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altair ([info]canisetlupus) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-02-11 23:29:00


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Current mood:Mildly Amused
Current music:Holding out for a hero, dum dum dum DUM!

A small FAKE wank
The FAKE fandom might be small, but its wank is unforgettable...
Wildefyre is a fanfiction writer. Even though her stories aren’t particularly good, everytime she recieves any sort of criticism she claims she’s been flamed and vows to never write again. At least, of course, until her fangirls beg her to keep enlighting their lives.



Since September, Wildefyre had been writing a story called “Disgraced” and posted it at Media Miner and Adult Fanfiction.net. Last week, she recieved the following review (I'm posting it here complete given that, as you might guess, she’s already deleted it).

"Greetings Wildfyre
I am a long-term lurker/fan of anime/manga/all things yaoi, and I am posting this review of your latest fanfiction effort, Disgraced, which I have been following here on Adult Fanfiction since you first started posting it, back in September of 2004. I have read all of your previous FAKE fanfiction, and I have to say that Disgraced is by far your best work to date. You have attempted to tackle a very complex plot and have done some wonderful things with it. Your development of lesser characters from the FAKE cannon, including Berkley, Drake and JJ has been well handled, and your narrative style for this particular story also flows very well and works wonderfully with the scenarios you have established.
The fanfiction world for FAKE is an active, yet relatively small community. (When compared to such fandoms as Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Inuyasha, or Star Trek, just to name a few.) Most of us FAKE fans have read all, if not most, of the available fanfiction out there and are desperate to continue enjoying the wonderful world that Sanomi Matou has created. There are several wonderful stories and arcs out there, written by some very talented writers, which are well handled, inventive, and yet manage to remain in character and respect the cannon that Ms. Matou has created. When a reader finds one of these jewels they shout for joy from the rooftops, and try to share it with as many people as possible, all of the while checking everyday (sometimes several times) for the latest author updates. Of course, with the community being as small as it is, that leads to some serious drawbacks ? the main one being the limited amount of actual stories available. So we as fans read and reread the good ones by our favourite authors, all the while desperately awaiting any new talent that may care to take the field.
It is with that in mind that I've noticed something disturbing in your latest fiction. Several of the ideas that seem central to your latest plotline seem undeniably similar to work I have seen posted by other authors, one author in particular. I can give you three points in particular. Firstly, the fact that during the hostage situation in the bank, one of the stipulations for the freeing of the hostages is the release of the main culprit's brother from prison. Secondly, the rape of Dee by said culprit. And lastly, once the situation is over, Dee's resolve not to tell Ryo about what has happened to him. All three of these points have been or are developing into crucial elements of another's fanfiction work, namely Swordy, in her Crash and Burn arc. In Swordy's work Crash and Burn, Dee is kidnapped and held hostage, with the stipulation of his release being the freedom of the kidnapper's younger brother from prison. In that same story-line, Dee is also sexually molested while in captivity and it has a devastating effect on his psyche. As a result, he decides not to tell Ryo, in an effort to get his life back to as normal as possible. Yet, in Swordy's latest work, Crash and Burn ? Somewhere in Between, the fact that he did not tell Ryo ends up being a CRUCIAL plot point that sends many of the subsequent events in motion.
Now while I am not saying that you haven't taken these concepts and developed them in a different direction, you can not deny that the similarities are there. Two of Swordy's works were finished earlier last year, and she is still currently working on her latest piece. People do do different things with ideas, and the nature of fanfiction is such that the foundation of any work is borrowed from a pre-established source. But sometimes the seed for ideas take hold while we are reading something else, and oftentimes we do not recognize their source. This is just something you may want to be aware of, because it is detrimental to the fandom and the members of that fandom. There is so much room for story development in the FAKE world, and the talented authors out there have a wonderful field to play in. And if nothing else, while borrowing ideas is OK, one should at least provide credit where credit is due, or "give a shout out" to the source that has proven to be the inspiration. It is only fair.
As a fellow fan, I just thought that that might be something you want to consider as you further develop your latest work.
I wish you the best of luck in all of your latest fictional pursuits.
A Fellow Fake Fan
BlueSimplicity"


After her initial reaction, she deletes the story. All that is left is a now-deleted note in which she asks for forgiveness and, of course, swears she will never write again (yawn, I mean, woe).

Fangirls beg in the now-deleted reviews page and on her lj... but it seems that more persons are becoming aware of her usual tactics, including some anonymouses that question her right to reproduce.

Of course, she’s already threatening, I mean, promising to write again.

Hooray.

There was a post about her last year, but I’m too lazy (and on dial-up) to look for it right now.




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[info]melloniel
2005-02-12 07:56 am UTC (link)
Ooh, ooh, can I begin and end every single LJ post I make by *crawling in and out of bed with Hugh Dancy?*

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 08:07 am UTC (link)
Wow, I wish people "flamed" my art like that. Especially with the begining praising my work to high heaven and the only complaint being it seemed to derivitive ( . . . *cough* it is a fanfic *cough*)

Has she ever gotten a real flame as opposed to excellent con crit? I suppose not are she might be dead now ^^;;

Seriously, that woman was more polite than my Creative writing teacher!

. . . or half a dozen publisers.

-ani_bester

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-02-17 02:10 am UTC

[info]kalicephirot
2005-02-12 08:18 am UTC (link)
Why can't I get flames like that? My flames are boring: "OMG! U MEENIELESBO! REMUS/SIRIUS/Whatever AIN'T GAY/HET!!!!" and that applies to ALL my fandoms. Le sigh.

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(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-02-13 01:32 am UTC
*still sleep deprived, apparently* - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-02-13 03:29 am UTC

[info]cathowl
2005-02-12 08:22 am UTC (link)
If that's a flame... Then I want to get burned! Badly!
Mostly I get "I love this, write more!"
Once I got "This is gay, stop writing." on almost every fic I had on ff.net at the time. Once. Do I secretly secrete flame repellant from my pores or something? I'd gladly get rid of it if I meant I could get some decent crit for my stories.

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(no subject) - [info]kalika_maxwell, 2005-02-12 10:04 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 08:23 am UTC (link)
...You know, I think I know this writer from the YST fandom. Her smut was impressive when I was thirteen. Not so much anymore.

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[info]annabelle_lee
2005-02-12 08:50 am UTC (link)
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Kay, bye, Wildfyre. No one with half a brain or a tongue not planted in your ass will miss you when you act like an overblown drama queen over something minor.

Speaking of, what is it with people? Either you say 'yes, I was influenced by so and so. I'll credit.' or 'No, I wasn't influenced by so and so. It's just similar.' I mean, I've had worse things thrown at me in my life; why should blowing up over something so minor be even necessary? [giggles and points at the stupid]

(by the way, I wouldn't see this so much wanky as it is amusingly stupid. I <3 drama queens.)

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(no subject) - [info]tekenduis, 2005-02-12 09:12 pm UTC
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[info]jrs1980
2005-02-12 08:54 am UTC (link)
I'm sure there's at least one Jurisprudence law being broken in here.

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(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2005-02-12 11:28 am UTC
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[info]sarajayechan
2005-02-12 08:56 am UTC (link)
I was tempted to make some crack about the reviwer's "you copied another author!" thing, but...well, this is WILDFYRE we're talking about here.

She's also been wanked before here.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 09:11 am UTC (link)
Small wank, true, but with all the right seasonings in the right proportions. Tasty. I especially love how Wankfyre Wildfyre gets really, really frothing at stupidity-skipping-generations crack, as though a passing remark hypothetically referencing offspring on the fucking internet actually in any way "involved" her children.

'Tis funny. It must be this lack of reading comprehension skills that lead her to conclude that that was a flame. 'Twould be much, much funnier to watch what might happen to her if she ever, say, had a thesis ripped apart by six professors in a formal, public oral examination. You know, real criticism. In real, rather than virtual, public.

(Would she be like the Wicked Witch of the West?)

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 09:20 am UTC (link)
Just so you know, every one of your links goes to the same place, the top of the LJ page. Makes it a bit hard to find what part of the wank you're referring to, exactly.

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[info]bohicamouse
2005-02-12 10:14 am UTC (link)
In the other, old wank about her someone linked to above:

As you can
see, ee_ness flames the characters that Irish created and used
in "Time for Healing" and then she/he mixes up my fics with Swordy's


I thought the reviewer was stretching it a little with the "Your story is too similar to Swordy's since they both involve rape and angst" thing, but . . . heh.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 10:16 am UTC (link)
This is a flame???

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[info]amakath
2005-02-12 10:19 am UTC (link)
And they call her Wildefyre: "It was fun while it lasted but the enjoyment has died, and a handful of assholes are what killed it for me."

I regret to say that my brain tried to conjure up a visual image of "a handful of assholes". Is that like a fistful of dollars?

And the anon wins the thread:

It's a good thing you aren't a writer, especially if your idea of one is someone like Dean Koontz.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2005-02-12 10:54 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2005-02-12 10:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2005-02-13 07:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ultimate_cin, 2005-02-13 05:24 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-13 08:23 am UTC
The Grudge
(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 12:27 pm UTC (link)
I agree that she's wanky and much with the melodrama for very little cause, but some of the nasty comments people left her were just over the top:

Maybe your kids will luck out and your immature idiocy will skip a generation; then they won't have to bitch and moan like a teenager when they're in their twenties.

To drag the subject of someone's children into a wank is irrelevant and uncalled for. Smells like a Grudge Mouse to me.

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Re: The Grudge - [info]jyuu, 2005-02-12 02:56 pm UTC
Re: The Grudge - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 04:33 pm UTC
Re: The Grudge - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 10:01 pm UTC

[info]hinata
2005-02-12 02:11 pm UTC (link)
I'm impressed that she took offense to something that is half-filled with someone kissing her ass. That takes talent.

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[info]dementoid
2005-02-12 02:21 pm UTC (link)
My favourite response:

"This person who put up that comment must not realize how many criminals do the things they do because they want someone (ex. brother, partner in crime) released from prison."

Um, what? Lump me in with the original reviewer, then, because I hadn't realised we were in the midst of a crime spree caused by angst about imprisoned siblings.

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(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2005-02-12 06:06 pm UTC
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[info]ladyofviolets
2005-02-12 03:04 pm UTC (link)
She's back to the wank? Didn't she have enough with the time she was wanked in the FAKE ML?

Like... WTF?!

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[info]shinigami_co
2005-02-12 05:42 pm UTC (link)
I got to the part where Dee got raped, and then my brain went no. Were we reading the same manga?

And that is the most diplomatic, carefully worded flame I've ever read. I wish I could get flamed like that. :( (Hell, I secretly wish I would just get flamed...)

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2005-02-12 10:53 pm UTC
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[info]elektra3
2005-02-12 08:42 pm UTC (link)
Damn. If she goes completely batshit because of reacts that way to "flames" like that (wherein, as far as I can tell, the reviewer seemed to be really enjoying her fic), what does she do when someone seems to actually dislike her work? Fall out of her chair, foaming at the mouth?

...Y'know, I think I just answered my own question.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Man, what an ego. Do they put something in BNFs' water or what?

The name sounds familiar... was she ficbitched or something?

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(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2005-02-12 10:41 pm UTC
Wank aside ...
(Anonymous)
2005-02-12 09:23 pm UTC (link)
... is there any FAKE fanfic out there that doesn't cause one's spleen to implode? I haven't found a single decent story so far. My appetite for well-plotted drama and smut has gone unsatisfied for long enough, dammit.

-Rho

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Re: Wank aside ... - [info]kinneas, 2005-02-12 10:41 pm UTC
Re: Wank aside ... - [info]iczer6, 2005-02-12 10:52 pm UTC
Re: Wank aside ... - [info]bakashinobi, 2005-02-15 01:35 am UTC
Re: Wank aside ... - [info]panthea, 2005-02-13 07:09 pm UTC
Re: Wank aside ... - [info]shahrizai, 2005-02-18 12:05 am UTC
Re: Wank aside ... - (Anonymous), 2005-02-21 06:42 am UTC

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[info]singe
2005-02-13 04:01 am UTC (link)
Like I said, I had no problem with her pointing out the errors. I was aware of them beforehand but just didn't have the time to go back and fix them. What didn't need to be in her comments were the catty remarks concerning my Beta Reader, as well as a few other things she had said.

One in particular: Her catty remark about my Note in the very first chapter that "Flames would be deleted." I am not the first or the last author who will make that statement. I only put that in the first chapter because of the flame war of last summer in which I was not only attacked through my works but attacked personally, including one person who brought my family (My kids) into the middle of it. Now, if wanting to protect my family is wrong, then I am sorry.



Soooo, the mistakes were intentional and over-reacting to concrit proves she's a good mother.

Wha?

I have a migraine which is making my understanding of this even more elusive.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-13 05:25 am UTC (link)
Anyone checking out her "retorts" to some of the people not kissing her ass? Pretty lame. She tries to be snarky, but fails miserably.

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[info]selene_avis
2005-02-13 08:23 am UTC (link)
Wow...just...wow. The reviewer? A hell of a lot nicer than I would have been. People do, subconciously, pick up ideas from what they read. I'm not talking about plagerism here, mind you. But people do do it. I've had people do it to me, and I'm fairly certain that Rake the Sky has influenced my writing. Not surprising, considering that we discuss story ideas over email and follow each other's stories. (Incidently, we both have radically different writing styles. Ironically, both of us are named Angela.) Being aware of it is one of the best things, as you can take steps to ensure that you write originally. After all, a basic idea can be twisted into something completely different.

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