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	yadda 2003-05-27 04:48 am UTC (link)
	Haven't the originators of the wank, Bilbo Baggins and friends, showed up on fandom wank before? I think they were claming to be the standard bearers in the crusade for a better, smarter, bitchier Harry Potter fandom then, too. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-05-27 04:51 am UTC (link)
	Maybe they were part of the Plebe wank from a while back. Crusade. Hee! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	yadda 2003-05-27 05:01 am UTC (link)
	That sounds right. Bilbo did use the word plebe several times with much viciousness. Good to know that somebody is out there doing the thankless job keeping the grammar-challenged plebe trash from overrunning us all. wipes away tear (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-05-27 05:04 am UTC (link)
	She is a martyr for the cause. Domlijah bless her for doing such work. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ereshkigal 2003-05-27 05:08 am UTC (link)
	smacks you for the mental image of Jesus!Dom blessing the unwashed masses of fandom_wank Though it does beg the question, which apostle is which? twitches (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-05-27 05:11 am UTC (link)
	lights candle (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ereshkigal 2003-05-27 05:14 am UTC (link)
	Now now, none of that. We don't need to put in anymore fire hazards. ^_~ We have more than enough flames for that as is. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-05-27 05:17 am UTC (link)
	Are you sure? I just want to do my part for the fandom and all. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ereshkigal 2003-05-27 05:27 am UTC (link)
	Nah, I think we have more than enough stuff to knock over for some decent arson. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	loeb_n_leopold 2003-05-27 11:11 am UTC (link)
	claps hands together I know this one! Sean Astin = Judas. Am I right? I'm right, right? Right? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lasayla 2003-05-27 04:49 pm UTC (link)
	Back tinhat leper! Sean Astin is like Jesus in a way! _{(I'm going to have to ditch this icon soon. It's sparkly and all but I just can't take the seizures any more. Does this mean I'm oppressing The Gay?)} (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	aruru 2003-05-28 11:32 am UTC (link)
	(I'm going to have to ditch this icon soon. It's sparkly and all but I just can't take the seizures any more. Does this mean I'm oppressing The Gay?) You know, every time I look at that icon, I keep expecting it to flash the word "catboy" at the end. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lulinda 2003-05-27 05:05 pm UTC (link)
	I think he shares duties with Sir Ian. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hugsnkisses 2003-05-28 02:39 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, I believe he was. He's a member of antiplebe or whatever that LJ group is called and seems to have no reservations about posting strong, dissenting opinions on the fandom. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-05-29 01:59 am UTC (link)
	Yes, but do not post a stong dissenting opinion about the wankiness of Antiplebe. Because, yanno, they have a purpose while fandom wankers are just l00sers. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	uniquesnowflake 2003-05-27 06:42 am UTC (link)
	Wow. I find this particularly amusing, because this Bilbo Baggins character, whoever she(heit?) is, has left me some really, er, dumb reviews on my stuff over at ArtisticAlley. And when I say dumb, I don't mean "disagreeing with my artistic license." I mean really effing stupid and pointless. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-05-27 05:05 pm UTC (link)
	Are you sure you just couldn't understand her higher standardy way of reviewing? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aruru 2003-05-27 06:44 am UTC (link)
	I know I always choose a fandom based on its "standards" and not, say, the source material. You know, a few days ago I wrote a rant that is kinda sorta tangentially related to this comment of yours. Now I'm waiting for word-of-mouth among my pals to do its thing, and hopefully I'll get some hilarious kerfluffery in reply. (Reply to this)

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hakainokami
2003-05-27 08:11 am UTC (link)

That bad fic is as dangerouse as second hand smoke- that it is in fact a cancer?

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That bad fic is as dangerouse as second hand smoke- that it is in fact a cancer?
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	Re: Did you know? aruru 2003-05-27 08:48 am UTC (link)
	Uh, that link's all wrong. it doesn't lead to where you're referring to. ;_; (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Did you know? lasayla 2003-05-27 04:54 pm UTC (link)
	No, but this one should. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Did you know? snacky 2003-05-27 05:38 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. Badfic = cancer. And this: Those writers who aren't simply mediocre, but abysmally bad should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. I think this could win Wank of the Year, simply for this one post. Lulinda, I do hope you were paying attention. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Did you know? lulinda 2003-05-27 05:44 pm UTC (link)
	i co0dnT uNd3rSt4nD h3r!! 2 m4n33 biG w0rdZ!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Did you know? wizzard 2003-05-27 06:49 pm UTC (link)
	I sound terribly condescending, but please, do ignore that for the moment. I don't think I can ignore it, since it's completely overwhelming. Wow. I like bad fanfiction more than well written fiction. I guess I'm just a dirty cancer lover. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Did you know? snacky 2003-05-27 09:33 pm UTC (link)
	Gosh, I love badfic. I'm a badfic aficianado. I guess that means I'm helping to spread a killer throughout fandom. All this "anti-plebe" stuff is fantastic. Keep bringing the wank, HP fandom! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Did you know? pradaloz 2003-05-28 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	Those writers who aren't simply mediocre, but abysmally bad should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Pfft. Whatever. Badfic is a national treasure. It's to be cherished--nay, cultivated! It's the mediocre writing that's a big fat waste of time and space. DUH. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Did you know? raisedbyhyenas 2003-05-27 06:09 pm UTC (link)
	The moral of the story - or something - is that badly-written fic is a cancer and needs to be excised before it takes over and kills us all. Luverly. I should have been dead years ago. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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aruru
2003-05-28 12:02 pm UTC (link)

*clicks it and reads*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

*wipes tears*

Oh man, everything everyone else said already. And I love how she's awarding points for "phrasing eloquence." You best back da fuck up if you know what's good for ya, Lulinda!

The ones that are just mediocre and have at least basic technical skill, or that little spark that makes a story come to life, should be nurtured. Like mushrooms. We can keep them in the dark and feed them sh...concrit.

I'm supposing that's the ~~shit~~ concrit they're too full of themselves, right?

I also love how writing badfic = self-destructive behavior.

Now to get on my moral high horse

You mean you weren't on it already? Wow.

Someone should do it. And I'd say "I will," except I'm such a rude arrogant cow...well, who'd listen to little me?

Actually, I probably wouldn't do it. Contribute, yes, but I'd never want to run it. Last thing I want to do is become a BNF in any way, shape or form, that's just creepy and I'm not the leader type.

Someone should paraphrase that one quote from that article criticizing one of the American Idol finalists a while back, and answer her with that. Lessee, how'd that go again...?

...oh yeah.

"You can throw the BNF-sized fit after you score a BNF-sized hit."

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	Re: Did you know? lulinda 2003-05-29 02:07 am UTC (link)
	backs up (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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aruru
2003-05-29 05:35 am UTC (link)

......I guess that could be used as the ocassional alternative to "Okay!", then.

*backs da fuck up too*

(OT: And I hate you, piece of crap ISP that keeps flaking out every 10 minutes and eating posts. And some hate on LJ today for crapping out YET AGAIN while I was in the middle of posting potential kerfluffery-inducing observations on MS Report. Down with TEH COSNPIRATECY against entertainment! BOO!)

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	Re: Did you know? lulinda 2003-05-29 05:42 am UTC (link)
	whispers i don't think she appreciated the eloquence of my post... now that i think about it... whispers backs up even more (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Did you know? hakainokami 2003-05-27 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	Possibly because i'm very bad at html. very bad.Even worse than my spelling. Someone else who is not bad posted a working link. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Did you know? aruru 2003-05-28 12:05 pm UTC (link)
	S'ok. Everyone screws up their posts once in a while. (Reply to this)(Parent)

bardsong
2003-05-28 01:34 am UTC (link)

Here's my question. Do these people (in the thread I admittedly can't stomach reading right now) want us all to have the *same* standards? Who's to say that my definition of badfic is consistent with anyone else's?

And if you want to not read the 'cancer' that is badfic, why the hell are you hanging out on places like Fanfiction.net and Fiction Alley, which appear to publish just about anything? :-P]

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	lulinda 2003-05-28 06:39 am UTC (link)
	And if you want to not read the 'cancer' that is badfic, why the hell are you hanging out on places like Fanfiction.net and Fiction Alley, which appear to publish just about anything? :-P] Because then you can't puff up your ego? Who knows, man. I just read what I like. Though I do like to bad RPS. Mmmm! Is sooooooo good! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

pradaloz
2003-05-28 06:26 pm UTC (link)

Because then you can't puff up your ego?

Bingo-bango, I think we've got a winner. I've been scratching my head for years now as to why certain groups of people hang around boards for no other apparent reason than to bitch about how stupid everyone else there is. One would think that if intelligent discourse was what they were after, they'd go somewhere else. Some people like to pretend they're the big fish in a small pond. Big ponds and other big fish are too threatening.

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	lulinda 2003-05-29 02:09 am UTC (link)
	Word man. That is seriously my best guess. (Reply to this)(Parent)

hugsnkisses
2003-05-28 03:07 pm UTC (link)

Exactly. I started off in fandom reading bad fic (is there anyone who didn't?) and loved it. Gradually as time went on I learnt to discern what "good" and "bad" fic was and considered myself well educated. A few months after that I came back to a fic I hadn't finished but which I thought was one of the best ones I had ever read. It was awful. Not completely, but enough for any of you to denounce as "bad fic".

So we shouldn't judge; I feel "enlightened" now, secure that I am a fanfiction connoisseur. Able to rant about "showing not telling", and character developement and the like. But really, I think I'd be just as happy back reading terrible Gundam Wing mary-sues, if not more so. Then, I'd read a story no matter what - and truely enjoy it. And I did enjoy them, I cried over one of the bloody things. So yes, we can rant about mary-sues, and the death of good fanfiction etc. but they're happy. And isn't that just what we all want? A happy, peaceful fandom?

*snerks* Well, maybe not. Then what would become of our darling FW?

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aruru
2003-05-28 03:50 pm UTC (link)

Exactly. This was the same as me back when I discovered the existence of FF7 fandom way back when. I even read some shit that if I looked back on it now, not only was it bad, but potentially rather squicky. (Ah, bad!squick... somehow always squickier in my eyes than regular, run of the mill squick, even if it's actually tamer.)

So yeah, how would we be able to develop any personal standards without badfic around, to compare against the good stuff? It'd be like having a scale with no weights. Or maybe the other way around. Whatever.

Taste is something that is developed with time, experience, and amount of exposure to the subject matter. Which is why the older fans (not necessarily in age, just in years of fandom) who don't seem to develop their tastes at all over time baffle me - it kinda shows a lack of growth. Or something like that, I'm not quite sure how to word what I'm trying to say.

It's too goddamn early for me to try to be articulate. *ZONK* zzzZZZZ...

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