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Who knew Armageddon could be so barbecue-tasty ([info]mistressrenet) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-10-20 22:51:00


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Fanfiction: Fun hobby or twilight of the Gods?
Applegal posts a question about fanfiction at the Nanowrimo boards.

People reply, the thread is happy, and then...

Grammar con Queso and Holbrook tell everyone how much fanfiction sucks, at great length, and also how illegal it is because they've talked to lawyers.



Grammar started it off with this:

Detest isn't quite strong enough. There are myriad reasons I loathe fanfic.

1) It's theft of intellectual property. The characters are not yours whether you want to write about them or not. They do not belong to you.

2) It's copyright infringement. Like it or not, it is.

3) It's in extremely bad taste. The original author crafted characters and should have the right to do with those characters what he or she wants. The author should not have to put up with a bunch of wannabees co-opting those characters for their own purposes. The author should have the right, even beyond copyright and intellectual property, to decide how his characters behave. As much as you may love them, you don't know them better than the author.

4) It's lazy. You want to write? Create your own damn characters. Can't do that? Watch TV.

5) It's hypocritical. It absolutely boils my blood to see people who have stolen characters from an author whine about other people stealing their ideas. That, dear reader, is known as a karmic smackdown. It's equally hypocritical to see someone put a copyright symbol on something containing characters and ideas from someone else's work. If you don't respect copyright, why should anyone respect yours?

6) It's lousy, or at least the grand majority of it is. Why wade through that much chaff?

I have, to date, never seen a single legitimate reason for fanfic. It is, on a moral level, equivalent to film, software, and music piracy. "But I wanna..." or "That's not the story I really want to read..." are crappy reasons.

Good enough? Please, let the flaming commence.


And oh, it does.

And then there's this little gem if you keep going on:

On the other side are, well, I'm not about to start slinging mud, because we all have our little twists, but on the other side are ... the others. Slash. *shudder* And if you think I'm anti-slash because I'm anti-gay, you're wrong. I would shudder just as much if someone wrote (and come to think of it, they probably have) some kind of reverse slash where they turn gay characters straight.

And finally, don't get me started on Japan. Japanese sex culture is f'd up. And if that makes me a racist or something, then I guess I'm a racist. But you look at some of the popular hentai stuff on J-List and tell me pre-pubescent rape scenes aren't f'd up. Seriously, dude.




Ah, November. You're gonna be a fun month.



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[info]lurker32
2004-10-21 05:56 am UTC (link)
I'll never know why they can't resist wanking over that. NaNoLand is all happy and smiley and the gore horror writers get along in harmony with the writers of Harlequin romance and the people who type the word "the" 50,000 times because they think it's clever, and everybody sings kumbaya....

And then someone decides to write a Final Fantasy novel and all hell breaks loose.

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[info]kijikun
2004-10-21 06:02 am UTC (link)
*stares* *stares some more* Ow the pretension hurts my eyes.

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(no subject) - [info]jaig, 2004-10-21 03:31 pm UTC

[info]wickedcherub
2004-10-21 06:04 am UTC (link)
There should be a gigantic disclaimer on all fanfic saying "I DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S FUN AND DOES NOT HARM ANYONE ELSE."

Gee. Such a hard concept to grasp.

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[info]sarajayechan
2004-10-21 06:05 am UTC (link)
Applegal posts a question about fanfiction at the Nanowrimo boards.

A question like that is pretty much an open gateway for wank.

Writers. Why must they be so damned stuck up and petty no matter what they're writing? GRAR! Makes me wonder why I even decided to go after this profession!

*looks at one of her original stories*

Ah, now I remember. It's fun.

I need one of those "You! Out of my major!" icons for the wankers...

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[info]iczer6
2004-10-21 06:09 am UTC (link)
What is it with this whole 'Fanfiction is THEFT' concept?

How is someone stating that they don't own the characters, and they don't own the series, and just borrowing the concepts for fun, theft?

They aren't preventing the original creators form doing anything.

There's tons of HP fanfic out there, and last I checked Rowling is still planning on finishing the series.


Icz

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[info]ymfaery
2004-10-21 06:12 am UTC (link)
So... is it okay to write fanfic stories set in other people's worlds and using their characters if other people have already published novels doing the same thing? Because if that's the case, I want to do my Star Trek(any/all series)/Buffy/X-Men crossover idea for Nanowrimo.

(BTW, just curious: how long did it take for your post to be approved? ;D)

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-21 01:14 pm UTC

[info]crysiana
2004-10-21 06:23 am UTC (link)
My favorite part is where they try to claim that fanfiction = ripping movies off dvds and distributing them. Hm. One reproduces the original in an untransformed format, negating the need to buy the original. One uses the original as a base and builds on it, but does not replace the original. I have yet to understand why people have a hard time with this concept.

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Icon! - [info]darkerthanpale, 2004-10-21 05:57 pm UTC
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[info]sluggirl
2004-10-21 06:24 am UTC (link)
The noise I made when reading the slash/Japan post was MOST undignified. Sort of a squawksnortgiggle.


Heh. slash/Japan. How would that even work? I don't know, but I'd like to see someone try.

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(no subject) - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-21 06:25 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2004-10-21 05:16 pm UTC
Posting here, because that way I will not go over and flame there
[info]limyaael
2004-10-21 06:41 am UTC (link)
) It's hypocritical. It absolutely boils my blood to see people who have stolen characters from an author whine about other people stealing their ideas. That, dear reader, is known as a karmic smackdown. It's equally hypocritical to see someone put a copyright symbol on something containing characters and ideas from someone else's work. If you don't respect copyright, why should anyone respect yours?

*seethe* *seethe*

Look, you dipshit. I've written fanfiction, and I had an original novel that I put on the Internet- for free, because I wanted to, but still clearly listed as mine- stolen and offered to an online publisher as that other person's work. Further investigation revealed that person had been plagiarizing my work since before I wrote any fanfiction.

Karmic smackdown? I'll tell you what my idea of a karmic smackdown is: that the plagiarism took place via Internet, and I managed to raise enough of a stink via the Internet to get the plagiarizer shot down, get several official apologies, AND get the e-zine publisher to offer to run the novel under my name. Not that I happened to write fanfic and happened to write original stuff, too, and someone chose to plagiarize one of them. How the FUCK would those be connected? My ideas are still mine, and her taking my work and claiming it was her own was the difference, you twat. But you clearly can't see that. That would be what makes you a twat. Put down the big words before you hurt yourself.

/rant

Okay, done now.

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Re: Posting here, because that way I will not go over and flame there - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-21 07:15 am UTC
Re: Posting here, because that way I will not go over and flame there - [info]limyaael, 2004-10-21 07:18 am UTC
Re: Posting here, because that way I will not go over and flame there - (Anonymous), 2004-10-21 07:33 am UTC
Re: Posting here, because that way I will not go over and flame there - [info]blackjackrocket, 2004-10-21 10:43 am UTC
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[info]sidhebastardess
2004-10-21 06:54 am UTC (link)
You know, someday, if I ever manage to be the semisuccessful comic book/novel writer that I aspire to be . . . I really hope I have a fandom. I fully intend to lurk and enjoy every single piece of fanfic. The more strange and twisted the better.

It's one of my most dearly cherished dreams. *little tear*

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[info]saxameup
2004-10-21 06:54 am UTC (link)
"3) It's in extremely bad taste. The original author crafted characters and should have the right to do with those characters what he or she wants. The author should not have to put up with a bunch of wannabees co-opting those characters for their own purposes. The author should have the right, even beyond copyright and intellectual property, to decide how his characters behave. As much as you may love them, you don't know them better than the author."

Does that mean that my fantasy sex with Mark Darcy from Briget Jones's Diary is a copyright infringement? Do I have to call her and have her write me a smut scene for it to be legitimate entertainment?

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[info]infinitemonday
2004-10-21 07:08 am UTC (link)
Japanese sex culture is f'd up.

Seriously, yo. Now, if you want some WHOLESOME porn, turn to America. Because OUR sex culture is totally above reproach.

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[info]munchkinott
2004-10-21 07:22 am UTC (link)
Detest isn't quite strong enough. There are myriad reasons I loathe fanfic.

Somebody isn't getting their memos... "Vacancy: Anne Rice - Applications closed. Position Filled (to overflowing)."

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Icon.
[info]panthea
2004-10-21 07:33 am UTC (link)
Thankyoudrivethrough.

Really, I just wanted an excuse to use this one.

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Re: Icon. - [info]infinitemonday, 2004-10-21 08:15 am UTC

[info]lindentree
2004-10-21 07:48 am UTC (link)
6) It's lousy, or at least the grand majority of it is. Why wade through that much chaff?

Because... porn, man. There's porn in them thar hills chaff-heaps!

I would shudder just as much if someone wrote (and come to think of it, they probably have) some kind of reverse slash where they turn gay characters straight.

You mean het?

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the inevitable freelance spice strikes... for the first time - (Anonymous), 2004-10-22 08:55 am UTC
Re: the inevitable freelance spice strikes... for the first time - [info]vanilla_tiger, 2004-10-22 04:28 pm UTC
Over from a squeelinka on LJ - dodyskin, 2004-10-22 06:19 pm UTC
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[info]seppuku
2004-10-21 08:12 am UTC (link)
... How many times do you think the NaNo boards will get to 50,000 words worth of wank during the month of November?

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(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2004-10-21 10:45 am UTC
It warms my heart...
[info]xero_sky
2004-10-21 08:48 am UTC (link)
...to know that there's a never-ending supply of people so eager to be deeply offended by my favorite pasttime.


I'm talking about slash fanfiction, in case you're confused at this point.

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Re: It warms my heart... - dodyskin, 2004-10-21 05:37 pm UTC
Re: It warms my heart... - [info]sahz, 2004-10-21 06:08 pm UTC
Re: It warms my heart... - dodyskin, 2004-10-21 06:23 pm UTC
Re: It warms my heart... - [info]crysiana, 2004-10-21 06:31 pm UTC
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Re: It warms my heart... - [info]sahz, 2004-10-21 06:34 pm UTC
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Re: It warms my heart... - [info]snarkbunny, 2004-10-21 09:09 pm UTC
Re: It warms my heart... - mute_button, 2004-10-21 10:29 pm UTC
Re: It warms my heart... - [info]lovelyzelda, 2004-10-22 03:05 am UTC
Re: It warms my heart... - (Anonymous), 2004-10-22 12:04 pm UTC
*delurks*
[info]semtex
2004-10-21 09:11 am UTC (link)
Ahh..that was some sweet sanctimonious Naziwrimo. wank. Trashing fanfic for the lack of quality in writing is like calling the kettle black because haven't they usually emphasized quantity over quality?

I especially like the comparison of terrorism to fanfiction. wtf?

"OH NOES U WRITE FANFICS U MUST H8 AMERICA U TERRERIST!!111"

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Re: *delurks* - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-10-21 12:04 pm UTC
Re: *delurks* - [info]raykat, 2004-10-21 12:14 pm UTC
Re: *delurks* - [info]virago, 2004-10-21 02:26 pm UTC
stale, year-old mini Nanowank: - [info]semtex, 2004-10-21 09:43 pm UTC
Re: stale, year-old mini Nanowank: - [info]mydemand, 2004-10-23 04:51 pm UTC
Re: stale, year-old mini Nanowank: - [info]semtex, 2004-10-23 07:28 pm UTC
Re: *delurks* - [info]zarla, 2004-10-21 10:24 pm UTC
AAAAA!!11 - [info]semtex, 2004-10-21 10:30 pm UTC
Re: AAAAA!!11 - [info]zarla, 2004-10-21 11:25 pm UTC
Re: AAAAA!!11 - [info]semtex, 2004-10-22 12:56 am UTC
... - [info]zarla, 2004-10-22 07:37 pm UTC
... - [info]semtex, 2004-10-23 07:38 pm UTC
... - [info]zarla, 2004-10-24 08:31 am UTC

[info]hellespont
2004-10-21 09:31 am UTC (link)
I liked the part at the end of page two with the rhapsodies about the "epic" Xena fanfiction. Sweet chakram, what were they reading? Now, Xena was my first fandom and I will defend its honour forevermore, but so much of Xena fanfic was drek. You really had to work to find the good stuff. Not that I was too picky, as a horny seventh grade baby-dyke (oh yeah, I disregarded those NC-17 warnings just like every other kid on the internet), but looking back there are are only a few stories that still stand out as being worthy of great praise.

Still, it turned me queer for eight years and counting, so I owe it that much.

*will never take her homemade Xena collage off bedroom wall*

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(no subject) - [info]drworm, 2004-10-21 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darthbird, 2004-10-21 10:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2004-10-22 01:55 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-21 11:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2004-10-22 01:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]raykat, 2004-10-22 10:50 am UTC

[info]squib
2004-10-21 10:00 am UTC (link)
I wanked shamelessly in that thread. I can't help it, the whole "there is nothing original in fanfiction, it's all done for you" thing drives me absolutely batshit insane. I know there's lots of "missing ep" fic out there, but that's not what I write.

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(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2004-10-21 10:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2004-10-21 03:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-10-21 06:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2004-10-21 11:13 pm UTC
Seriousness? Feh! - [info]singe, 2004-10-22 05:57 am UTC
... - [info]bubosquared, 2004-10-23 11:13 am UTC
... - [info]singe, 2004-10-25 05:17 am UTC
... - [info]bubosquared, 2004-10-25 08:04 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-21 10:21 pm UTC
NaNo Wank ending up here? WTFOMGBBQ
[info]raykat
2004-10-21 12:16 pm UTC (link)
The joy of F_W never ends! :D

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Re: NaNo Wank ending up here? WTFOMGBBQ - [info]squib, 2004-10-21 12:48 pm UTC
Re: NaNo Wank ending up here? WTFOMGBBQ - [info]raykat, 2004-10-21 12:51 pm UTC
Re: NaNo Wank ending up here? WTFOMGBBQ - [info]semtex, 2004-10-21 10:01 pm UTC
Re: NaNo Wank ending up here? WTFOMGBBQ - [info]squib, 2004-10-22 01:18 am UTC
... - [info]panthea, 2004-10-22 04:44 am UTC
Re: NaNo Wank ending up here? WTFOMGBBQ - [info]mydemand, 2004-10-23 04:45 pm UTC

[info]adora_spintriae
2004-10-21 01:17 pm UTC (link)
Ahhhh, I was wondering when NaNoWriMo was gonna show up. *hearts* I encountered a real-life wank situation once when I snickered at someone in a class who said they were participating in it. I sat there wishing I had a f_w icon I could show them.

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(no subject) - [info]provetheworst, 2004-10-21 10:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2004-10-22 02:04 am UTC

[info]coffee_mug
2004-10-21 01:24 pm UTC (link)
And if you think I'm anti-slash because I'm anti-gay, you're wrong.

Yeah, because a lot of other anti-gay people just LURVE to read their gay pr0n on the internet. Truly.

Dude, everyone's heard and read and seen those arguments a million times. That dude takes every argument a few levels higher on the stupidity scale. Especially the fanfiction = PIRATISM. Or the fanfiction = TERRORISM.

OMG FANFICTION WILL CRASH THE INTERNET!!!111

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(no subject) - [info]ichigatsu, 2004-10-21 05:28 pm UTC
It's a perfectly cromulent word! - [info]singe, 2004-10-21 06:16 pm UTC
Re: It's a perfectly cromulent word! - [info]cleolinda, 2004-10-21 06:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]coffee_mug, 2004-10-21 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ichigatsu, 2004-10-22 06:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-21 07:12 pm UTC
Close... - [info]lovelyzelda, 2004-10-22 04:06 am UTC
Re: Close... - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-22 04:09 am UTC
... - [info]lovelyzelda, 2004-10-22 03:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]saxameup, 2004-10-21 08:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]coffee_mug, 2004-10-21 09:46 pm UTC

[info]virago
2004-10-21 02:22 pm UTC (link)
yes. I am going to say this here because I really can't take that board anymore. (disclaimer: Scrabbling Dabbler over there. I kind of... well, didn't start it, but I got bitchy before anyone else did.)

OH MY GOD, WHERE DO YOU GET OFF. You seem to write media tie-in novels or something of the sort, which, as we all know, are a beacon of literary excellence, have no dreck whatsoever, and are NOTHING like fanfiction, AT ALL.

Though of course, as I said, I think it's terribly stupid to bitch about what people do for a hobby, by themselves, it is seriously creepy to me to mix up legality and morality. "I hate it because it's illegal" seriously freaks me out. So you have no personal conscience and hate based on whatever is ratified? GREAT!

But the icing is the guy who writes paid fanfic, then turns around and calls fanfic authors shit. Yeah, no irony there at all.

the end.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-21 03:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]raven, 2004-10-21 06:50 pm UTC
A little OT, but... - (Anonymous), 2004-10-23 04:36 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-11-01 08:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]drworm, 2004-10-21 07:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarkbunny, 2004-10-21 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]naienko, 2004-10-21 10:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-10-23 02:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]squib, 2004-10-22 01:25 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-10-22 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2004-10-22 04:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]munchkinott, 2004-10-22 09:40 am UTC



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