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buttercat ([info]buttercat) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-02-08 19:03:00


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Current mood:OMGWTF

Here's one for the "Bitch, are you for real" File.
GAFF takes on... (wait for it, wait for it,) the subculture of incest.

At first it's merely disturbing as a few regs say, "incest, meh, as long as they're both adults it's okay." Whatever, but, umm, eww. Then things heat up after someone posts a link to incestboard.com. It ends up that a regular poster from the incest boards (sorry, just typing that kind of gives me a shudder...in the bad way,) who calls herself "Puppy" says, Before you all accuse me of being a dirty old perv or the such like, I'll have you know that I'm actually a fairly young woman of 22 who is having a wonderful relationship with her dad for the last three years.

And all hell breaks loose.

At first, GAFFers do a little bit of light snarking. Then "Puppy" comes back on and, in a very long and disturbing post, waxes rhapsodic about her love affair with her father. Some of us lurkers are thinking, "very convincing troll," but this turns out not to be. In the next few posts (sorry, I don't know how to link to specific posts when the user is not signed in,) "Puppy" comes out with: I'm asking for another incest couple to join me and dad so that the four of us can live together and raise the children together. There are many advantages of this:
1. There is more financial income for a family where there are four adults than two.
2. There is more support for the children, they will have four adults to go to for help and advice when they need it, not just the traditional two.
3. There would be so much more love in such a household.
4. The children would grow up knowing that inbreeding is not okay, but incest is as long as contraception is always used.
5. The children would grow up to be as open minded as their parents.



That's right, kids. If you are not fucking your mom and dad, you are a hater.

The general responses to this from GAFFers? "Wow, how weird! Thanks for sharing this lifestyle and for being so nice!" (I'm sorry, I have to take a moment to tell you all that my eyeballs are leaping out of my skull as I read those reactions.)

Page two brings wank of the-- "your practice is disgusting!" "Hey, don't call her disgusting!" "I didn't, I said her practice was disgusting, and furthermore, I'm going to post dictionary definitions of 'disgust'!" --variety. Then GAFF infighting happens.

Page three gives us PotterWank (my god, it's everywhere!) right fromt eh start, wherein "PuppyShipPaladin" (not to be confused with "Puppy") says that she dislikes Weasleycest because of the OOC-ness, but is OK with the incest of it all, and asks Puppy to rec her some good Weasleycest fic. Uh huh.

More infighting. "Puppy" joins the boards. Comes out with, "My Mom was a controlling bitch, wouldn't any man with a wife like that turn to his daughter for sex? Yes, of course he would." And even more, "Incest is the right way, much more loving and open-minded. 'Norms' are creepy and will hurt you." And the kicker: "If I got married, it would be to another person who liked incest, and if I had a son, yes, I would fuck my son, too, because it's the loving thing to do."

Ahhhh, on page four someone does a bit of googling and digs up some older posts of Puppy's. There are questions of who this person really is, why she lied about how old she was when her dad "fell in love" with her and began touching her, (the answer is, she was fifteen,) and an anonymouse eeeeeven goes so far as to hint that "Puppy" might be a GAFF reg:

HINT: Google "just-another-sick-puppy" and find the site describing her "the worst creation on the planet" then email the webmaster and ask if he knew "Puppy" and if it is the same "Hellfire" that also was on GAFF.

PS: I'm not trying to start a flamewar, just seems something fishy about this thread since "Puppy" came along.

PPS: Hellfire I apologise if I am completely wrong but the whole situation just seems off somehow.


O_o

Wow. *smokes a cigarette*




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[info]bana_chan
2005-02-09 02:19 am UTC (link)
o.O; All the WTF's in the world can't quite describe the...WTF-ness...of this.

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(no subject) - [info]bana_chan, 2005-02-09 04:33 pm UTC

[info]els_chan
2005-02-09 02:19 am UTC (link)
o_O Mind...boggling...action!

Well, I guess that makes me a hater then. Alas and alack.

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[info]cathowl
2005-02-09 02:19 am UTC (link)
yes, I would fuck my son, too, because it's the loving thing to do.

*Goggle* Um... Ok. I'm not anti-incest, but what if he doesn't want you to fuck him?

Right... Incest is the loving way to live... The only loving way, apparently.
I'm quite happy not fucking my mom, thank you. In fact, the thought rather squicks me.
I love my mom, but... Not attracted to her. Eh...

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 02:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]buttercat, 2005-02-09 02:27 am UTC
Rant: - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 02:39 am UTC
No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 02:49 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 03:03 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-02-09 04:06 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 04:11 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-02-09 04:16 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 04:18 am UTC
... - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-02-09 04:46 am UTC
... - [info]funwithrage, 2005-02-09 08:10 am UTC
... - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 08:16 am UTC
... - [info]funwithrage, 2005-02-09 07:22 pm UTC
... - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-02-09 04:45 pm UTC
... - [info]funwithrage, 2005-02-09 07:23 pm UTC
... - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-02-09 08:26 pm UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]snacky, 2005-02-09 04:08 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - (Anonymous), 2005-02-11 02:24 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]boadicea, 2005-02-09 05:21 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 05:23 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]boadicea, 2005-02-09 05:33 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 05:35 am UTC
... - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 05:36 am UTC
... - [info]mrbimble, 2005-02-09 05:45 am UTC
... - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 05:53 am UTC
... - [info]mrbimble, 2005-02-09 08:18 am UTC
... - [info]boadicea, 2005-02-09 09:13 am UTC
... - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-02-09 04:49 pm UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-02-09 07:36 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]boadicea, 2005-02-09 09:15 am UTC
Re: No. Actually. Incest? WRONG. - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-02-09 06:38 pm UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]cesare, 2005-02-09 03:06 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 03:09 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]cesare, 2005-02-09 04:04 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 04:12 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]snacky, 2005-02-09 04:17 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 04:19 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]wankprophet, 2005-02-09 04:27 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]cesare, 2005-02-09 04:49 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 04:51 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]miss_kitten, 2005-02-09 04:13 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]marlo, 2005-02-09 04:39 am UTC
Re: Rant: - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-02-09 04:48 pm UTC
Re: Rant: - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 05:39 pm UTC
the many gods theory - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 08:42 pm UTC
Re: the many gods theory - (Anonymous), 2006-01-14 01:13 am UTC

[info]jrandomlurker
2005-02-09 02:39 am UTC (link)
Troll. Gotta be a troll. A really...'good' troll.

PLEASE GOD let it be a troll.

*weeps*

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-09 02:41 am UTC (link)
Pardon me while I puke.

Damn, I'm proud to be a hater.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 02:44 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-02-09 08:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hangingfire, 2005-02-10 07:40 pm UTC
You're Amazing - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 02:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]loopywafflehead, 2005-02-10 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2005-02-12 03:03 am UTC
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[info]frau_eva
2005-02-09 02:44 am UTC (link)
Somehow I have this icon, but this wank still freaks me out. A LOT. URRGGHHHHHHHH.

Okay.......let me just say this loud and clear:

SEX =/= LOVE

I love a lot of people. I happen to fuck very few of them. I could also fuck none of them and fuck people I hate. How is that possible? Because SEX =/= LOVE. It's that simple people. That's why I don't fuck my Dad. *shudders*

.....I think I need a shower.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-09 02:54 am UTC (link)
Real incest makes my skin crawl but fictional incest is one of my kinks. I love Weasleycest (mostly just twincest), Crazy Space Incest and Boone/Shannon (although that's not real incest since they're step-siblings). *shrug*

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(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-02-09 04:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jun_inohara, 2005-02-09 06:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]theartema, 2005-02-10 06:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 08:48 pm UTC
GIP! - [info]plazmah, 2005-02-10 07:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]teleute, 2005-02-10 09:26 am UTC

[info]auguris
2005-02-09 02:57 am UTC (link)
I just feel bad for Puppy. :/

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(no subject) - [info]lush_rimbaud, 2005-02-09 08:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-13 05:17 am UTC

[info]fox_gloves
2005-02-09 03:04 am UTC (link)
Ya know, i've never had a problem with incest. As long as between adults it's fine with me.

Did I miss a fucking memo or something? When did so MANY people just blatantly ACCEPT incest?

I feel like I'm in the damn twilight zone and all the other people are pigs, and I'm not, and they all think I'm ugly cause I'm not a pig.

Just--ah! There are no words.

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... - (Anonymous), 2005-02-10 10:52 am UTC
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shadeshark speaketh again. - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 04:19 am UTC
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[info]kalika_maxwell
2005-02-09 03:06 am UTC (link)
Um, fictional incest is one of my kinks and I don't mind about real incest either. Two adults in their right minds can do what they want. All long as everything is consensual and stuff, whatever.

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... - [info]gal_montag, 2005-02-11 03:40 am UTC
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shadeshark
(Anonymous)
2005-02-09 03:07 am UTC (link)
You guys are really reaching. We didn't even have wangst! Yeah, we did have people leaping in to put in their two cents, but no. . . *sniff* twajedy. (Oh, I'm so hurt that we were misunderstood!)

That thread was just internet kookery. Jeez, you're Fandom_Wank, not the Portal of Evil. Stick to what you're good at.

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Re: shadeshark - [info]aloysius, 2005-02-09 09:33 am UTC

tourette
2005-02-09 03:14 am UTC (link)
I can't imagine my relatives having sex with anybody, let alone me.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-02-09 03:22 am UTC (link)
(Begin WTF mode)
Pedophiles should not be on Incestboard at all, it explicitly states on the enter page that minors and pedos aren't welcome.

But they're commiting incest too? Man, you just be a hatin'.

the practicalities of incest

Like 6 headed offspring.

Just don't assume we're all the same as them sicko pedophiles because we're not.

So cos her dad waited until she was legal to fuck her, it's okay now?

but I am on the lookout for a young man of my own age who is involved with his sister or his mum so that we can still have a family and all but keep our lifestyle.

Utterly. Terrifying. I can't believe these people are looking to bring a child into this situation. So. Fucking. Wrong.

me and dad can't go on dates without my bro and sis picking up on things

Oh, so it's cool to be incestual, because it's a healthy relationship and all, just don't tell the rest of the family.

So wrong. So fucking wrong. Please tell me it's a troll. GODS PLEASE!! *rocks back and forth whimpering*(/WTF mode)

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Dude, you're so reactionary! - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 03:24 am UTC
Re: Dude, you're so reactionary! - [info]gal_montag, 2005-02-09 03:47 am UTC
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??????????????? - [info]tiki, 2005-02-11 09:48 am UTC
Re: ??????????????? - (Anonymous), 2005-02-11 09:29 pm UTC
Re: ??????????????? - (Anonymous), 2005-02-11 09:50 pm UTC
You must be a riot at parties. - [info]tiki, 2005-02-11 10:52 pm UTC
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[info]napoleon
2005-02-09 03:41 am UTC (link)
Don't be hatin', yo. It worked for Anaïs Nin.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2005-02-09 03:45 am UTC (link)
well. I've reached the point of 'I just don't get any of these people'.

I always thought it would be over the Batman pedo writers.


You want something really scary? Somethingawful.com's weekend web did a incest board. The screencaps, they haunt me.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-02-09 01:21 pm UTC

[info]miss_kitten
2005-02-09 04:11 am UTC (link)
It's a disturbing discussion, but I'm missing the wank, I guess. There were some much better threads on GAFF this week in terms of f_w. Too bad you missed them.

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[info]sarajayechan
2005-02-09 04:44 am UTC (link)
*skims through a few pages*

...

Woah, dude. Some of this pro-incest stuff is fucking creepy. "Incest is loving and open-minded"?! WTF?!

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I guess I'm missing a few things...
[info]platedlizard
2005-02-09 04:56 am UTC (link)
First off, I don't see any wanking. Just some people who disagree on a subject sitting down and talking about their disagreements like adults. Second of all, other then being on GAFF, why is this considered something to post at Fandom_Wank? As far as I can tell incest in real life isn't a fandom issue.

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Re: I guess I'm missing a few things... - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-02-09 07:31 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-02-09 05:15 am UTC (link)
Latest revelation trumps the argument, "Well, they're adults after all..." wherein the Pup reveals that her father first "approached" her when she was 15. For the grey area people, that's still illegal, and pedophilia.

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[info]teratologist
2005-02-09 05:37 am UTC (link)
I wonder if any of this has anything to do with a poorly functioning sense of smell?

< /random quasi-senisble biological musing >

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(no subject) - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 05:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-02-09 09:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-09 11:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2005-02-10 01:30 am UTC
Anon10Gadzillion presents partial summation of thread!
(Anonymous)
2005-02-09 05:55 am UTC (link)
Somewhere on Page 3:
Skyrocket: Girl, listen to yourself. You are weird, and your arguments sound like NAMBLA.
Puppy*: WHAT??? HOW DARE YOU?? We are SO not like child-molestors. Even if we do use the same "woe-is-me-society-doesn't-accept-my-love" BS. WE HATES THEM. Comprende? Anyways, so like I was saying; incest is great, 'cause we get to move from family-love to OMG PURE SEXUAL LOVE. Teh cool, no? And everyone I've talked to (who, admittedly, are all biased) says that they get more respect this way. Oh, and we try harder, unlike all the rest of you dopes. Plus, everyone knows no one knows you like family, so of COURSE that means you should have sex with your dad. Finally, incest makes you more tolerent. Well, unless it comes to NAMBLA. 'Cause we HATE that.
Bladed_Crecesnt: *channels Spock, kicks ass*

Then it all goes to shit, half the board flip-flops to the anti-incest side, and somewhere, Washu-hime is crying out "Oh, NOW everyone agrees with me."
I wonder why there isn't any wank related to the age-differences? I demand age-difference wank! Or they could call her on misspelled "solace." I mean, 'solice?' Really now.

*What self-respecting woman calls themself Puppy? Even on the net?

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Re: Anon10Gadzillion presents partial summation of thread! - (Anonymous), 2005-02-10 08:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 11:41 pm UTC

[info]mael
2005-02-09 06:07 am UTC (link)
Firstly, there is a big difference between coeval incest and cross-generational incest. BIG.

Two brothers relatively close in age experimenting together is not necessarily a problem. A father fucking his underage daughter clearly is.

Most, if not all, cross-generational relationships have consent issues. The younger partner may only comply to the older's wishes out of some misguided respect for the authority figure in the situation. The younger partner may even initiate the relationship if he or she feels it would please the authority figure who up to that point hadn't even *thought* about sex. Then there's transfer. Falling in love/lust/like with a teacher, an older friend, a doctor, an estranged uncle. That presents the *same* consent problems as a cross-generational incestuous relationship. Yet most of those relationships are *not* illegal. Discouraged, yes, also unethical while the younger partner is a student/patient (I'm talking college aged students here). Still, the psychological compliance is possibly even more pronounced if the older partner is someone the younger wants to impress or be liked by. Yes, this applies to parents as well.

*That's* the big issue here. Not the familial bonds between the members of such a relationship. Those are simply added baggage.

(This is obviously assuming all people to be well over the age on consent, anything else is *abuse* whether the kid wants it or not. At least in modern western culture, that is.)

But between coevals? Man, that gets murky. Brothers, sisters, cousins. If we put the genetics aside, then there's not *necessarily* an issue. Kids born of such unions do have a higher risk at genetic disorders, and I'm certainly not advocating it *at all*. His or her mother and father would anyway be breaking a taboo that's been more or less around since the beginning of recorded history and it should be their responsibility and their burden, if they so chose. Not anybody else's.

And to clear things up a little, what is it we're objecting to in coeval incest? The blood ties or the familial ones? What I mean is... Let's say we have three kids, A, B, and C. A and B are siblings but have never met. A and C are *not* related yet they were raised as such.

Which relationship do you feel would be worse, A and B or A and C? Because nothing's stopping A and C from having a relationship. And if it's just the genetics, well, if A and B fell in love *without* knowing they were siblings? Why would things change after they discovered they were related? They wouldn't smack themselves in the head and go "DUH! That's *it*! All this time I've loved you like a *brother*!".

It isn't a black and white issue, people. Cross-generational relationships are very very rarely healthy. If they're incestuous I'd dare say they are *never* healthy, no matter how much maturity or consent is involved. Coeval relationships are another issue entirely. It's up to the individual to decide whether it's the physical or the emotional incest that bothers him/her. Because there's a way around both.

I'm not advocating consensual coeval incest, but I'm not condemning it either.

That said, this wank's still NUTSO.

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(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2005-02-09 06:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2005-02-09 06:10 am UTC
From the Anon who posted right before you - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 06:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2005-02-09 06:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amakath, 2005-02-10 05:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2005-02-10 07:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]megmurry, 2005-02-09 06:37 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 07:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cheshireempress, 2005-02-09 08:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cheshireempress, 2005-02-09 08:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mastervex, 2005-02-09 09:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cie_anthy, 2005-02-09 10:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2005-02-09 07:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2005-02-09 12:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lukita, 2005-02-09 01:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 03:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pet, 2005-02-09 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2005-02-09 07:52 pm UTC
kissing cousins?? - (Anonymous), 2005-02-09 11:45 pm UTC
Re: kissing cousins?? - (Anonymous), 2005-02-10 05:45 am UTC
Re: kissing cousins?? - [info]funwithrage, 2005-02-10 06:04 am UTC
Re: kissing cousins?? - (Anonymous), 2005-02-10 06:15 pm UTC
Re: kissing cousins?? - [info]funwithrage, 2005-02-10 06:55 pm UTC
Re: kissing cousins?? - [info]thewashinator, 2006-03-30 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2005-02-10 01:37 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-11 12:42 am UTC

[info]bobomagicksock
2005-02-09 06:08 am UTC (link)
i always said that one day the internet would break my brain.

i think this is the day.

O_o

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(no subject) - ealusaid, 2005-02-10 02:10 am UTC

rachelthedemon
2005-02-09 06:40 am UTC (link)
...

I'll just let my icon speak for me. Yeah.

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[info]pfeffermuse
2005-02-09 07:04 am UTC (link)
Why does that whole GAFF thread read like the plot of a Lifetime movie?

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