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victoriacatlady ([info]victoriacatlady) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-01-03 03:32:00


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Publisher wank
I originally posted this in my own Live Journal as [info]victoriacatlady, asking if a member of fandom_wank could post it there. I got a response that fandom_wank is suspended and has been moved to www.journalfen.net, so I'm trying to post it there. I don't know if it will accept it without my having a Journalfen account, but we'll see. [Edit: no, it didn't, so I created one.]

http://www.nightshadebooks.com/discus/messages/53/3159.html

In summary, there is, or was, an SF magazine named "Brutarian." The editor either resigned or was fired and posted a public notice that the magazine was defunct. The publisher of the magazine responded that it was still going and anyone who had been accepted previously was still going to be published in it. That was back in September. So far, so good.

At the end of November, one writer posted that in fact she had been told that her story would not be published after all, in spite of the publisher's public word that it would be. She added that she'd heard from other writers who also were not being published after previously having been accepted.

At the end of December, the publisher responded with a couple of patronizing postings saying, in essence, that a story was not accepted unless *he* said it was accepted or unless the editor had presented the writer with "a legally executed document in which I made him [the editor] my agent."

How foolish of a writer to think that the editor of a magazine has the authority to accept a story she has written.


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[info]ashenmote
2005-01-03 01:59 pm UTC (link)
unless the editor had presented the writer with "a legally executed document in which I made him [the editor] my agent."


Why, yes. And whenever you buy stuff at Walmart you should demand to see a valid document, signed by Sam Walton and stating that the cashier in question is entitled to handle money transactions for him. You never know!

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-03 05:43 pm UTC (link)
<= LOVE your icon.

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[info]skarrow
2005-01-03 08:20 pm UTC (link)
If not, you should hardly complain when they come to repossess your television, children, or soul...

[I'm sorry. I'm not bitter about red tape or anything.]

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[info]mariagoner
2005-01-04 07:53 am UTC (link)
Awesome icon! May I please please please please swipe?!

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[info]ashenmote
2005-01-04 09:29 am UTC (link)
Thanks! Yes, it is swipeable, but you must treat it well.

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-03 09:52 pm UTC (link)
This Brutarian fellow is talking out of his ass. Cool that Ellen Datlow and Jeff VanderMeer called him on it.

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-03 10:29 pm UTC (link)
Wow, Ellen Datlow, I have to admit that I'm impressed.

thelana from livejournal

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-03 10:10 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Is that the publisher and former editor smacking each other upside the head with socks full of horse manure? I thought these guys were supposed to be professionals or something.

Also, his law degree is pastede on YAY!

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[info]telophase
2005-01-03 11:30 pm UTC (link)
With the way the publisher is acting, I'd be surprised if the editor was fired, instead of quitting. Working with people who operate with completely different rules from the rest of reality is ... stressful (she says from bitter experience).

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-03 11:38 pm UTC (link)
OK, I give in -- WTF?! What's up with all the otf_w wank that's snailing its way into f_w? Where's the fandom tie? Who in God's name cares unless a BNF's fragile hopes and dreams are being crushed, or unless money for a laptop/iPod is being snatched from the hands of starving fangirls?

-- poor little S. Mouse

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[info]annabelle_lee
2005-01-04 12:05 am UTC (link)
Take a pill and calm down, mousie. SF is a fandom all in its' own, yes? And SF=Science fiction? Right?

Oop. Pesky earth logic snuck in. How silly of me. Wank on!

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[info]solelyfictional
2005-01-04 12:07 am UTC (link)
Going from the mention of Livejournal, I suspect this person hasn't been around f_w for a while, possibly before otf_wank. Admittedly, there's the community info, but after the rules it's easy to let your eyes glaze over when you hit that ever-increasing list of alternate communities.

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[info]victoriacatlady
2005-01-04 02:35 pm UTC (link)
And you are exactly right. If I had not let my eyes glaze over, I probably would have posted it in otf_wank.

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[info]teratologist
2005-01-04 01:44 am UTC (link)
If you try to claim that SF isn't a fandom, we're going to have to sic Old!Cranky!Ray Bradbury on you.

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[info]platedlizard
2005-01-04 05:56 am UTC (link)
Yay! Our icons are herp-related!

Ahem. Or you could sic my 97 year old great-grandma on the Anny Mice. Granny is probably one of the oldest SF fans still living and STILL wanks with the best of them. I only wish Fandom Wank existed during her finest years. Alas, she never got the hang of the internet.

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[info]ashenmote
2005-01-04 09:39 am UTC (link)
I guess mousey doesn't know that the term 'BNF' was coined in the SF fandom, right?

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-04 01:09 pm UTC (link)
Actually, mousey knows about that -- mousey only thought, however, that "SF" was too general a term and did not define an explicit fandom so much as a genre - and mousey was also a slight miffed with recent wank reports as belonging to otf_wank rather than here.

...in other words, mousey was wanking. *hangs head in shame* Mea culpa. I'll stop speaking about myself in third person now.

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[info]ashenmote
2005-01-04 01:36 pm UTC (link)
But speaking about yourself in the third person is sexy! Unless you're Miles from the X-Men, that is.

For me, I was so moved that the OP went such a long way to bring us this borderline fandom/otf_ wank that I just can't build up enough wrath if she maybe stopped a step short of the target line.

I guess my righteous anger is for the 'this possibly belongs into so-and-so wank, but I'll post it here anyway' suckers for the larger audience.

And why don't you just get yourself a journal? *pokes mouse*
Everyone loves you and no one dares to answer you back when you have a username! It's great! :)

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[info]puipui
2005-01-04 11:17 pm UTC (link)
I dare! *answers you back*

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[info]ashenmote
2005-01-05 04:38 am UTC (link)
But...but you are not supposed...
*stares at you in helpless rage*

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-04 12:09 am UTC (link)
'Publisher wank' /= 'fandom wank'

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[info]ashenmote
2005-01-04 01:33 am UTC (link)
I think at this point it would be wise to set up a panel of anon experts for a thorough debate of this equation.

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[info]puipui
2005-01-04 03:17 am UTC (link)
anonymous idiot /= wanka authority

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[info]delcj
2005-01-04 05:48 am UTC (link)
apparently, to the Anonymous, the fact that an SF magazine exists does not mean there is a market (i.e. SF fen) for it.

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[info]platedlizard
2005-01-04 06:00 am UTC (link)
Honey, SF writer/publisher wank is the very finest wank there is. Very traditional too, I can only imagine the kind of wank that occurred when Amazing Stories tanked.

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*looks at all the SF books on her shelves, on the floor, stacked on the tv.....*
[info]aycelcus
2005-01-04 06:41 am UTC (link)
I bet there's a veritable fountain of wank stashed somewhere between the writing of these stories and the publication of these stories. Otherwise, how would Anne Rice survive?

And I grew up on SF fandom. We have the FINEST in wank. LIke gouda cheese, it's so fragrant.

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Re: *looks at all the SF books on her shelves, on the floor, stacked on the tv.....*
[info]platedlizard
2005-01-04 07:27 am UTC (link)
I bet there's a veritable fountain of wank stashed somewhere between the writing of these stories and the publication of these stories.

That's almost enough to make me want to get into the fen more. I keep trying and trying, but most SF turns me off... Maybe I need to stop trying to read Heinlein. And Mz. McCaffery traumitized me with her Mary-Sue version of Pern. *glares at her father for buying DragonKin*

But the wank, I can only imagine the wank in those old SF magazines.

OT: I understand that the Romance genre is wanky as hell, the authors, pubishers, and readers; but I never see any of it posted here. Not enough Romance readers on this comm?

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[info]delcj
2005-01-04 11:21 am UTC (link)

i second the motion for some Romance genre wankyness!

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[info]byagghametta
2005-01-04 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Romance...genre...wank.

You know, I'm POSITIVE there's a self-induced joke in there.

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[info]delcj
2005-01-06 06:52 am UTC (link)
;) as you should be. in the Romance genre, such wonderful phrasings as "throbbing member" come with the territory.

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Re: *looks at all the SF books on her shelves, on the floor, stacked on the tv.....*
[info]ymfaery
2005-01-04 10:48 pm UTC (link)
More like too old. But I bet during the Janet Dailey plagiarism scandal the wank was knee-high.

And it would help if I was more up-to-date with my mailing lists.

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[info]delcj
2005-01-05 03:27 am UTC (link)

ooo!!! Janet Dailey plagiarism scandal?! do tell!

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One quick Google search later...
[info]ymfaery
2005-01-05 04:11 am UTC (link)
It was a while ago--summer of 1997. Basically Dailey lifted word-for-word scenes from several of Nora Roberts' novels and used them in her own novels. (Fans were also wanking rolling eyes at the tone of this article and several others similar to it.) Since both Roberts and Dailey were NYT Best Selling authors, and romance fans tend to read multiple authors, IMO it was a pretty dumb thing to do, but when Dailey confessed she said she was "experiencing extreme psychological distress" at the time and didn't really know what she was doing. Yeah, right, pull the other leg, bitch.

The whole thing got brought up again in 2001 when Dailey signed a multi-book deal with Kensington. Here's a thread from a romance message board about it.

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Re: One quick Google search later...
[info]delcj
2005-01-05 04:39 am UTC (link)
whoa, that was way back when i still read their books and hadn't gotten mired in the internets yet! ^_^

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Re: One quick Google search later...
[info]mistressrenet
2005-01-05 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Dude, I remember that! That was weird.

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Re: *looks at all the SF books on her shelves, on the floor, stacked on the tv.....*
[info]aycelcus
2005-01-05 09:12 pm UTC (link)
The only McCaffery I can read is Dragonsong and Dragonsinger, and those were originally young adult novels... Kinda speaks for her compentency level, don't you think? And I prefer Joan D. Vinge or Elizabeth Moon, really.

... I don't see too many Romance fans among the sf/fantasy fen either. *frowns* Unless you count the horror genre, and the Laura K. Hamilton Fen. The Anita Blake novels are toeing the romance/smut line with glee...

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[info]jedilora
2005-01-04 09:17 am UTC (link)
Dude, YES. The letters to the editor pages! I did a paper on SF fen through the early twentieth century last semester, and man oh man-wank. Old fashioned wank, so it was rather polite, but still.

Wank. Which led to conventions.

I love my fendom.

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[info]platedlizard
2005-01-04 09:34 am UTC (link)
Wank. Which led to conventions.

*is intrigued* Really? I've always thought of cons as the breeding place of wanks. Wank is so incestuous, yay!

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[info]jedilora
2005-01-04 10:22 am UTC (link)
Seriously. Basically, people got so wanky in letters, that the editors threw up their hands and said, "Y'know what? If you want to continue this, why don't you just MEET?"

And the fendom said, "Hmmm..."

And thus was born conventions.

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[info]phosfate
2005-01-04 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Lord, yes. And don't forget comics fanzine wank ("Cat, you ignorant slut!"). There's excellent wank in old Sherlockiana, too.

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[info]mistressrenet
2005-01-05 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Old-school comics wank was some of the best. You don't remember the "Ben Edlund is racist!!!11!!" wank, do you?

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[info]phosfate
2005-01-06 07:00 pm UTC (link)
*blink* Not at all, but I missed most Tick-related stuff. What was that about?

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[info]mistressrenet
2005-01-06 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Ben Edlund vastly overestimating the intelligence of his audience, mostly. XD

It was back in the early days, when it was a little indie b/w comic book. There was a ninja parody-- a girl named Oedipus (with an Electra complex, amusingly) encounters the Tick. She's learned to be a ninja from Ninja School. Ninja School is run by a pair (I think, it was years ago) of idiot gaijin who bascially have just taken every existing stereotype about Japanese people and ninjas and ran with it-- and made a lot of money off other idiot gajin. They also have a theme park called Ninja World. In one of the comics, there was a little pamphlet pasted in that was a fake brochure for Ninja World-- featuring a mascot named "Li'l Nip" whose r's and l's were levelsed-- er, reversed. It was offensive, but deliberately so-- a parody of our idiot attitudes toward Japan and ninjas, etc.
People flipped out. I remember no well-written "I understand your intention but the use of language was ill-considered" letters (though there may have been some), just "OMG YOU RACIST JERK!!!!" The stupid burned.

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sceach
2005-01-16 05:13 am UTC (link)
I heart Edlund.

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[info]mistressrenet
2005-01-16 05:41 am UTC (link)
Those were some of my favorite comic books ever.

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sceach
2005-01-16 05:08 am UTC (link)
I have an author on my LJ friends list who was screwed out of a sale by this guy. So stupid.

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