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Wham bam, we're in a jam! ([info]sarajayechan) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-10-01 18:14:00


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Current mood:Peckish
Current music:Enigma - Sadness
Entry tags:anime/manga, elitism

Thanks to rabidfanssuck for this one too
Mod at the Maria-sama ga Miteru comm doesn't like fangirl Japanese, or people who 'don't know the language well enough to use it' using it. Some agree, some disagree, commence arguing.

Edit: Retracted my earlier statement about the comm being "elitist". Thanks to [info]usagiko for explaining things.



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[info]usagiko
2004-10-02 01:26 am UTC (link)
I wouldn't say that I was saying "omg if you use Japanese you suck unless you offer the hardcore proof you know the language inside and out", but more like "omg if you use Japanese randomly in English you suck because you're annoying."

Hope that clarified things. ^_________^

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[info]kaiser_chan
2004-10-02 09:40 am UTC (link)
Just curious - when you were talking to Selphish, the last statement you made in japanese - what about your boobs? I don't mean to be nosy, I'm curious, since I'm learning japanese and didn't quite catch the whole statement and was thus confused and very interesting in finding out what it meant.

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(no subject) - [info]lolibot, 2004-10-03 11:02 am UTC

[info]aloysius
2004-10-02 11:42 am UTC (link)
Hi usagiko! I have been looking for an opportunity to thank you for making that "baby-eating time!!1" Mio FO banner. I had in on my LJ for a few months before I went public again a few days ago, and I'm certain it scared away the annoying fangirls. :D Great stuff!

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[info]iczer6
2004-10-02 01:27 am UTC (link)
Yes how DARE the mod tell people how they should act in the comm she runs! Naturally she should let them do whatever the hell they want because having rules is elitest.

I mean I know I just looooovveeee it when people feel the need to pepper their posts with a completely different language, but hey we all know how Japanese is superior to everyone and everything else on the planet right?

My take is the people who actually study Japanese and take seriously probably aren't gonna say things like 'gomen nasai minna, this kawaii fic is late!'


Icz

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[info]usagiko
2004-10-02 01:32 am UTC (link)
My take is the people who actually study Japanese and take seriously probably aren't gonna say things like 'gomen nasai minna, this kawaii fic is late!'

I like your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 01:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]usagiko, 2004-10-02 01:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-10-02 01:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elle, 2004-10-02 03:59 am UTC
OT - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-10-03 01:25 am UTC
Re: OT - [info]elle, 2004-10-03 06:28 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-02 05:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sir_hellsing, 2004-10-02 12:45 pm UTC

[info]seppuku
2004-10-02 01:58 am UTC (link)
Wanking? In this fandom? Honestly, girls, Maria-sama is watching.

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s1ncer1ty
2004-10-02 02:04 am UTC (link)
Funny thing, since '-sama' appears to be part of the series title.

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(no subject) - [info]seppuku, 2004-10-02 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-10-02 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]spiderflower, 2004-10-02 02:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2004-10-02 05:23 am UTC
GIP! - [info]rowan, 2004-10-02 08:08 pm UTC
Re: GIP! - s1ncer1ty, 2004-10-02 09:56 pm UTC

[info]redjackcash
2004-10-02 02:30 am UTC (link)
::round of applause for usagiko::

This is worthy of a DANCING SNAPE!

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(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-10-02 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-10-02 05:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]usagiko, 2004-10-02 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alina_kalime, 2004-10-03 01:08 am UTC

[info]eris
2004-10-02 02:57 am UTC (link)
As much as I hate fangirl Japanese, anytime someone says they want to be better than the rest of anime fandom registers a nice loud ping on my wank-dar.

Oh, and fans squeeing about a show they like in a community dedicated to that show? Don't they know that walking slowly quiet praise is preferred here?

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(no subject) - [info]usagiko, 2004-10-02 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]onewingedhyu, 2004-10-02 08:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eris, 2004-10-02 09:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]onewingedhyu, 2004-10-02 09:31 am UTC

[info]infinitemonday
2004-10-02 03:34 am UTC (link)
[info]usagiko! Making the World Safer from Obnoxious Fangirls!

I, for one, will sleep easier tonight.

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(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2004-10-02 03:42 am UTC

meshou
2004-10-02 04:06 am UTC (link)
Doesn't 'stereotypically western' fall under the category of 'some people are racist asshats" instead of "Dye your hair-- blondes and annoying people are stereotypically western, and at least we can do something about the blond!"

Why do I care if the Japanese think I'm a geek, when my neighbors know it? "Annoying" is enough to get me to stop without saying "If you do this, the Japanese will laugh at you!"

Oh noes! I knew I was annoying, but the Japanese thinking less of me is too hard to bear!

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Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]phosfate, 2004-10-02 05:46 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]kinneas, 2004-10-02 05:50 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-02 06:00 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]kinneas, 2004-10-02 06:01 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]phosfate, 2004-10-02 06:11 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]kinneas, 2004-10-02 06:13 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]phosfate, 2004-10-02 06:15 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]kinneas, 2004-10-02 06:18 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-10-02 05:54 am UTC
Yay! - [info]phosfate, 2004-10-02 06:12 am UTC
Re: Yay! - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-10-02 07:07 pm UTC
Re: Yay! - [info]phosfate, 2004-10-04 02:50 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 06:00 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-02 06:50 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 06:54 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-02 07:09 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 07:59 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-02 08:06 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 08:13 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]khym_chanur, 2004-10-02 08:35 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 08:37 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]iczer6, 2004-10-02 08:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-10-02 09:31 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]jaseroque, 2004-10-02 03:00 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]jaina, 2004-10-02 10:03 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - (Anonymous), 2004-10-02 05:30 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - (Anonymous), 2004-10-02 06:22 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - (Anonymous), 2004-10-02 06:23 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 06:41 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]ashenmote, 2004-10-02 07:31 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]usagiko, 2004-10-02 07:54 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]ashenmote, 2004-10-02 08:03 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]charabok, 2004-10-02 01:27 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]kraken_sleeps, 2004-10-02 06:40 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]plazmah, 2004-10-02 10:35 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]sesana, 2004-10-03 05:41 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]kraken_sleeps, 2004-10-03 06:31 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]phosfate, 2004-10-03 06:40 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - meshou, 2004-10-02 09:27 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]belafarinrod, 2004-10-04 01:12 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - (Anonymous), 2004-10-02 05:28 pm UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]amasaglajax, 2004-10-03 06:11 am UTC
Re: Konnichi-wa, y'all! - [info]phosfate, 2004-10-03 06:47 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-10-02 04:14 am UTC (link)
And here's someone bitching about it semi-privately. (http://www.livejournal.com/users/onewingedhyu/469991.html)

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(no subject) - [info]onewingedhyu, 2004-10-02 06:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sesana, 2004-10-03 05:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]onewingedhyu, 2004-10-03 06:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2004-10-03 01:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-10-03 06:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]katsue, 2004-10-03 07:10 pm UTC
Fluffy Bunny Loves for All - [info]onewingedhyu, 2004-10-03 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shun_mcdaddy, 2004-10-04 04:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]onewingedhyu, 2004-10-04 11:09 pm UTC
Confused, here.
[info]crysiana
2004-10-02 06:08 am UTC (link)
Could someone explain to me what's wrong with romaji? I mean, I avoid using fangirl Japanese, but when I write in Japanese, I do tend to write in romaji rather than getting a program to type the characters. (As in, I don't go grab the kana for "Hagane no Renkinjustushi.") I'm honestly puzzled on this one.

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Re: Confused, here. - [info]onewingedhyu, 2004-10-02 09:32 am UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]kaiser_chan, 2004-10-02 09:45 am UTC
Re: Confused, here. - meshou, 2004-10-02 09:51 am UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]kaiser_chan, 2004-10-02 09:54 am UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]chaos_seahorse, 2004-10-02 10:36 am UTC
Re: Confused, here. - (Anonymous), 2004-10-02 05:31 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 05:35 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - (Anonymous), 2004-10-02 05:52 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]elysian, 2004-10-02 03:53 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-02 06:55 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-02 07:00 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]aloysius, 2004-10-02 05:51 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 07:25 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]aloysius, 2004-10-02 07:47 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 08:14 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]aloysius, 2004-10-02 08:21 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]shinigami_co, 2004-10-02 07:15 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 07:29 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]aloysius, 2004-10-02 07:54 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]ari_, 2004-10-02 08:32 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]amasaglajax, 2004-10-03 06:17 am UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]mael, 2004-10-03 11:50 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]gaisce, 2004-10-02 09:36 pm UTC
Re: Confused, here. - [info]eclair, 2004-10-03 05:43 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-10-02 09:41 am UTC (link)
There's some mini-wank going on in pornish_pixies on LJ. Alchemia posted a picture, deleted it, re-posted it, talks about how much she hates said picture, someone takes her to task for not saying it's a photo-manip, and invokes the name of crystalgamgee. ALchemia also complains about people saying her art is OMG! so hot! If you post a picture of Harry and Snape fucking on ponish_pixies, what the fuck do you expect people to say?

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(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2004-10-02 09:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-02 07:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shinigami_co, 2004-10-02 07:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2004-10-02 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-03 03:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2004-10-03 04:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-03 07:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bisclavret, 2004-10-03 01:37 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-04 04:52 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-04 07:39 am UTC

[info]kaiser_chan
2004-10-02 09:48 am UTC (link)
ROFLMAO. Fangirl japanese is not the root of all evil - it's the root of half the funny I see. Come on, coming from the FFVII or YnM fandoms, it's hilarious. All the people making Tsuzuki say "Tatsumi-chan" and the like DOESN'T make people laugh?

Fangirl japanese is great, in a disturbed way. Sit back and enjoy the stupid, for when Bush doesn't quite cut it. Butchering of languages has never been so fun...

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(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-10-02 10:42 am UTC

[info]iris
2004-10-02 10:57 am UTC (link)
E...Ethlinn icon!

MARRY ME PLZ KTHX. XD

(Lenster > all. Though Nodion is a close second!)

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(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 04:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iris, 2004-10-02 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 11:08 pm UTC
ははは
[info]winterfalls
2004-10-02 12:52 pm UTC (link)
すばらしい wank ね!

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Re: ははは - [info]aloysius, 2004-10-02 05:42 pm UTC
Re: ははは - [info]winterfalls, 2004-10-02 07:00 pm UTC
Re: ははは - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-02 07:06 pm UTC
ははは - [info]gaisce, 2004-10-02 09:38 pm UTC
Re: ははは - [info]schuldig, 2004-10-02 08:53 pm UTC
Re: ははは - layne, 2004-10-03 05:22 am UTC
Re: ははは - [info]mael, 2004-10-03 11:58 pm UTC

[info]ladyofviolets
2004-10-02 04:27 pm UTC (link)
I'm actually SURPRISED that the Marimite fandom didn't start wanking EARLIER.

And it's not even pairings or "shoujoai v/s mere friendship v/s sister friendship" type of wank...

I better shut up and not give them ideas.

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(no subject) - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]samhatesyou, 2004-10-04 05:12 am UTC

[info]oysteria
2004-10-02 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Hmm. After examining the wank in question, I'd have to say Usagiko sure comes across like an elitist control freak, and her "clarification" does nothing to counter that impression.

(I will never, never, never understand the fuss over language borrowing. I'm a mothertongue English speaker, and it doesn't offend me when people borrow from English, and mangle English grammer and pronunciations--especially if they're not trying to talk to me. English doesn't care. English is very amiable. English probably thinks it's as harmless and amusing as I do.

Then again, I'm not French.)

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(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 07:48 pm UTC
-_- - [info]winterfalls, 2004-10-02 08:05 pm UTC
Re: -_- - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 08:09 pm UTC
Re: -_- - [info]winterfalls, 2004-10-02 08:10 pm UTC
Re: -_- - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-02 08:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aloysius, 2004-10-02 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_, 2004-10-02 08:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2004-10-02 10:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_, 2004-10-02 11:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2004-10-03 01:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2004-10-03 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2004-10-02 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_, 2004-10-02 11:13 pm UTC
Er machen ich zum in den grünen Weiden unten zu liegen - [info]ashenmote, 2004-10-02 08:33 pm UTC
Re: Er machen ich zum in den grünen Weiden unten zu liegen - [info]ari_, 2004-10-02 11:12 pm UTC
Re: Er machen ich zum in den grünen Weiden unten zu liegen - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-10-03 10:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 08:08 pm UTC
Fanboy German. - (Anonymous), 2004-10-03 04:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sesana, 2004-10-03 05:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yeats, 2004-10-05 06:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]samhatesyou, 2004-10-04 05:41 am UTC

[info]herring
2004-10-02 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Snarlball: BTW, do you remember me from a looong time ago (or so it seems), when the community was first starting up? I think I was snapping at some girl and then you called me "mod material" and some other stuff happened.

During a wank, always take time to remind the bitchy moderator that you are full of TEH GUUD STUFF and should be made powerful too. Snarlball is one enterprising young woman.

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[info]gaisce
2004-10-02 09:44 pm UTC (link)
There is no difference between the English-speakers adopting Japanese words and Japanese adopting English words -- it's retarded and annoying either way.


Say what? Hearing Japanese characters spout of English/French phrases randomly in my entertainment ranks up there as quite possible one of the funniest things EVAR. It's audio crack.

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(no subject) - [info]eag, 2004-10-02 10:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-03 04:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iris, 2004-10-02 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-02 11:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - kroki_refur, 2004-10-03 10:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-10-03 10:33 am UTC
(no subject) - kroki_refur, 2004-10-03 12:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adinaj69, 2004-10-03 03:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zarla, 2004-10-04 07:23 am UTC

[info]herongale
2004-10-03 02:58 am UTC (link)
...BUT WRITING IN ALL CAPS FREQUENTLY IS RARELY ANNOYING AT ALL.

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[info]dana
2004-10-03 03:18 am UTC (link)
Reason 124 why I won't ever get Anime. I mean, I like NGE and Astro Boy just as much as the next chick, but there is one thing I've learnt from watching NGE - Japanese entertainment is so surreal I don't think I could possibly understand it, it's like Bollywood, very pretty - but I keep on thinking I'm missing a huge amount of context that I'll never get, even if I try. I feel that way with some American television as well

Or maybe it's a online generational thing, Anime wasn't exactly as big as it is now when I first got into online fandom eight years ago, and I missed the boat.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-03 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-10-03 06:55 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-03 04:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-10-03 10:02 pm UTC
CCS - [info]suzywongdress, 2004-10-03 05:45 pm UTC
Re: CCS - winterfox, 2004-10-04 12:54 pm UTC
Re: CCS - [info]suzywongdress, 2004-10-04 03:37 pm UTC
Re: CCS - winterfox, 2004-10-04 03:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2004-10-03 10:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-10-03 07:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sir_hellsing, 2004-10-05 08:53 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-10-03 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Could someone take a look at this wank (http://www.livejournal.com/community/som_pos/1082612.html)? It's really beautiful, and I'd hate for it to be ignored. Make sure you also check the rules of the community so you notice that the OP actually wasn't breaking them.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-10-04 01:40 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-07 05:02 am UTC

[info]kalika_maxwell
2004-10-04 04:59 am UTC (link)
Personally, English people using French words (rendez-vous, déjà-vu) hurts a lot more than fangirl Japanese. Maybe because you already adopted them so I can only cringe to myself in silence whereas I can tell fangirls to STFU.

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(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-10-04 06:56 am UTC


 
   
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