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	lauren 2003-05-25 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	'BNF' stands for 'big name fan' and (in my experience) is used to denote someone who's got a big name ego to go with the name. It's usually derogatory. As for the yaoi, I'd suggest you go find a yaoi board to ask, since they'd probably be better suited to finding you porn that's to your taste. Personally, I have no idea. -elle (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: siegeengine 2003-05-25 07:02 pm UTC (link)
	ah... that's a good point. grazie. hugs (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lasayla 2003-05-25 05:56 pm UTC (link)
	prods post suspiciously with a stick, then posts quiz results instead of replying You are the hivemind! A highly sophisticated form of mob rule, you issue edicts which must be obeyed and rule the community with an iron fist. Unfortunately your memos frequently go astray... Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you? brought to you by Quizilla (Reply to this)(Thread)

	wizzard 2003-05-25 06:32 pm UTC (link)
	Did you create that quiz? It's fantastic. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lasayla 2003-05-25 06:37 pm UTC (link)
	Thank'ee! bows (Reply to this)(Parent)

	katemonkey 2003-05-25 06:52 pm UTC (link)
	You are okay! Perky and abrupt you can quell the most ardent troll with nothing more than hearty agreement. Unfortunately, there is always the danger that you might be taken seriously... Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you? brought to you by Quizilla Ahahahahahahah! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snacky 2003-05-25 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	I love the quiz! You are a beaded pony! Repetitive, yet highly sparkly, you are the result of an amusing typo. Unfortunately, you are dead... Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you? brought to you by Quizilla (Reply to this)(Parent)

	*snerk* ymfaery 2003-05-25 10:25 pm UTC (link)
	You are wacky OTPs! From Timberpot to DannyLee and Squidwarts, you pair up unlikely characters and make them do the nasty. Unfortunately your 'shippy ways have earned you a place in a famous handbasket... Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you? brought to you by Quizilla (Reply to this)(Parent)

	raisedbyhyenas 2003-05-25 10:18 pm UTC (link)
	Can I just say "What the shit is this?!" (Reply to this)

pipssister
2003-05-25 11:01 pm UTC (link)

I definitley think that "What the shit is this?" should have been on there. "Now he dead from coke" would have been fun, too.

Anyway...

Beehive

You are the hivemind!

A highly sophisticated form of mob rule, you issue
edicts which must be obeyed and rule the
community with an iron fist.

Unfortunately your memos frequently go astray...

Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you?
brought to you by Quizilla

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	mpoetess 2003-05-25 11:27 pm UTC (link)
	When did I miss "Now he dead from coke," btw? I'm seeing icons all over, but I don't remember seeing the sourcewank! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	guinevere33 2003-05-26 02:22 am UTC (link)
	I missed it, too. Fortunately, the sourcewank was recently reiterated here. And here's the original wank post in all its glory (this is linked to in the thread above). (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-05-25 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	You are okay! Perky and abrupt you can quell the most ardent troll with nothing more than hearty agreement. Unfortunately, there is always the danger that you might be taken seriously... Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you? brought to you by Quizilla We need "What the shit is this?" too. (Reply to this)

	*cough* beandelphiki 2003-05-26 12:34 am UTC (link)
	We reserve the right to be nice whenever we feel like it. Don't assume that we're going to snark at you if you ask a simple question, like "what's a BNF." Unlike some communities, being a plebe here doesn't automatically make you a target. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: cough siegeengine 2003-05-26 02:02 am UTC (link)
	maybe I bow'ed too much... g (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: cough siegeengine 2003-05-26 03:56 am UTC (link)
	You are a beaded pony! Repetitive, yet highly sparkly, you are the result of an amusing typo. Unfortunately, you are dead... Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you? brought to you by Quizilla Hmm... they don't seem to have "clueless newbie." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: cough iczer6 2003-05-26 09:03 am UTC (link)
	Okay I have to ask, I've seen this around on several LJ and mentioned here as well. What on earth does YMMV stand for? Am I spelling it right? Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: cough heyoka 2003-05-26 09:18 am UTC (link)
	YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary Used when a poster is relating their own experience with a person/product or somesuch and wants to emphasize that their experience may not mirror that of other people. Now I'm hoping you were asking that as a serious question and not just mocking.... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: cough iczer6 2003-05-26 09:21 am UTC (link)
	>>Now I'm hoping you were asking that as a serious question and not just mocking....<< Yes I was. Thanks for clearing that up! [Now a many conversations make a lot more sense.] Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)

	I r0x0r potter_wank 2003-05-26 02:43 am UTC (link)
	You are okay! Perky and abrupt you can quell the most ardent troll with nothing more than hearty agreement. Unfortunately, there is always the danger that you might be taken seriously... Which article of Fandom Wank culture are you? brought to you by Quizilla (Reply to this)

aruru
2003-05-26 07:27 am UTC (link)

Hi, new person as well (been reading for a while, but only got the account so I could reply now).

Anyway, people already answered the BNF thing, so I'll just get to the other question, even if it's admittedly pretty OT, and better suited for a general yaoi community. ^^;

My answer would have to be for me to first ask you: What exactly are you looking for - original yaoi stories or doujinshi featuring fandom couplings? I'm not much help with the first one, but I think I could point you in the general direction of people who could give you recs. As for the latter answer, I could only give a few personal recs for fandoms/pairings I like - other than that, finding what you want is all really a matter of trial and error at the very bottom (that's how I learned to pick out my doujin, personally).

And while we're all still asking n00b questions, can I hijack the thread to ask: What exactly is the meaning of "kerfluffle?" I'm guessing from the context I've seen it used in past posts that it has to do with posting something that is either wanky in and of itself or causes wanky reactions from others, but knowing the exact definition and usage would be much appreciated.

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siegeengine
2003-05-26 08:38 am UTC (link)

omg I don't even know what a doujinshi is... but I'd like to read stuff that is relatively (hot) and relatively (graphic) as far as yaoi goes, and with established pairs that are relatively famous... so that when people talk about anime and yaoi, I'll have half an idea what they're talking about...

I see so many threads about yaoi, and comparing this pair and that pair, as to which is the OTP, etc, but I can't even figure out which magazines or which videos they are from... Searching on eBay didn't help much at all.

Oh, and yeah, I didn't quite figure out the gist of this comm until I had already posted. *blushes* I kinda thought that "fandom" meant all fandoms so I thought that anime/yaoi would be fairly well represented here. *shrugs*

no help on the *kerfluffle* though... I thought it was some kind of display of affection, like a super snuggle or something. Of course... 'ats just a guess...

*hugs*
thanks so much!!

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iczer6
2003-05-26 09:01 am UTC (link)

>>omg I don't even know what a doujinshi is... but I'd like to read stuff that is relatively (hot) and relatively (graphic) as far as yaoi goes, and with established pairs that are relatively famous... so that when people talk about anime and yaoi, I'll have half an idea what they're talking about...<<

Sigh, you're being way to vague.

First doujinshi are fan-made comics, you could consider them as illustrated fanfics.

Second you shouldn't get you series info from doujinshi. You should research the series first and then find what pairings you like and then search for the doujinshi.

Just keep in mind that a doujinshi is not an offical work, so just because you see a pairing in one doesn't mean they're canon.

If you want I could reccomend some series with yaoi themes and couplings.

Icz

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	Re: siegeengine 2003-05-26 10:20 am UTC (link)
	ok.. um.. definitely what I was trying to do was research series and pairings... I tried looking on google, but um... most of what I found was in either japanese or german. boggles so, sure! if there is an "official" series or 2 you could rec, I'd go with that! I think I'm looking more for canon than non-canon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

iczer6
2003-05-26 07:08 pm UTC (link)

Well for yaoi here are some reccomendations.

FAKE: Good series, quite humorous, being translated by TokyoPop so it should be easily available. [The OVA has been available for a while.]

Yami No Matsuei AKA Desendents of the Darkness. Lovely series with a canon yaoi coupling and LOTS of hinting. The manga hasn't been translated yet but the anime is being released on DVD. You can translations for the manga on-line.

Tokyo Bablyon and X/1999 Both done by CLAMP. Great series, TB is a shonen-ai classic, it's hasn't been translated but there are scanlations around, X is partly a continuation of the TB storyline and is being translated by VIZ.

Gundam Wing. This series is a wank and half but it's just dripping with yaoi subtext. Both the manga an anime have been translated.

Hope this helps!

Icz

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ueuecoyotl
2003-05-26 12:16 pm UTC (link)

Adding to Icz's excellent post, because I actually collect doujinshi...

90% of the time the doujinshi will be out of character with godawful icky scenes (I have this doujinshi in my collection that looked innocent on the cover and everthing... and inside was a scene where Wormmon gives a tied up Kaiser a blowjob), most aren't drawn as well as you'd think, and many outright ignore series canon. Thus they REALLY aren't good for judging a series. Think of using Harry Potter fanfic as a sample of the HP canon. 90% of the time you'll run into badfic with improbably pairings that aren't explained well, such radical deviation from the source that it might as well be an original fic, and so on.

If you can't read Japanese, you'll probably only be into doujinshi for the art. Also not very good to get into because you lose a lot of the context when you can't very well read what's going on.

Yaoi-wise, there are several series you can get into where the yaoi pairing is canon. Gravitation and Fake are probably the most famous examples of this. Personally I'm not a big fan of the HEARTS and FLOWERS and BOYS THAT LOOK AND ACT LIKE GIRLS WITH DICKS typecasting that's so common in yaoi, but that's just me. I like slash, not the fangirl yaoi stereotype.

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thanks!!

siegeengine
2003-05-26 12:27 pm UTC (link)

*nods* k the doujinshi makes a lot more sense, now... I imagine that, without the context, it would not be near as interesting. *pouts*

I think I did see "Gravitation" and "Fake" both on eBay, so, cool!! :))) Thanks so much, I'll give one or the other a try... Um... I kinda like the Hearts, flowers, etc... that you talked about, so.. (sorry)

Um... any clue as to what S/K action is? This kinda scares me...
um.. and I'm assuming that both of the series you mentioned are in Japanese? I'm thinking maybe I'm not cut out to look at yaoi, which is kind of a bummer, because the small bits I've seen online look totally cool. *sulks*

somehow, I don't think a japanese/english dictionary would help much, either. :P

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どういたしまして

ueuecoyotl
2003-05-26 02:54 pm UTC (link)

If you like the fnagirl yaoi stereotype, you shouldn't be disappointed by yaoi then. As I am not of the straight persuasion, nor are many of my friends, it just bugs me, that's all ;).

Yes, both Gravitation and Fake are in Japanese (and are animated), though I'm sure you can find Gravitation fansubbed with things like WinMX, and I know I've seen Fake subtitled too. Whether it was a domestically released subtitled tape or fansub, I don't remember. The Gravitation manga will be translated by TokyoPop, though I'm not sure if the Fake manga has been translated yet. If you look hard enough for translations, the language barrier shouldn't be too much a problem. Oh, and I've never head of S/K, but this is probably because I am a hermit.

Japanese/English dictionaries only help to look up words you don't know. They're no replacement for proper formal language classes and don't generally offer much help in understanding grammar. And grammar is just as integral to understanding a language as vocabulary. And...

はい、日本語を読みます。(笑)

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siegeengine
2003-05-26 03:29 pm UTC (link)

yikes... even my comp can't tell me what you're saying.. ;)

oh, but no... not straight here either..
eh. Christ, isn't anyone straight, anymore?

;)

*nods* about the language... I'm a little linguistically impaired as far as 2nd and 3rd languages go... so not much chance of that. I'm afraid that too much of my brain has calcified due to my advanced years.

I hadn't thought of fansubs, though. that's cool!!

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Someone Wank This!

iczer6
2003-05-27 04:13 am UTC (link)

Sorry but I have no idea how to post wanks and this is just way to good to pass up.

Remember our good friends the Anti-Yaoi LJ group? Well they've realized that they were coming off as bigoted assholes with deep set sexual insecurities they've changed the name Anti-OoC Yaoi.

That in itself doesn't seem too wanky but you have to look at the page. It's very, very pink. That and they seemed to have removed any topics where Percy-Weatherby handed them their ass, and they've disabled anonyomous posting.

See for yourselves: http://www.livejournal.com/community/anti_yaoi/

Icz

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	Re: Someone Wank This! morganya 2003-05-27 06:18 am UTC (link)
	Ask and it shall be done. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Someone Wank This! aruru 2003-05-27 06:54 am UTC (link)
	wavies I just looked, and posting wank is exactly the same as posting in the LJ communities you're in. Just look for the "Full Update" link on the left (you know, the one you see when you're doing stuff like looking at replies and the like). It's just like LJ, just a different layout. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Someone Wank This! iczer6 2003-05-27 07:39 am UTC (link)
	Great. Thanks for the help! Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Someone Wank This! aruru 2003-05-27 08:55 am UTC (link)
	Not a problem, just figured you'd want to know for future reference. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	allen 2003-05-26 09:27 am UTC (link)
	kerfuffle/kerfluffle: any situation that pops up when people disagree loudly and with much vitriol. A wanky situation. See: Smallville fandom, DataLounge, and the fandom_wank archives. God, my brain is fried and I've turned into a dictionary. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	aruru 2003-05-26 10:57 am UTC (link)
	Ah, thanks! Now I can follow its usage better. Does anyone know what brought on the use of this term, like who coined it or whatever? It's just such an odd choice. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	queerasjohn 2003-05-26 01:38 pm UTC (link)
	My mum's used "kerfuffle" ever since I can remember to mean "general fighty-thing". It's used by f_w but is not a f_w created word. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lexin 2003-05-26 01:39 pm UTC (link)
	I think it may be British slang in origin...at least, I can remember my family and friends using it when I was very small, and I'm British. It must be pretty obscure slang even then, because it doesn't appear in my Shorter Oxford English Dictionary. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	vanilla_tiger 2003-05-26 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	I'm British and I use kerfluffle quite a bit. Only over the internet have I met people who don't know what it means. Perhaps its a regional thing? Since we're doing the whole newbie thing, would anyone mind explaining to me the whole beaded pony in-joke? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

hugsnkisses
2003-05-26 11:12 pm UTC (link)

Man, the beaded the pony goes back to Blurty (which wasn't so long ago actually...) so I can't give you the original source material but if I remember correctly it was because of the Tinhats.

There was aheckofalot of wanks about it one week and someone (possibly sagra) commented that not only was the horse dead (as in "beating a dead horse") it was stuffed, mounted and beaded. I made an icon out of it *points to above* and from there a legend was born.

Or something. Dammit, there have been so many wanks they all seem to blend together now!

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	sagralisse 2003-05-27 02:26 am UTC (link)
	I'm sure beaded was a typo. Someone typed "bead" rather than "beat." That's back when we tended to go off on tangents more. (Reply to this)(Parent)

aruru
2003-05-27 07:00 am UTC (link)

I guess it must be, because despite being a foreigner, I'm fairly well-acquainted with most American slang. So this was totally new to me.

*looks @ your icon* Heh heh, and here I thought it was the Toei PR Devils' attempt to deny the power of DaiKen. ;)

(Then again, I never saw much of the first season, and only some of 02, so I never really got to see much of that.)

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ueuecoyotl
2003-05-27 09:43 am UTC (link)

Speaking (typing?) as the one who made the icon, I had originally wanted to do a Taichi/Sora icon because good LORD have you seen the vicious wanking over episode 50? I recall the biggest flame-war on the former fanfiction.net forums were the pro-Taichi/Sora people saying that theirs was the ONE TRUE PAIRING and the Yamato/Sora people coming after them. Unfortunately, I had an usually hard time finding pics of Taichi and Sora sharing the same screen.

Then, IT came. Grace said at one point that she had gotten e-mails from people who said that there were secret yaoi (Taichi/Yamato specifically) eps that were never broadcasted in the US, and their supposed friend with an insider source to Toei said so, SO THERE. Also, I had that image sitting on my HD for awhile. And the decision was made.

So, it was mostly due to convenience, rumors of yaoi eps... and as wanky as DaiKen fandom has been at times, it wasn't quite up to Taito levels.

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vanilla_tiger
2003-05-28 02:12 am UTC (link)

Thanks once more for the icon.

Episode 50 broke my heart. I was a young and innocent Taito fangirl and half-believed all those rumours on the internet that they would come out in the third series. I wouldn't have minded Taiora but Sorato just felt jammed in for the sake of it.

I keep away from Daiken fans as they often have a nasty habit of bashing my Miyako, who I worship and adore.

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	msmanna 2003-05-27 12:46 pm UTC (link)
	The OED gives it as Scottish, with the earliest recorded usage at the beginning of the 19th century: Also carfuffle, cafuffle, etc. [f. prec. vb. Now widely used as a colloquialism in the forms GEFUFFLE and (esp.) KERFUFFLE.] Disorder, flurry, agitation. (Reply to this)(Parent)