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Sister Psychosis ([info]bohicamouse) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-10-01 00:21:00


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Current mood:Happy-Dance
Entry tags:anime/manga, think of the fictional children

Won't someone think of the fictional children?
Googling fansites earlier I found wank--old wank, but priceless wank nonetheless.

Negima! is the latest manga series by Ken Akamatsu of Love Hina fame, and it's . . . not for everyone. The speculation begins back in November, before the series had been released over here.

Someone innocently asks whether anyone's heard of it and what they think of it.

Response is lukewarm to positive until Snoopy jumps in with "I say it's evil. It's like his old gangbang card captor sakura dojins revisited." Okay, fair enough, not everyone is going to like a vaguely romantic-comedy series starring a 9-year-old boy. The thread dies for a few days until someone asks again whether anyone knows anything about the series, and Snoopy immediately chimes in with "I'm curious as to whether or not you've been previleged enough to see his doujins. You know. The child porn ones."

Discussion of loli-con ensues, including people asking what it is and others trying to explain to them that it's not ACTUALLY child pornography. Snoopy disagrees, uh, kinda?

Oh come on. Loli-con is different from child porn in the same way that hentai is different from adult porn. The only two things that are different is that it's 'art' and that it's legal. And that's pretty much it.

And people always bring up the past because the past matters. When I heard he got married, I freaked out 'What if he has a KID...!?' If Negima hadn't been based on the love affairs of a 10 year old boy, then no, I never would have brought up his CCS hentai doujins. But being that Negima is about a preteen sex shop, yeah, I bring it up. And yes, I'm exagerating to prove a point.


So the ONLY difference is that no laws are being broken and no children are being hurt. That's not nearly enough, dammit! Also, Negima doesn't actually contain ANY sex or even canon romance involving the main character, but we'll say it does to prove a point!

Then the thread dies. For awhile.


Months later someone ELSE asks if anyone's heard of Negima, and Snoopy pops back in immediately to educate the unwashed masses:

I'm going to say this now. And I won't go into detail since I've done it in every thread ever made regarding any of Akamatsu's mangas . . . Love Hina was crap. Negima's pedofile bait crap . . . Ever since he joined the ranks of people drawing Card Captor Sakura gangbang doujins I've wished death upon him and failure to anything he's ever done. I also hope to god he's sterile.


The thread explodes into wank from there on all sides. The definition of a gangbang, random "you're American, aren't you?" comments are thrown around, Snoopy accuses anyone who likes Ken Akamatsu of being, you know, THE USUAL (college dropout pimply fanboy geek child molester). Elitism involving the GameFAQs board comes up for no apparent reason.

People try to actually talk about the series, but Snoopy continues to interrupt with "everything Akamatsu does is just bait for pedophiles" and when people ask why the fuck he's still around, he reveals that he hasn't read enough of the manga to know what it's like and was wondering why people like it. When people answer him he responds feebly with "BUT I DON'T LIKE IT SO IT SUCKS!" and then runs away for months and months. People proceed to actually wank long-windedly about the series itself rather than the exploitation of, uh, pen and paper.

BONUS: Yesterday, after several months with no mention of Snoopy at all, someone comes in and posts THIS gem which makes it all worth it:

I was reading the first pages 1-5 and I couldn't help but be disturbed by "Snoopy"s words. About 5-70 percent why Japan even has hentai, and mangas like Ken Akamatsu's is because of the high suicide and stress rate Japanese citizens recieve. As the 2nd smartest country in the world, and being one of the words largest technological suppliers and creators, I don't see why we cant save a couple human lives by letting them vent off their rage on fighting video games, and read stimulating manga just so they don't DIE.

Watch this space, folks.



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(Anonymous)
2004-10-01 07:52 am UTC (link)
Sure, it's legal, and not actually harming children.

But I have to admit, if I found out my boyfriend was into hardcore cartoon porn starring pre-pubescent girls, I don't know if I'd really want to have kids with him.

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[info]kijikun
2004-10-03 04:43 am UTC (link)
Did you miss the part about the differnce between fantasy and reality in school?

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[info]nights_mistress
2004-10-03 05:16 am UTC (link)
Oh, I didn't. And the idea is fine with me in abstract. But I'd be reluctant to have kids with him as well. Apart from the fact that he's not my boyfriend of course.

I think for me (I'm the child of a primary school teacher in a country where there is a lot of teacher/student relationships being prosecuted at the moment) that the idea of someone being interested in pre-pubescent children is just wrong. I'm fine with other people having said kink (as long as they don't act on it with small children) but when it comes close to home (i.e. with my boyfriend, fiance, etc) I think I'd be saying "Look, I think we should break up."

It may be a fantasy, but in the context that I'm coming from, it's just a little too creepy. That, and a child paedophile lives down the road from me. Convicted too. Guess what? A school's just down the road too. So I'm overly sensitive on this issue.

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[info]kijikun
2004-10-03 06:33 am UTC (link)
And I'm a daycare teacher? You're point?

We're aren't talking pictures of real children. We're talking about drawings of fictional anime characters. From Clamp, people known from their sexual subtext in their anime/manga.

If my boyfriend was reading the said comic I would most likely TALK to him about it, read it for myself, and if I thought it was a problem encourge him to go to theapy and go with him.

Did you also know that you can be classifted as a child sex offender for many things? An older man kisses a young woman under 18, her parents press charages the man would then be listed as a sex offender. Two people having sex in a car, a lets say 16 year old looks in and tells someone, if they're caught they're now sex offenders. A mother in one state is now a sex offender beceasue she took a shower with her three year old daughter and the child told her daycare teacher.

Once again we are talking about drawings here. Of a comic that might not even exist.
/rant

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(no subject) - [info]nights_mistress, 2004-10-03 06:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-10-03 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nights_mistress, 2004-10-03 10:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-10-03 09:10 pm UTC

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-10-04 05:40 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-04 07:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-10-04 08:06 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-05 10:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-10-05 09:05 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-10-03 04:04 pm UTC (link)
And did you miss the part where a paedophilic sexuality is not necessarily going to be restricted to fantasy, or the numerous studies showing a clear link between sexual expression and choice of pornography?

I admit I'm biased. Working with raped kids does that to you.

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-10-03 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-06 10:27 am UTC

[info]miharu
2004-10-01 08:01 am UTC (link)
Sure, it's legal, but that doesn't prevent it from being creepy!

I wouldn't worry about the art so much as those that get off on it.

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[info]iczer6
2004-10-01 08:46 am UTC (link)
Well I'd rather someone wank to a lolicon DJ then actually go out and harm a real kid.

My question is did the artist actually draw any 'CCS gang-bang doujinshi'?

I know some artists have done p0rny DJ before they hit it big, and hell some do p0rny DJ after they've hit it big, but I checked JPQueen and haven't seen any CCS DJ by this guy so I wonder if the accusations are true.

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[info]aloysius
2004-10-01 09:08 am UTC (link)
Akamatsu does dojinshi under the name of Mizuno Awa (水野亜和). He has done CCS and I've seen most other books of his (Eva, Key) listed as NC17, so I think it's safe to assume. Don't know if there's any gangbang in them, though. (And honestly I'm not thrilled to find out; while searching for this info I was constantly afraid I'd run into porny Sakura-tan pics. *shudder*)

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[info]miharu
2004-10-01 09:25 am UTC (link)
Usually doujin by big name artists are harder to find on sites like JPQueen; they're more of a collector's item so you would have an easier time checking Yahoo! Japan Auctions, or even searching on something like WinMX using his name kanji or the name of his alleged circle.

Even creepier, have you seen the lolicon style Real Dolls? Not cool. While I'd rather a pedo get off on that, one would imagine that one day the Real Doll or the doujin might not be enough for them...

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(Anonymous)
2004-10-01 09:27 am UTC (link)
Well I'd rather someone wank to a lolicon DJ then actually go out and harm a real kid.

Not really following the logic here -- if porn doesn't cause pedophilia, why would it prevent it?

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-10-01 09:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-10-01 10:36 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-01 11:40 am UTC
Best Part - [info]lydiapinkham, 2004-10-01 07:56 pm UTC
Re: Best Part - [info]danceswithelvis, 2004-10-02 04:39 am UTC
Re: Best Part - [info]lydiapinkham, 2004-10-02 07:46 am UTC
Re: Best Part - [info]rinoared, 2004-10-02 08:23 pm UTC

[info]xero_sky
2004-10-01 08:09 am UTC (link)
I don't see why we cant save a couple human lives by letting them vent off their rage on fighting video games, and read stimulating manga just so they don't DIE.

So... in a way... when I buy yaoi doujinshi from Japan, especially DBZ or Final Fantasy doujinshi, I'm helping save lives?

*gets all teary-eyed*

I promise to do my part in this noble effort!!!

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[info]robinterrae
2004-10-01 08:28 am UTC (link)
Save a life.

Buy p0rn!

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[info]sarajayechan
2004-10-01 05:07 pm UTC (link)
...That deserves an icon. Or a 'fake' public service announcement. XD

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(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2004-10-01 10:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2004-10-01 11:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-01 11:49 pm UTC

[info]wakkymse
2004-10-01 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Because the kitten life you save may just be your own!

-lee

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[info]ishtar79
2004-10-01 07:29 pm UTC (link)
I guess I'm really heartless, but I refuse to buy p0rn to save lives.

I get it for free

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(no subject) - chief, 2004-10-04 09:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ishtar79, 2004-10-04 10:01 pm UTC

[info]belafarinrod
2004-10-01 11:38 am UTC (link)
So do I! Oh, I never realized how the poor japanese suffered - I shall have to go out and buy lots and lots of porn to save them!

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[info]mistressrenet
2004-10-01 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Me too!

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[info]sarajayechan
2004-10-01 05:06 pm UTC (link)
"BUT I DON'T LIKE IT SO IT SUCKS!"

It always comes down to that, doesn't it? ;p

I was reading the first pages 1-5 and I couldn't help but be disturbed by "Snoopy"s words. About 5-70 percent why Japan even has hentai, and mangas like Ken Akamatsu's is because of the high suicide and stress rate Japanese citizens recieve. As the 2nd smartest country in the world, and being one of the words largest technological suppliers and creators, I don't see why we cant save a couple human lives by letting them vent off their rage on fighting video games, and read stimulating manga just so they don't DIE

So...manga and videogames = suicide prevention? Eh?

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[info]ashenmote
2004-10-01 08:35 pm UTC (link)
Well...attempting suicide whilst playing a video game or reading a manga might ruin your high score or spill blood all over the pages. That much I can see.

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redwarrior
2004-10-01 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Wait a minute...not to cause wank myself...but in this case the BOY is underage, so wouldn't it be shôtacon?

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[info]iczer6
2004-10-01 11:26 pm UTC (link)
But the issue he has with the mangaka is about the Loli-CCS-gangbang DJ he might or might not have created, he doesn't seem to have a problem with the series itself, probably because he hasn't read it.


Icz

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[info]dawnswalker
2004-10-02 01:23 am UTC (link)
"...mangas like Ken Akamatsu's is because of the high suicide and stress rate Japanese citizens recieve."

"Ken Akamatsu! You must save Japan by drawing kiddy porn!"
"Will do, chief!"

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[info]freya
2004-10-02 02:26 am UTC (link)
::dies::

I think there should be a icon of that. XD

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Icon
[info]khym_chanur
2004-10-02 04:33 am UTC (link)
I don't get the quote that's pastede on yay! over Tomoyo.

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Re: Icon
[info]dawnswalker
2004-10-02 04:43 am UTC (link)
It's lyrics from an angsty (and totally inappropriate to the picture on the icon) song by "Bush X"

Basically, I got sick of seeing song!icons and embarked on a great sarcastic counter-revolution. But Tomoyo there is as far as I got.

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Re: Icon - [info]iczer6, 2004-10-02 05:24 am UTC
Re: Icon - [info]dawnswalker, 2004-10-02 08:34 am UTC
Re: Icon - [info]iczer6, 2004-10-02 09:00 am UTC


 
   
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