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	mouseybrown 2004-09-29 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	I see they've now decided to enable comments. Anyone want to place bets on how long that lasts for? I'll give good odds on 24 hours or less ... I had such high hopes for fandom_scruples. Now they're just a sad little troll who needs to get back to their bridge. Quickly. (Reply to this)(Thread)

mariagoner
2004-09-29 06:34 pm UTC (link)

I had such high hopes for fandom_scruples. Now they're just a sad little troll who needs to get back to their bridge. Quickly.

It's so sad to see the once potentially high and wanky fall, ain't it? To see what could have been a fandom wide pestilence of prudery wither into a nuisance that issues instantly scorned announcements every couple of weeks just hurts me somewhere deep inside. So much promise, squandered in such a short amount of time.

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	mouseybrown 2004-09-29 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	nods and sniffles It's like losing a small, wanky little child. In a way. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mouseybrown 2004-10-05 01:40 pm UTC (link)
	nods Absolutely. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mistressrenet 2004-09-29 05:20 pm UTC (link)
	That horse is so dead. I went over there and wanked anyway. (Reply to this)

	redjackcash 2004-09-29 05:25 pm UTC (link)
	Man, it's not like conservatives own the whole nation or anything. This would be like a white man complaining that there aren't enough white people in his neighborhood, and he doesn't feel welcome. WELCOME TO THE MINORITY! Feels great, doesn't it? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	wankprophet 2004-09-29 05:45 pm UTC (link)
	::rolls eyes:: Yeah, I'm a liberal, but... ::rolls eyes:: (Reply to this)(Parent)

notguilty
2004-09-30 12:46 am UTC (link)

I'm reading a great book called "What's the Matter With Kansas?" which, among other things, examines how conservatives managed to gain control of pretty much every aspect of public life and yet still make it look like they are repressed and put-upon little people, constantly harangued by the big liberal Man. It's amazing how America will swallow utter inconsistencies whole.

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	(Anonymous) 2004-09-30 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. Well I read a book which, among other things, examines how liberals managed to gain control of pretty much every aspect of public life and yet still make it look like they are repressed and put-upon little people, constantly harangued by the big conservative Man. It's amazing how America will swallow utter inconsistencies whole. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lavenderfrost 2004-09-30 10:48 pm UTC (link)
	And this book's title? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-09-30 11:12 pm UTC (link)
	I'd be interested the title of that book too! - (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/info/)phoenix (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	isntitironic 2004-10-01 02:57 am UTC (link)
	The real phoenix? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-10-01 04:28 pm UTC (link)
	'fraid so! And to the person above: I really would be interested in reading that book - I wasn't taking the piss - so if you could find the title, that'd be great. - (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/info/)phoenix (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	notguilty 2004-10-02 04:09 am UTC (link)
	Okay! (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2004-10-02 08:46 am UTC (link)

If you don't feel like leaving the title of the book here because of potential idiotic responses, you can leave it in my LJ - anon if you like. For my LJ link click below on my username. All non-friend posts are screened (because of past trolling by so-called-liberals) and I promise I won't unscreen it.

- (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/info/)phoenix (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/)

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	panthea 2004-09-30 04:19 am UTC (link)
	I've said it before, I'll say it again: Trade ya. Not you you, of course. Them you. Y'know, the other definition of "you". The one that's... not. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sarracenia 2004-09-30 06:34 am UTC (link)
	...Actually, that reminds me. I always used to be slightly weirded out whenever I went to someplace where whites were the majority. All my schools and the occasional job were entirely Asian/Indian/Arab/Hispanic. Took until college til I finally got used to there being other blondes around me. /random reminiscing (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

eljuno
2004-10-03 12:29 am UTC (link)

I used to...and still kinda do...have the same response to anywhere where Christians and especially Protestants are the majority. In most of the schools I went to, 'What religion are you?' meant 'Is your family Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist or Orthodox and where do you go to Shul?' And if you weren't Jewish, you were Catholic. The same goes for the place I've worked since I was 16.

(This has also lead to me being proclaimed the semi-official Most Jewish Goy Ever.)

/Even more randomness, and late!

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	llama_treats 2004-09-29 05:29 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, please. He's not even trying anymore. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ari_o 2004-09-29 06:18 pm UTC (link)
	yeah. am still creeped out the s/he said it saw (stalked) us all at PoA in nyc. hope that was a big lie. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ashenmote 2004-09-29 05:50 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, yes, let us all run to the troll journal and leave comments there, that would be so cool. We could even start a petition or something. falls asleep again (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ashenmote 2004-09-29 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	Poconell: I wonder if we could sign a petition, asking the LJ admins to tell us who this shithead is. I think I'm going to hide in the basement now. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-09-30 04:32 am UTC (link)
	Someone should send her that note about LJ abuse ~~not giving a rat's ass~~ not knowing from which IPs people log in. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sarajayechan 2004-09-29 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	Green_green: "Who are you lot to decide what morality is?" WORD. Really. If fandom is soooooo mean to their poor little repressed souls, why don't they just LEAVE? Get out and do something else than sit there trying to make everyone see things THEIR way? Ooops, that'd be LOGICAL. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Sugar! khym_chanur 2004-09-30 03:47 am UTC (link)
	Waffooooo!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	here4tehwank 2004-09-29 07:27 pm UTC (link)
	All I can say is the mind reels. (Reply to this)

	phosfate 2004-09-29 10:53 pm UTC (link)
	The political climate of the fandom community, i.e. the isolation of all those with conservative values, is just a big example of why the hypocrisy is at it's worse. You want isolating, Sparky? Try being someone who knows how to use possessives. Now that's isolating! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	apoplexia 2004-09-30 11:54 am UTC (link)
	clings (Reply to this)(Parent)

	embyquinn 2004-09-30 01:38 am UTC (link)
	I don't know who this freakjob is. Nor do I care. Next. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	firebird5 2004-09-30 03:17 am UTC (link)
	Oh, oh, much love for the little icon! <3 (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kookaburra 2004-09-30 02:51 am UTC (link)
	Uggh. This is like quite a few of my fellow students (I attend a Christian college). They go on and on about being opressed as a Christian in America. I always tell them to go and be a Christian in China or the Middle East, and then come back and see if you feel so "oppressed". You don't know how good we have it here. /personal wank that had to be let out (Reply to this)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2004-09-30 12:48 pm UTC (link)

Many religious groups (particularly fundamentalist groups) deliberately encourage paranoia and a perception of oppression in its members. I'm sure they believe it (after all, who likes to be laughed at?) but it primarily serves to strengthen the bonds and group-identity of said members.

I'd worry less about their apparent lack of sensitivity to real oppression and more about *who* is telling them they are so oppressed.

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kookaburra
2004-09-30 07:32 pm UTC (link)

I think it's Pat Robertson. He's another one to whom I want to say, "If you're so oppressed, how come your show is available almost everywhere on one of the major networks?"

Actually, he'd probably say that he was oppressed because the chairs they sit in aren't comfy enough, and the gov't doesn't provide him with bodyguard-types who will look out for gays and muslims and block his view so his eyes aren't offended or something.

(I'm not a fan, can you tell?)

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(Anonymous)
2004-10-02 09:43 am UTC (link)

Many religious groups (particularly fundamentalist groups) deliberately encourage paranoia and a perception of oppression in its members.

Many? Encourage paranoia? That's what I like to call: TOTAL HORSES**T!

Oppression? For religious groups? In America, today? Yeah, it's becoming increasingly prevalent. It makes me a bit sad for what was once the "land of the free and the home of the brave". Now it's becoming the 'land of the liberals and f u if you dare to be a stick-in-the-mud religious type'.

Don't you know The Truth is supposed to change according to our self-indulgent whims! Absolute truth? What are you, a crackhead?!

- (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/info/)phoenix (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/)

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(Anonymous)
2004-10-03 05:36 pm UTC (link)

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what point you are making here.

Are you saying that you are unaware of any tendency by religious groups to use this technique? If so, I would invite you to some research into the doctrine of scientology, any of the death-pact cults, Neo-Nazi movements, etc., or simply take a tour of all the religious groups in your area and mark down how many sermons include phrases such as "the forces of x are arrayed against us" or "many people will try to stop you from y".

Are you saying that muslim fundamentalist groups are currently being harassed in the states? I imagine they are. Occasionally they really are after you. *shrug*.

Are you saying that it's 'not cool' to be religious in the states? I could accept that that is true, but that is not oppression. Oppression has to involve acts of 'excessive or unjust' power by people acting as agents of a government. If the majority disagrees with you, then you can expect to suffer some social consequences for deviant behaviour, but it doesn't become oppression until you are physically or legally prevent from doing so.

Absolute truth

This is actually a good example of it. If everyone in the states was forced to 'acknowledge' the 'absolute truth' that if they fail to worship the spirits of their ancestors then they will cause a famine and not worshiping was punishable by law then THAT would be oppression.

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(Anonymous)
2004-10-03 06:38 pm UTC (link)

No, I'm saying most religions don't encourage paranoia. Or, if you like, the mainstream religions most people belong to don't encourage it.

Yeah, 'oppression' is probably a bit strong, I admit, but I think you get the point.

I disagree with your point about absolute truth. I'm just saying there is such a thing. And I never said anything about forcing people to believe anything.

- (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/info/)phoenix (http://www.livejournal.com/users/phoenix_fw/)

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(Anonymous)
2004-10-04 05:12 pm UTC (link)

Or, if you like, the mainstream religions most people belong to don't encourage it.

Most don't, I agree. That's why I said 'many' and not 'most'.

However, I believe that a significant number of fundamentalist Muslim groups do, and they are arguably mainstream. I wouldn't normally think of fundamentalist Christian groups as mainstream, but from what I can gather it might qualify as such in the states.

I'm just saying there is such a thing.

The oppression comes in deciding what that absolute truth *is*. I think that it is 'absolutely true' that vaccination of babies keeps a thousand-fold more children alive and healthy than any possible side effects could injure, and therefore I have no problem with government mandated vaccinations.

Other people believe that it is 'absolutely true' that homosexuality / other random sexual choice makes someone unfit to be a parent, and they would have no problem with the government removing children from their care.

I can think of very little that isn't contested by *someone*. 'The earth is round' and 'humans need to eat to live' don't make the cut, so I'm not sure what's left. 'Not breathing is bad for your health'?

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	naienko 2004-10-01 01:09 am UTC (link)
	I think the thing that amuses me the most about fandom_scruples is these two things: "If you were friended, we're highlighting that you've had the courage not to succumb to the 'popular' trends that have led to this fandom being infected with indecent and irresponsible fanfic." -AND- "Friends: People 1: fandom_scruples" I think that just says it all right there. (Reply to this)

	redwarrior 2004-10-01 11:06 pm UTC (link)
	Please... My fandom scruples aren't your fandom scruples. So kindly STFU. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2004-10-04 05:09 pm UTC (link)
	http://www.livejournal.com/users/fandom_scruples/6179.html WTF does this mean?? (Reply to this)