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	the_clansmen 2005-01-22 02:13 am UTC (link)
	I have nothing to say other than icon love. Much icon love. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-22 02:24 am UTC (link)
	Eddie loves you back. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dancer 2005-01-22 02:35 am UTC (link)
	I don't know whether to be angry that I can't find a copy of the game or grateful since the servers keep on going down. Nice to see that the wank is free though. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lori 2005-01-22 03:51 am UTC (link)
	Good luck finding a copy. Blizzard had them pulled from the shelves and I'm pretty sure they've disabled account creation (under pretense of an "error" on the page) in order to try to regain stability. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

bitca
2005-01-22 03:59 pm UTC (link)

What I heard is that they didn't pull them from the shelves so much as not restock them. We got one copy at BestBuy because it was in the back as the cover was ripped in shipping.

Of course, being the magnanimous soul that I am, I let my husband use the account key. So now I'm stuck waiting until they release more copies and he's playing and levelling and having fun. *sighs*

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	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:37 pm UTC (link)
	Make sure you get it into his head that this means he owes you in game. Armor, travel expenses, an escort through the wetlands when you need it to get to Menethal so you can hop the Elf Boat... (Reply to this)(Parent)

lori
2005-01-22 03:49 am UTC (link)

Poor girl. No hope of that one dying a quick death. Usually those forums move so damn fast.

Though, the "Nerf Paladins!" threads and the like have much more wank in them. You got your fanbois, your whiners, your haters. Good times, good times. Let's not forget the server bitching. I lucked out in the fact that my guild leader picked a low pop server and I don't have the problems that a lot of them have...

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	ktnb 2005-01-22 04:22 am UTC (link)
	I lucked out in the fact that my guild leader picked a low pop server and I don't have the problems that a lot of them have... hates you My guild leader picked one of the most populated servers. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dalassa 2005-01-22 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	We went to Proudmoore not knowing it was going to be the Aussie server. Ironforge is unmoving during peak times. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:36 pm UTC (link)
	I'm lucky I picked a low pop one too, and dragged my fiends along with. Now the worst I have is the one a week down day, and occasional login server issues. No lines, no constant downtimes. Eonar. It's a beautiful thing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lori 2005-01-22 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	I'm on Elune, myself. We have Alliance on Elune and Horde on Uther--one of the ones with huge issues. Most of the guild is playing Alliance right now anyway, so it's a moot point. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wolfsamurai 2005-01-23 12:19 am UTC (link)
	Dude, you're on Eonar too? What's your character? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-23 04:30 am UTC (link)
	The one I use most is a night elf druid named Rillian. Other than her, I've got a backup char who's a level 18 mage and few scattered level 12 and under priests, pallies and whatnot. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wolfsamurai 2005-01-23 05:05 am UTC (link)
	Aaah, okay. If you see a level (now) 46 NE hunter named Phelanar (look for the pet cat named Rasputin), that's me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-23 07:15 am UTC (link)
	I'm all full of lowbieness in comparison - Rillian is bordering on level 22. I hang my head in shame. So much time spent on the engineering...and what do I have to show? A level 22 druid in goggles, with a pet mechasquirrel. XD (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wolfsamurai 2005-01-23 08:18 am UTC (link)
	I've got 3 alts, but none of them are higher than level 12. ^_^;; I play them mostly to get away from irritations with my hunter, but I don't get frustrated that often with him, so they don't get played a lot. :) Besides, it's kind of interesting to be known on sight by a fair number of players on the server, whether it for my name, my pet, or my guild (Squirrel Masters). (Reply to this)(Parent)

rawles
2005-01-22 04:02 am UTC (link)

you didn't help me when i would have accepted your help. you helped when i was already at the end of my rope and hated everything you did. you left me alone long enough to let minor irritations build up into a huge ball of rage. and you never once seemed to actually care how it was affecting me.

Over a computer game. A fucking computer game. She acts like he left her at the altar or something.

I mean WoW rocks and all, but this is just beyond crazeh. The most hilariously delusional thing I've read in a long time. Well, since the last time I was at

dl_anon anyway.

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	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	The end is the best, I think. You know, where she launches into a little bit of "I wish I could hurt you like you hurt me" thing. Over 4 bars of xp. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dalassa 2005-01-22 07:49 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously, my playing partner and I just try to remain within half a level of each other. Sometimes he's ahead, sometimes I am. Its just a game. As long as we are still doing the same quests it doesn't matter. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wolfsamurai 2005-01-22 04:05 am UTC (link)
	If I posted all the wank that happens on the WoW boards I'd never ever ever stop posting here to F_W. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rawles 2005-01-22 04:12 am UTC (link)
	Word. Though, that OP is the funniest thing I've seen there in a while. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wolfsamurai 2005-01-22 07:59 am UTC (link)
	I dunno. I thought "Nerf Paladins" to the tune of "Blame Canada" was really great too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	I liked that. Though I also was a fan of the Nerf Rouges post, that was comedy gold at the time. "Hey Blizzard, nerf rouges! All the ones you can buy in Stormwind make a girl look like a cheap whore! Also, rogues are fine, leave them alone." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	altoidsaddict 2005-01-22 06:50 pm UTC (link)
	snort I missed that one. Glad to know I'm not the only one who immediately thinks "what's wrong with cheap whores, anyway?" anytime someone misspells "rogue." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wolfsamurai 2005-01-23 12:21 am UTC (link)
	That was also a good one. :) Occasionally the forums can be funny for reasons other than pointing and laughing at the unwashed masses of whiners. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sairobi 2005-01-22 08:14 pm UTC (link)
	Silly question: can someone explain all the "nerf"ing to a ignorant rube? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

altoidsaddict
2005-01-22 08:48 pm UTC (link)

Each player chooses a profession when they get into a game, for example, warlock, priest, paladin, or rogue. Massive Multi-player Online Role-Playing Games, or MMORPGs, have delicate economies - so it often comes to light when the game is launched that one profession or the other is overpowered. The cry then comes to "nerf" that profession, or make it weaker (and thus like a Nerf product), to make things fairer to those who do not have that profession.

From what I've seen from Star Wars Galaxies, unless something is *really really wrong* with a profession, nerfing creates more problems than it solves. You'll never have a perfect profession economy in an MMORPG, because you can never make different attributes equal.

I think the real problem here is that a lot of immature jackasses are attracted to rogue, and have learned to exploit it in PvP. Nerfing it won't fix anything; implementing the honor system (where "dishonorable" kills hurt your character) would make a dent.

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	sairobi 2005-01-22 09:22 pm UTC (link)
	Ahhh, I see. I just got started on FFXI, so I have yet to be social and interact with the other job classes (currently playing as a hume thief) ... but that's definitely something I'll be on the lookout for, now. Thanks for the heads up. ^__^ (Reply to this)(Parent)

wolfsamurai
2005-01-23 12:24 am UTC (link)

Except the irony is that these same people found a good way to turn that dishonor system to their advantage so dishonor probably won't be implemented any time soon. If you're curious (or anybody else is) as to what their asstastic way of fucking with the dishonor system was, guilds would all have lvl 1 alts and when an enemy group would raid, they would bring out those alts, get killed, and the raiding group would get major dishonor for it.

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altoidsaddict
2005-01-23 12:46 am UTC (link)

Yeah, the problems with the dishonor system concern me, and I'm all for hearing the cons - but most of the time the only con I ever hear is "but that would ruin my ganking." I wouldn't want for a level 60 to get dishonor just because a level 1 alt decided to pick a fight. The system has to limit lower-levels, not just the high-levels; I've seen lower-levels group up and then jump on a higher-level while he's in combat, and it isn't any righter just because he might waste two or three of them before he dies.

My ideal honor system:
1. Free-for-all within town borders. Raids are not the problem here. If this is not doable in the program, within a certain radius of an inn would work.
2. PvP outside of town borders is limited to within 5 player levels in either direction.
3. If Person A is in combat with (insert non-NPC/non-player character here), or has finished combat in the last 15 seconds, they are in a "safe zone." If Person B jumps them, Person B's hitpoints are limited at Person A's level for the next five minutes. Sort of like res sickness. For example, if you have 1000 hitpoints, and you jump someone when they're down to 100, your max is now automatically 100 for five minutes.

Not that Blizzard would ever do it that way, but that's the best way I can think of to make it fair for everyone - the honor system shouldn't be an excuse to nerf high-levels, after all.

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wolfsamurai
2005-01-23 02:20 am UTC (link)

All of those would be really nice, but I think even PvPers wouldn't stand for some of those chances. I personally think they're all good, but as you say that gets in the way of the ganking-is-okay mindset that seems to dominate the PvP servers. They don't ~want~ fair. They want to be uber/l337/all powerful. They want all of the perks without any of the downsides. That's why Blizzard isn't planning on implementing dishonor (at least for now). Too many people who are asshats in real life look for loopholes and ways around it, just like people who find ways to force someone into PvP on PvE servers.

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	(Anonymous) 2005-01-22 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	This I've got to see. Where is it? ... Hey, is your icon Ashton from Star Ocean 2? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wolfsamurai 2005-01-23 12:20 am UTC (link)
	http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=926488&P=1 And indeed it is Ashton from Star Ocean 2, the anime version (Star OCean EX it's called) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	calluna 2005-01-22 04:29 am UTC (link)
	Heh, I should have expected we'd have WoW wank soon. I wish there was a way to copy the dialogue out of the channels; lotsa wank there... (Reply to this)(Thread)

byagghametta
2005-01-22 06:33 pm UTC (link)

We've had the wank a looong time now, since before the game was beyond beta. This is just the first time I've bothered posting it.

Also, agreed on the other part. There was a lovely fight in Elwynn general last night on Eonar between a guy chanspamming for people to join his guild and people who wanted him to shut the hell up, which turned into a whinefest about what guilds should be about.

I'm glad I actually ended the fight. I chimed in "My guild, when I get this character into it, is all about one thing and one thing only: Being one of three people stupid enough to have the words Wench Auction hovering over their head."

There was a distinct lack of comeback for that. :D

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rawles
2005-01-22 04:42 am UTC (link)

The thread has lots of great mockery, such as:

As I stood there drinking my newly conjured water, you walked by without even so much as a hello.

I felt slighted.

I asked you many times to acknowledge me, but you passed on by. And then you cut me even deeper by waving to some strange Paladin you don't even know.

Did the time we spend killing kobald vermin not mean anything to you...I love you. from Bowdi.

Then the simple yet still hilarious:

WTB 1 Life for a gnome PST from Criskringle.

And Serbaa's illuminating illustration.

But, in response to a joking suggestion for everyone to make alts on the OP's server in order to ask her just how crazy she is, Tzo wins the thread:

That's an excellent idea. They'd all have to be rogues, of course. A circle of 100 gnome rogues surround her, chanting "4 more bars! Do you want help? What's wrong? 4 more bars! Do you want help?...."

I think it's trying to cram a full size set of emotional instability into a pint-sized body.....

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	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:31 pm UTC (link)
	I cracked up the first time I ran into "WTB 1 Life" myself - almost spit milk on the monitor. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-01-22 07:13 am UTC (link)
	This is either totally hilarious, or utterly pitiful. Maybe both at the same time. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	I think "both" was the general concensus about it in thread. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-01-22 10:00 am UTC (link)
	If you're posting WOW wank, post Cecilwank! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:27 pm UTC (link)
	Meh, I dunno why but it just never got me as much as this one did. Oh how this thread was adorable... But in case you didn't see it, Cecilwank makes an appearance in thread there - someone suggests they be put together as a couple. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-01-23 02:58 am UTC (link)
	... would this be the same Cecil I am thinking about...? XD (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-23 04:32 am UTC (link)
	Probably, I think there's only one well known Cecil in WoW-dom :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ilanalynn 2005-01-22 11:15 am UTC (link)
	Hee, I read that forum every day for the wank. It's everywhere. (btw I'm on Earthen Ring ^^) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:29 pm UTC (link)
	Isn't it a marvel? These kids never stop whining about ANYTHING. Between the Nerf Everyone and This Class Sucks threads, FW would be drowning if we posted it all. :D (I'm on Eonar, myself) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	starza 2005-01-22 02:10 pm UTC (link)
	When is there not wank on the WoW boards? :P When the game is down, I hunt down the wank in the threads. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	byagghametta 2005-01-22 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	I know, I usually stay away from them, honestly - WoW = World of Wank/ World of Whiners when it comes to the boards, but this one was sent to me and I had to share. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	altoidsaddict 2005-01-23 12:54 am UTC (link)
	Hey, there's a happy ending on page 14: "postscript [happy endings are relative]: i told him to get the hell away from me. he bought me popsicles. love is beautiful." I agree with whoever said we need an expression for /baggagetrain. (Reply to this)