowhere are you told there will be a wrap-up of all the earlier material. The text tells you exactly what to expect. And it warns you specifically that if you did not enjoy Memnoch the Devil, you may not enjoy this book. This book is by and about a hero whom many of you have already rejected. And he tells you that you are likely to reject him again. And this book is most certainly written -- every word of it -- by me. If and when I can't write a book on my own, you'll know about it. And no, I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and organized and polished myself. I fought a great battle to achieve a status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on me, and I will never relinquish that status. For me, novel writing is a virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art. Back to the novel itself: the character who tells the tale is my Lestat. I was with him more closely than I have ever been in this novel; his voice was as powerful for me as I've ever heard it. I experienced break through after break through as I walked with him, moved with him, saw through his eyes. What I ask of Lestat, Lestat unfailingly gives. For me, three hunting scenes, two which take place in hotels -- the lone woman waiting for the hit man, the slaughter at the pimp's party -- and the late night foray into the slums --stand with any similar scenes in all of the chronicles. They can be read aloud without a single hitch. Every word is in perfect place. The short chapter in which Lestat describes his love for Rowan Mayfair was for me a totally realized poem. There are other such scenes in this book. You don't get all this? Fine. But I experienced an intimacy with the character in those scenes that shattered all prior restraints, and when one is writing one does have to continuously and courageously fight a destructive tendency to inhibition and restraint. Getting really close to the subject matter is the achievement of only great art. Now, if it doesn't appeal to you, fine. You don't enjoy it? Read somebody else. But your stupid arrogant assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander. And you have used this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies. I'll never challenge your democratic freedom to do so, and yes, I'm answering you, but for what it's worth, be assured of the utter contempt I feel for you, especially those of you who post anonymously (and perhaps repeatedly?) and how glad I am that this book is the last one in a series that has invited your hateful and ugly responses. Now, to return to the narrative in question: Lestat's wanting to be a saint is a vision larded through and through with his characteristic vanity. It connects perfectly with his earlier ambitions to be an actor in Paris, a rock star in the modern age. If you can't see that, you aren't reading my work. In his conversation with the Pope he makes observations on the times which are in continuity with his observations on the late twentieth century in The Vampire Lestat, and in continuity with Marius' observations in that book and later in Queen of the Damned. The state of the world has always been an important theme in the chronicles. Lestat's comments matter. Every word he speaks is part of the achievement of this book. That Lestat renounced this saintly ambition within a matter of pages is plain enough for you to see. That he reverts to his old self is obvious, and that he intends to complete the tale of Blackwood Farm is also quite clear. There are many other themes and patterns in this work that I might mention -- the interplay between St.Juan Diago and Lestat, the invisible creature who doesn't "exist" in the eyes of the world is a case in point. There is also the theme of the snare of Blackwood Farm, the place where a human existence becomes so beguiling that Lestat relinquishes his power as if to a spell. The entire relationship between Lestat and Uncle Julien is carefully worked out. But I leave it to readers to discover how this complex and intricate novel establishes itself within a unique, if not unrivalled series of book. There are things to be said. And there is pleasure to be had. And readers will say wonderful things about Blood Canticle and they already are. There are readers out there and plenty of them who cherish the individuality of each of the chronicles which you so flippantly condemn. They can and do talk circles around you. And I am warmed by their response. Their letters, the papers they write in school, our face to face exchanges on the road -- these things sustain me when I read the utter trash that you post. But I feel I have said enough. If this reaches one reader who is curious about my work and shocked by the ugly reviews here, I've served my goals. And Yo, you dude, the slang police! Lestat talks like I do. He always has and he always will. You really wouldn't much like being around either one of us. And you don't have to be. If any of you want to say anything about all this by all means Email me at Anneobrienrice@mac.com. And if you want your money back for the book, send it to 1239 First Street, New Orleans, La, 70130. I'm not a coward about my real name or where I live. And yes, the Chronicles are no more! Thank God!



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(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 12:22 am UTC (link)
It looks like Amazon has erased not only her review but all the ones that followed in its wake ... except one which must have been posted right after they deleted.

Maybe she threatened to sue them?

By the way guys, do I need a code to get a JournalFen account?

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[info]anriko
2004-09-24 12:37 am UTC (link)
Damn!

Why did they do that!?

Guess they couldn't handle the publicity.

>.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 12:51 am UTC (link)
Because the dimwits from here, FW, who posted in droves after here were not posting legitimate reviews that helped Amazon customers decide whether the book was worth their money or not. I personally was going through and reporting each and every review from a FWanker and obvious person who never even read the book as "inappropriate" and recommended Amazon remove them to avoid the issue. I'm sure I was not the only one to report the reviews as inappropriate.


I love FW but out spooge belongs here in these comments, not in Amazon's reviews section.

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[info]anriko
2004-09-24 12:56 am UTC (link)
I personally was going through and reporting each and every review from a FWanker and obvious person who never even read the book as "inappropriate" and recommended Amazon remove them to avoid the issue.

Take a mouse to kill good wank. Thank, thanks a lot. Much appricaiated.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 01:28 am UTC (link)
Uh, FW is for *WATCHING* Teh Wank. Not participating in teh wank.

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[info]anriko
2004-09-24 01:30 am UTC (link)
Well, it seemed this person DID participate in teh wank though, buy reporting the wank to Amazon.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 01:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 01:42 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 01:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-09-24 04:45 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 07:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-09-24 07:45 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 09:23 am UTC
(no subject) - allen, 2004-09-24 12:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 12:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]24601, 2004-09-25 12:09 am UTC
(no subject) - allen, 2004-09-25 06:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2004-09-24 04:05 am UTC
Word! - [info]darkvalkyrie, 2004-09-24 05:20 am UTC
Re: Word! - [info]naienko, 2004-09-24 05:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-09-24 11:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamtoday, 2004-09-24 11:59 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 01:20 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 05:34 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 01:31 am UTC (link)
And you are dictating to us why? I'm sorry, who are you again?

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(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 01:48 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 01:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:16 am UTC

[info]lurker32
2004-09-24 06:00 am UTC (link)
Quick, [info]smo! The conch shell!

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 12:57 am UTC (link)
You really should get out more.

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[info]anriko
2004-09-24 12:57 am UTC (link)
I love FW

Right, and you showed just how much you loved us by reporting us to Amazon.

I'd hate to see what you'd do if you HATED FW

**stabbitystabstab**

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[info]snacky
2004-09-24 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Settle down, Beavis.

reporting us to Amazon

What? I missed where the mouse said s/he was reporting f_w as a whole - just that she reported individual reviews as inappropriate. S/he certainly can do that - it has nothing to do with behavior on fandom_wank.

Besides that, it wouldn't be a problem if people weren't trolling.



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(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 01:11 am UTC (link)
Look, dumbass, if you had read the Toronto Star article, you would have seen that Amazon was quoted as saying they were not going to delete the wank, since nobody had complained. They were just as amused as everybody else, apparently.

Self-righteous prick.

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[info]anriko
2004-09-24 01:12 am UTC (link)
It seems one bad apple had to spoil it for everyone.

We need a 'mouse' trap for that certain one I think.

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[info]snacky
2004-09-24 05:18 pm UTC (link)
Spoil what? Going over to Amazon to troll? Have you read the user info?

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[info]anriko
2004-09-24 01:13 am UTC (link)
BTW, STFU!!!!

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[info]darkvalkyrie
2004-09-24 01:13 am UTC (link)
Um. I'll grant you there was some trolling going on. And while I'm sure we were all in sore need of you to dictate our morality and you just had our best interests at heart and blahblahfishcakes, you might want to remember this in the future:

If you're going to do something which could very possibly equal those posts on the Wank-O-Meter, you might not want to come over to F_W and brag about it.

Just sayin'.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-25 06:06 am UTC (link)
What you said...

Christ, it's Fandom-wank.... Wank.

-- Manawolf

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Censorship
[info]lasha
2004-09-24 01:15 am UTC (link)
I find it sad that someone who claims to "love" FW would report anyone to TPTB and get them shitcanned. But then that's me.

And I had been reading all the reviews on Amazon. Yes, some of them were vile crap and only there to stir up trouble. Those I were clicking "no" as helpful, while the ones that were actually giving reviews about the book I was clicking "yes" as helpful.

But because of Fandom_Wank, I was directed to Amazon.com and after years of not reading Rice, had decided to give her another try, however after reading through 250 reviews of Blood Canticle, I've decided to pass on that Anne Rice book.

Amazon's recent decision to censor people's opinions because of people like yourself (if that is the case and not Anne's lawyers) is not only unConstitutional it is bad business in my estimation. The three Anne Rice books I bought today because my interest was stirred because of this wank (no Blood Canticle was not among them), well, I think I'll just go and cancel them ASAP. After I post this, I'll call Amazon and tell them I do not appreciate censorship in any form and pull my order.

Any thanks for the heads up, little mouse. Amazon has had my business for the last 8 years or so, I guess it's time to move to Barnes and Noble.

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Re: Censorship
[info]anriko
2004-09-24 01:18 am UTC (link)
I'm also actually thiking of deleting my account I have there. If they are censoring us because one little mouse whined about the review content, then they don't need my business either.

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Re: Censorship - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 01:20 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 01:35 am UTC
Re: Censorship - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 01:43 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 01:50 am UTC
Re: Censorship - [info]lasha, 2004-09-24 02:03 am UTC
Re: Censorship - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:04 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 07:43 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-26 01:20 am UTC
Re: Censorship
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 01:33 am UTC (link)
Dude, like you mean everyone from here who wrote a wanky comment on the review section and never even read the book was better? You mean that every other FWanker that read those wanky comments (not legitimate reviews) and posted that "this review was helpful!" was better? Fuck you. I have every right to click "No, this review was not helpful." and then to further click "Report as Inappropriate" because, bloody hell, it IS inappropriate and it does not belong there in Amazon's review section. Anne Rice's review was not one I complained about. I nfact, I say it is actually helpful to ay of her actual fans looking at the book. Someone else reported that to get it booted. Do you think on FWankers read those things? No, plenty of Amazon customers read them and certainly saw that it was full of asshatery so they also likely clicked to basically say "WTF?"

I have every fucking right to use Amazon's rating system to express my opinions that FWankers should have remained here and not flooded their comments section. And Amazon has every fucking right to determine which submissions are helpful and worthy of staying there fore potential customers to read. Get over yourself.

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Re: Censorship - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 01:42 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 01:51 am UTC
Re: Censorship - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:00 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 07:47 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 06:25 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 02:03 am UTC
Re: Censorship - [info]lasha, 2004-09-24 02:12 am UTC
Re: Censorship - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lasha, 2004-09-24 02:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lasha, 2004-09-24 02:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2004-09-24 05:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lokifin, 2004-09-24 07:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-09-25 01:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anriko, 2004-09-25 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2004-09-24 05:51 pm UTC
Relax. - [info]snacky, 2004-09-24 07:25 pm UTC
Re: Censorship - tempestuous, 2004-09-24 04:40 am UTC
Re: Censorship
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 02:20 am UTC (link)
Amazon's recent decision to censor people's opinions because of people like yourself (if that is the case and not Anne's lawyers) is not only unConstitutional...

No, it isn't. The First Amendment applies only to restrictions on free speech coming from Congress/the government, not from a privately-owned and run website like Amazon.com.

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Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 03:01 am UTC
Re: Censorship - [info]lasha, 2004-09-24 05:10 am UTC
Re: Censorship - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 06:16 am UTC
It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay!
(Anonymous)
2004-09-24 02:05 am UTC (link)
Ms. Rice, we are soo honored to have you here!

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Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay!
[info]anriko
2004-09-24 02:07 am UTC (link)
Either her or a die hard fan.

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Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay!
[info]lasha
2004-09-24 02:14 am UTC (link)
It's Anne or she's "channeling" Lestat.

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Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 02:21 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:22 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 02:26 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:29 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 02:32 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:33 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 02:35 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 02:49 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 02:57 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 03:11 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]krazycat, 2004-09-24 05:21 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 08:32 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 07:50 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 08:33 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 09:31 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 09:40 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 10:45 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]shoiryu, 2004-09-24 02:43 pm UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]feloniousfeline, 2004-09-26 08:20 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 09:54 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-24 10:43 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]anriko, 2004-09-24 07:31 pm UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - (Anonymous), 2004-09-25 01:25 am UTC
Re: It's Anne! The anonymouse is Anne! She came! Yay! - [info]kijikun, 2004-09-24 11:19 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-09-25 03:18 am UTC (link)
Huh. Why does everyone assume that someone who's trying to keep Amazon from being flooded with useless "reviews" is a fan of AR? Amazon is theoretically an online bookshop with reader reviews, not a forum for venting.
Hell, if I had the time I'd do the same, and I'm certainly no fan of hers. I burst out laughing at the start of the Beauty trilogy.

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