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The Sinister Dr. Larimer ([info]phosfate) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-10-26 14:00:00


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Current mood:geeky

Wank that's RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES!
The New York Times covers the wankbeat with a story about online fans' reaction to Law and Order: Criminal Intent's choose-your-own-ending episode. See: casual fans vs. real fans! Dumbing down! and What would the characters do?



Vote on Plot Raises Ire of 'Law & Order' Fans
By MICHAEL JOSEPH GROSS

Published: October 26, 2004

After NBC announced that viewers of "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" could vote online to decide the fate of a recurring character, the show's Internet fan message boards got rowdy. On the show's official message board, bloodlust was rampant ("it's time to do her in!!!!"); and on an unofficial fan forum, fans were consternated ("Criminal Intent is neither 'Survivor' nor some soap opera").

NBC had shown two different endings of the Oct. 17 episode of "Law and Order: Criminal Intent," one on the East Coast and the other on the West Coast. In the East Coast version, the character, a murderer named Nicole Wallace, got away from the series hero, detective Robert Goren, played by Vincent D'Onofrio. In the other version, she was killed. The online results were announced, and the winning ending was shown on the Oct. 24 broadcast; 53 percent of voters said that Nicole, played by Olivia d'Abo, should survive.

"The vote wasn't the biggest thing that ever happened on the show, but it was the biggest thing that ever happened on the boards," said Pat Ward, a 49-year-old library worker at Butler University in Indianapolis whose nickname at the unofficial fan site www.criminal-intent.us is "patcat." (In a telephone interview, Ms. Ward explained that the alias honors her two feline pets.)

According to the founder of that forum, who declined to be identified by any name but "Criminal Mastermind," membership rose by 14 percent in the week following NBC's announcement of the vote. The volume of postings jumped 31 percent.

Criminal-intent.us even conducted its own poll in advance of the NBC vote. The discussion string, titled "Law & Order: Tribal Counsel," borrowed from the language of "Survivor," and its outcome was the opposite of the official vote on NBC. On the message board, 68 percent voted to kill the Wallace character; 31 percent voted to let her live. But much, and perhaps the majority, of the discussion on the boards was not so much about the question at stake in the vote, as about the significance of the vote itself.

Initially, many participants condemned the electoral innovation as a publicity stunt.

Jennifer Bart, 28, who teaches music at a public high school in Phoenix (and spends about seven hours a week on the official "Criminal Intent" message board at www.wolffilms.com/criminalintent), said by telephone, "I wasn't really a fan of the whole voting idea. That a show of this caliber would resort to a reality-TV gimmick just blew me away."

Some of the most devoted fans were alarmed that merely casual viewers would have a say in the future of the show. "Not to be undemocratic, but should those people really be voting?" wrote a fan calling herself Nikkigreen.

Others said they wished that the creators of "Criminal Intent" would not allow themselves to be distracted by interactive possibilities.

Sirenna on criminal-intent.us wrote: "I personally hate, yes, hate that the audience is influencing the writing. It's not dumbing down the show that I fear, since most people who watch it welcome the more complicated storylines. It's the quick-fix mentality behind the whole thing. What's the point of discussing the characters if they don't stay true to what they might do, whether we like it or not?"



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It's US vs. THEM
[info]pfeffermuse
2004-10-26 10:19 pm UTC (link)
What the industry is discovering in this kind of voting is that the casual/passive fan (i.e., "mundanes") has a completely different mindset on what makes something entertaining vs. how an active/participatory fan sees it.

The mundanes really don't see the world of entertainment in the same way we do -- from DVD collecting to fanfic, many of them don't even know (or care) of fandom's existence. Whether that's good or bad, I don't know, but I do feel a little possessive about my sandbox.

Pepper

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[info]llama_treats
2004-10-26 10:35 pm UTC (link)
I vote that everyone on the show becomes gay and has sex with Gandalf!

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[info]rinoared
2004-10-26 10:44 pm UTC (link)
I'd watch that.

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[info]greenwood
2004-10-27 03:02 am UTC (link)
There really needs to be more 'Law & Order'/'LOTR' crossover episodes.

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(Anonymous)
2004-10-27 04:05 am UTC (link)
The closest you can get is a (really bad) SVU/Harry Potter crossover fic (http://www.svufiction.com/viewstory.php?sid=810). Be entranced as the team unites with Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny to find a magical rapist. Oi.

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[info]samhatesyou
2004-10-27 05:28 am UTC (link)
I am not sure whether to thank you for brightening my day or weep pathetically in a corner for this most disturbing sign of the impending apocalypse.

...

...thanks!

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GAAAAAAAAH
[info]wakkymse
2004-10-27 08:03 am UTC (link)
*looks at that site*

*turns green*

Wow. I can't even get past the descriptions without feeling ill. Anyone got some brain bleach Pepto?

-lee

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[info]kijikun
2004-10-27 06:02 am UTC (link)
Kai!

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[info]greenwood
2004-10-27 06:54 am UTC (link)
LAST! Of the Brunnen-G!

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[info]oysteria
2004-10-27 05:56 am UTC (link)
I'd totally watch that.

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[info]esseilte
2004-10-27 12:25 am UTC (link)
Why do they never hold these votes on shows where I really want to see a fictional character lynched?

Lauren Reed wouldn't have lasted two episodes of Alias. Joan of Arcadia's Iris would have met a swift and gruesome death, possibly involving a rogue pinata. Oh, the shows that could have broadcast happily, without my cries of "Die! Just bloody DIE!"

Then again, it probably is a sign that someone is getting desperate for ratings.

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[info]samhatesyou
2004-10-27 12:46 am UTC (link)
Joan of Arcadia's Iris would have met a swift and gruesome death, possibly involving a rogue pinata.
"How could you do this?! Daddy used to beat us with sticks and you were totally supposed to know that even though I hardly talk to you or anything!"

*piñata leaps up from table and bites Iris' shrill little head off*

*children cheer*

Now that you mention it, Iris was a problem that could have been taken care of in her first episode. Heh.

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[info]oysteria
2004-10-27 05:54 am UTC (link)
Rosa Gigantea, is that you?

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[info]restlesshands
2004-10-27 01:28 am UTC (link)
<3 Lana Lang could have been killed off in the first episode of Smallville! ...Making way for sweet, sweet Clark and Lex loving. Yeeeeeeeah, baby.

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[info]goldberry
2004-10-27 06:16 am UTC (link)
*Hearts you* Ohgodyes! Seriously, where can we vote for this? ;p

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[info]restlesshands
2004-10-27 08:05 am UTC (link)
That should be an option on the DVDs. Like the language settings.

"Lana Lang Setting: On or Off"

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[info]goldberry
2004-10-28 04:47 am UTC (link)
Genius! We should start a petition. ;)

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[info]samhatesyou
2004-10-27 12:36 am UTC (link)
Holy crap, the New York Times covering L&O: Criminal Intent wank. I don't know what part of that amuses me most, actually.

(Now that she's going to live, though, how the hell are they going to explain that to those of us on the West Coast who saw her on a slab at the morgue? OMG CLONE!!1)

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[info]phosfate
2004-10-27 12:59 am UTC (link)
We get the East Coast feed (we're the Central Time in "Eight...seven Central Time") and she snuffed it here, too.

I was kind of disappointed that Bobby didn't pop open a beer bottle with her teeth when she was was lying there.

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[info]samhatesyou
2004-10-27 05:25 am UTC (link)
That would have made that scene so awesome. Then, when she came back, it could be for REVENGE. Because ouch, chipped tooth!

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[info]rackhamrose
2004-10-27 06:52 am UTC (link)
Dude, I watched it on the East Coast, and the ending they aired seemed pretty open-ended to me.

"Well, she coulda died... but it would have taken her a while to collect a pint of her blood and blah blah blah SO SHE MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE AND LOOK LOOK THERE'S A PLOT HOLE SHE COULD SQUIRM THROUGH ALIVE BECAUSE SHE'S EVIL AND WRIGGLY ENOUGH."

See, now, THAT was awesome.

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[info]samhatesyou
2004-10-27 05:49 pm UTC (link)
OMG. NICOLE WALLACE IS A NINJA.

(Seriously, the West Coast ending was pretty much definite, unless they actually stoop to the clone thing.)

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[info]panthea
2004-10-27 12:48 am UTC (link)
The Invisible Man did it FIRST, y'all.

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[info]redjackcash
2004-10-27 01:14 am UTC (link)
I hate that whole "casual fan vs. 'real' fan" argument. Being frighteningly obsessive does not give any one person more entitlement to a show or entity that is publically broadcast. It's for everyone to enjoy. It means the 'real fan' is trying really hard to rationalize the why and what of their fandom and the fact that they are hardcore into something the average person sees as "useless" by escalating themselves above everything. Since the casual fan (not mundanes, mind you...to insinuate that because someone chooses to have a life outside of fandom makes them boring is the same type of self-aggrandizing that I am referring to, not to mention counter-intuitive. "This person does stuff and has priorities other than fandom! OMG THEY ARE BORING!", when in reality people who can blather about nothing but fandom are the most boring individuals you'll ever meet. It's fun to fangirl sometimes, but it shouldn't be who you are) don't/can't seem to understand why someone would divulge so much of themselves in fantasy they react somewhat repulsed by the "active" fan. The active fan responds in kind by putting themself on an even higher pedestal and convinving themself that the world outside doesn't matter, because EVERYONE LOVED MY FANFIC OMG! So you have this whole huge circle of splooge. No one is bad, or any less of a fan...just different priorities in life. Different things float their boats. Obviously, my priorities are a little more based in reality and I get irritated at the feeling in fandom that having a life outside of it somehow means you're a "bad fan". What a load of horseshit.

[/wank]

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[info]restlesshands
2004-10-27 01:31 am UTC (link)
SO very true. A fact that I've recently found out, coming to college and discovering that I can't stand many of the anime fans because they're TOO obsessive. Like, I love anime and all, but...I can extract fandom from my normal life without any trouble. These people can't. X__X They scare me.

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[info]charmian
2004-10-27 02:58 am UTC (link)
WORD.

I hate that word mundane. Sounds like a crappy fantasy novel. Sure, sometimes people not in fandom are say rude things about it. But just because you invest yourself in a show doesn't mean that you are better than a casual viewer or start getting all entitled and superior. :P

[/wank, also]

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[info]dreamtoday
2004-10-27 05:34 am UTC (link)
couldn't we vote to kill off the entire annoying cast of L&O:CI and replace them with blow up dolls? the show would improve tenfold immediately. there's your instant gratification for you.

cm

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[info]dawnswalker
2004-10-27 06:25 am UTC (link)
I second this motion!

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[info]wakkymse
2004-10-27 08:10 am UTC (link)
I third this! (I can't even get through an episode of CI without getting bored. Something just isn't right about it.)

-lee

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[info]renata_hpjc
2004-10-27 06:39 pm UTC (link)
It was the egregious plot manipulations that did that show in for me. Twisty plots are all well and good, but when there are six or seven such 180-degree turns in one 42-minute episode it gets to be a bit much. I never like to see the puppet strings.

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[info]marumae
2004-10-27 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Took th ewords right out of my mouth, I vote YAY on this matter.

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[info]ultimate_cin
2004-10-27 05:37 am UTC (link)
What's really amusing is the girl in the article who was quoted as being "blown away" that the producers would resort to such a "reality-TV gimmick." First of all, it's not like this sort of thing hasn't been done before. And second of all - when reality TV is eating up a good portion of the ratings these days, producers of sitcoms and dramas and these sorts of shows are going to do whatever they have to in an attempt to get their ratings back. Such is the TV business.

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[info]diamonde
2004-10-27 06:36 am UTC (link)
First of all, it's not like this sort of thing hasn't been done before.

Damn right. Robin died and the fans killed him, as punishment the heinous crime of not being Dick Grayson. DC was so far ahead of reality tv.

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wankity wank wank
[info]oysteria
2004-10-27 07:30 am UTC (link)
::lapses back into incoherent rage::

Seriously. I'm cataloguing my father's comic book collection, which includes a decent run of the Batman and Detective Comics titles. I've been breaking down the collection into smaller and smaller piles, so everything in the DC pile has been through my hands several times. And every time I see one of the issues of "A Death in the Family," I so pissed off I want to hit people, preferably the jackasses who thought that story up, and the pestilence-ridden geeks who voted for it.

Yes, I carry a grudge like only a long-time comic book reader can. Whither art thou, Doug Moensch?

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Re: wankity wank wank
[info]phosfate
2004-10-27 04:35 pm UTC (link)
Huh. When my friend Shawn told me, "The Joker beat him to death with a wrench," I damn near fell apart laughing.

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[info]oysteria
2004-10-27 06:05 am UTC (link)
By the way, your icon is TEH WINNER.

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[info]phosfate
2004-10-27 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Innit keen? It is by Theodicy over on LJ, and shareable with credit to her.

Although now that I think about it, she may be a him.

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[info]fairy_tale_echo
2004-10-27 10:22 pm UTC (link)
((icon love)) One of my most favorite Morgan lines.

It is almost as good as your subject line for this wank. (snicker) Seriously, if I hear that RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES shit once more...

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2004-10-27 09:13 am UTC (link)
Oh, Wolf Films, did you learn nothing from that whole "Death of Robin Number Two" debacle?

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the writers
[info]dana
2004-10-27 01:08 pm UTC (link)
You know what would be really cool and what I would support, a poll every season to vote off the worst writer (writing team).

Because, in every series there is always one or two...or three writers who just lets the series down and makes the characters say or do things which makes you think WTF...uhuh.

Or just can't write plots to save their lives.

So, to make themselves accountable to the audience, every season at the end, one of those suckers is gonna go, by at least the 4th season we'd have a decent series.

Sounds like a brilliant idea.

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[info]marumae
2004-10-27 05:52 pm UTC (link)
I just love these YOU VOTE! Gimmicks, because I swear half of the time such things the writers know what they want to do but aren't sure how the audience would take it, as it's usually an important event. So they have a "vote" of what the audience wants, just to confirm that yes they want what the writers want.

I'm waiting for the day when a show or comic does this and the writers out right IGNORE what the public wants, because it's so 360 degrees different from what they expected people to vote.

If they did it with Smallville I swear, the writers, OMG you mean the audience Doesn"T like Lana?!! !?!

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