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maggie gets mad ([info]stubbleglitter) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-05-30 08:03:00
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Current mood:annoyed

mmmmm, kentucky fried elijah
Ooooh! People slapping each other over wingfic!

Why do people write subjects I don't understand? I don't understand!!


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[info]sajasma
2003-05-30 07:33 pm UTC (link)
I got wanked!!! WEE!!!

P.S. I actually don't understand this subject. Why do ordinary human beings suddenly sprout wings? Just sayin.

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[info]phosfate
2003-05-30 07:38 pm UTC (link)
::pats you::

There there. There there.

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(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2003-05-30 09:34 pm UTC

coreopsis
2003-05-30 07:39 pm UTC (link)
Magical realism doesn't require a why. That's where the magic comes in. ;-)

But hey, it's not my cuppa either, so I have no idea why people feel moved to write it. Why do people write anything? I'm sure there are as many reasons as there are writers.


What amuses me most is how many people seemed to have been a)previously unaware of the genre [subgenre? eh. whatever] and/or b)think it started in lotrips.

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(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2003-05-30 07:53 pm UTC
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[info]stubbleglitter
2003-05-30 08:05 pm UTC (link)
You're very welcome. *g*

And, eh--it's a genre like any other, like alternate realities or turning-into-girls or hell, slash, for that matter. Wings are pretty and interesting when done right; there's some really good ones in popslash. In fact, just about anything is pretty when done right, as far as I can tell. Oh, except tentacle sex. Meh!

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(no subject) - [info]raisedbyhyenas, 2003-05-30 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stubbleglitter, 2003-05-30 08:13 pm UTC
Characterization?! NOOOOOOO!!! - [info]raisedbyhyenas, 2003-05-30 08:31 pm UTC
Re: Characterization?! NOOOOOOO!!! - [info]stubbleglitter, 2003-05-30 08:36 pm UTC
Re: Characterization?! NOOOOOOO!!! - [info]raisedbyhyenas, 2003-05-30 09:52 pm UTC
Re: Characterization?! NOOOOOOO!!! - [info]singe, 2003-05-31 05:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pradaloz, 2003-05-30 08:18 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-05-30 08:36 pm UTC

[info]mrbimble
2003-05-30 07:46 pm UTC (link)
I thought it was amusing to see how many people rushed in to defend their particular... kink. The wank is in the response.

Sajasma wrote that she doesn't get the premise (neither do I, but that's beside the point), that the stories she's seen are excruiatingly bad and pointless.

So?

That makes her untolerant and close-minded?

Can I sit in the "bad corner" with you Sajasma? We can watch the wanking go by...

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[info]phosfate
2003-05-30 07:48 pm UTC (link)
I liked the woman who writes Hornblower mpreg but can't wrap her mind around somebody growing wings.

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(no subject) - [info]uniquesnowflake, 2003-05-30 08:23 pm UTC
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[info]sajasma
2003-05-30 07:52 pm UTC (link)
*opens a bag of greasy doritos* I love that comment where crackmonkeymary flamed me the best. *frames it*

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2003-05-30 08:39 pm UTC
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Re: - [info]singe, 2003-05-30 09:05 pm UTC
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Re: - [info]singe, 2003-05-31 04:17 am UTC

[info]stubbleglitter
2003-05-30 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Whoa, doggie. I think you misunderstood the tone of my post, which was basically, "Lookit! Earnest Discussion about the merits (or lack thereof) of slapping wings on pretty boys! We sure argue about dumb things, don't we?" The wank is all over, in my opinion.

But then, I understand wingfic and like some of it, so what do I know? ^_^

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-05-30 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2003-05-30 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stubbleglitter, 2003-05-30 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2003-05-30 09:36 pm UTC

[info]embitca
2003-05-30 08:27 pm UTC (link)
I didn't find the responses particularly wanky. I don't see how defending the concept of Wingfic is any different than defending Slash or RPS or AU fic or whatever.

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[info]embitca
2003-05-30 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Oh, this cracked me up a lot:

Gone are notions of decent characterization, and even when dealing with Real People Slash, one can go awry in this. And once again, wings, like rape, are a cheap plot device for insta-angst. (Just add tears!)

Yes, 'cause wings are just like rape! Bwa! I just....no words.

Like any genre, I've seen some bad wingfic and some good wingfic in popslash. Maybe the problem is no one's written any good LOTRIPS wingfic yet. Of course, the OP still may not like it, but that's just a matter of personal taste and not really worthy of condemning an entire subgenre as badfic. I mean I hate MPREG and there's probably some good MPREG out there, right? Right? Anyone? Bueller? ;)

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[info]phosfate
2003-05-30 08:27 pm UTC (link)
Are wings like Jesus? In a way?

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(no subject) - [info]stubbleglitter, 2003-05-30 08:33 pm UTC
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[info]sajasma
2003-05-30 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Well, I was being all post modern and self-referential with that above statement. I'm not actually connecting wings with rape, but I am saying that the plot device of wings, like the plot device of rape, is used to instantly characterize a character or to force an atmosphere of angst.

Perhaps I should have been more articulate, but I'm a t00b.

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(no subject) - [info]tinfoil_portia, 2003-05-30 09:05 pm UTC
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[info]snacky
2003-05-30 09:10 pm UTC (link)
I mean I hate MPREG and there's probably some good MPREG out there, right? Right? Anyone? Bueller? ;)

I hate MPREG too. But once, when I was young and impressionable and didn't know any better, I read a good one. Of course, I haven't reread it in years, and it might not hold up, but still. I remember it as good. So there's at least one good MPREG in the world.

::stands ready to be mocked::

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(no subject) - coreopsis, 2003-05-30 09:14 pm UTC
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lain7
2003-05-30 09:17 pm UTC (link)
I mean I hate MPREG and there's probably some good MPREG out there, right? Right? Anyone?

Do not tempt me. =b

Mpreg is one of the most innovative slash subgenres, if not the most. Some truly, um, stunning fics there. For example, Not Wanted. Also, In The Blink Of An Eye.

Badfic is the superior a legitimate art form!

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(no subject) - [info]stubbleglitter, 2003-05-30 09:29 pm UTC
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[info]sorchar
2003-05-31 01:29 am UTC (link)
I've only ever read one MPREG that was really good, and the author went to a lot of trouble and research to formulate a half-way logical reason that the guy got pregnant.

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[info]diamonde
2003-05-31 02:15 am UTC (link)
*shudders* Noo, not MPREG...

If they can come up with something that's biologically reasonable and the plot makes sense without the impregnated character having a lobotomy, then fine. But the anatomy-raping pieces of femminized crap that are what we usually get need to be tarred, feathered and burned in effigy. Do they know what would happen to their precious effeminate little bottom the way they write it? He'd die. Dead like a doornail! D-E-D dead. Ick. Makes my teeth itch.

*uses the icon with the little labcoat for pretentiousness*

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[info]starkeymonster
2003-06-01 06:13 am UTC (link)
The only MPREG that didn't make me run screaming was Beth's Expectations series because it's funny as shit. Still, I periodically have those moments of "aieeee! MPREG!!!" and have read some smutty porn to clean my brain.

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[info]misswindy
2003-05-30 11:49 pm UTC (link)
I think you may have found something more inexplicable to me than "furries".

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[info]sajasma
2003-05-31 12:39 am UTC (link)
Exactly. I mean, with birds? God knows what kind of diseases you can get there.

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(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2003-05-31 12:57 am UTC
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[info]mirabellawotr
2003-05-31 02:45 am UTC (link)
I just want to say how much I love the fact that wingfic has been a subgenre in other fandoms for months at least and not been a big deal to anyone, whereas the moment it gets introduced into LotRiPS fandom, it immediately takes on the less appealing qualities of weapons-grade plutonium and causes huge flamewars and ruffled feelings and indignant LJ entries left and right.

Seems to me that this is another instance of Fandom only being Fucking Funny when it's not you people are laughing at.

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[info]sajasma
2003-05-31 03:11 am UTC (link)
and causes huge flamewars and ruffled feelings and indignant LJ entries left and right.

No pun intended, right?

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(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-05-31 07:43 am UTC
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[info]mynxkittie
2003-05-31 04:12 am UTC (link)
Any fic that has a radical occurence without a suitable explanation for it is retarded. End of story.

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(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2003-05-31 04:35 am UTC
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I got it! - [info]ymfaery, 2003-05-31 11:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2003-05-31 08:33 am UTC
Re: - [info]mynxkittie, 2003-05-31 08:37 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-01 06:33 am UTC
Being serious for a second... - [info]slippery_fish, 2003-06-02 12:04 am UTC

[info]aruru
2003-05-31 11:18 am UTC (link)
Damn, I'm gone for a day and I miss out on all the funny.

Anyway, aside from the main wank, I also noticed a potential bit of mini-wank on this thread:

...Keanu? Hellblazer?

You're not kidding. I do weep--christ, about the only thing that could've been on par with that is "They're making Hellblazer anime!" (of course, if it was a crossover and was actually Sailor Hellblazer, that could be funny...and sick...and funny)

Because you know, it's totally impossible for animation to do a decent representation of a printed story, just like it's totally impossible for the live-action film version of something like LotR to carry some of the spirit of the original books. Especially when, according to the info given, this is a graphic novel we're talking about

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(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2003-05-31 08:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-01 01:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2003-06-01 02:25 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2003-06-01 04:14 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2003-06-01 05:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-01 05:34 am UTC
Dude... - [info]redconverse, 2003-06-01 07:19 am UTC
Re: Dude... - [info]aruru, 2003-06-01 09:23 am UTC
<3 <3 <3 - [info]palingenesis, 2003-06-02 03:47 am UTC
Re: <3 <3 <3 - [info]redconverse, 2003-06-05 02:49 am UTC
By the way....
[info]redconverse
2003-06-01 12:49 pm UTC (link)
How much could I be paid to write a Brad Dourif Antlerfic? Like, he could get all angsty, and finish the rest of the next movie wearing a turban, and no one would notice.

It'd be a hit. I promise.

Geez, do I enjoy the fact that Dourif is under-appreciated, at times like this.

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GIP!
[info]amandatwop
2003-06-02 02:52 am UTC (link)
It had to be done.

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Re: GIP! - [info]ymfaery, 2003-06-02 12:06 pm UTC

  
   
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