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akanekun (akanekun) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-02-12 02:01:00
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Current mood:Mildly Amused

Drama wank over translations at egl
For anyone who doesn't know what egl stands for, it's "elegant gothic lolita", and the LJ community [info]egl boasts of over a thousand or so members, so it's not terribly shocking that drama bursts out every so often.

However this time, [info]tian_shi asks about translating a scan and immediately [info]usagiko responds with a rather curt comment.

...which leads to more serious wank than usual, including friends hopping in and random people just commenting on random stuff.

Not sure if it's ended, because no moderators seem to be on, but someone finally translated the scan which ironically, is an article about manners.


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[info]nights_mistress
2005-02-12 01:00 pm UTC (link)
...what's an elegant goth lolita, anyway?

All I can think of is Dominique Swain with black makeup crossing her ankles daintily, and I doubt that's it.

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[info]romanesque
2005-02-12 01:24 pm UTC (link)
It's actually describing a certain sort of lolita who wears a certain type of clothing. If someone is egl, they are wearing a brand made by Mana who used to be from the Japanese band Malice Mizer but is now in charge of a different band and that's whole 'nother barrel of monkeys.


Here's an article:

http://www.morbidoutlook.com/fashion/articles/2002_07_gothiclolita.html

Here's a guide:

http://www.lerman.biz/asagao/gothic_lolita/guide.html

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(no subject) - [info]romanesque, 2005-02-12 01:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2005-02-12 04:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-02-12 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2005-02-12 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankprophet, 2005-02-12 09:32 pm UTC

[info]dommichan
2005-02-12 06:16 pm UTC (link)
ROFL.

See this is why I love this place...because it keeps showing me how I'm just not alone. ^_^;

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[info]eclair
2005-02-12 01:01 pm UTC (link)
I feel bad for the original poster; she can only read the Kanji because she's Chinese, she can't exactly know how to pronounce them or the context they're in Japanese. If she's not a repeat offender, I don't understand why she should get off her ass and "learn some Japanese." if its for one silly article.

Japanese isn't exactly something you can go to sleep and learn the next day. Even though I'm learning, I prefer to wait for other people to translate articles because misinterpreting brings heavy criticism as well.

She keeps apologizing and they still go at it. Gooo EGL comm.

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[info]hinata
2005-02-12 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. Japanese and Chinese may share a similar writing system in kanji, but the meanings are different on occasion (like a pairing meaning "ally" in Japanese means "ingredients" in Chinese, or my own personal favorite: what is "letter" in Japanese means "toliet paper" in Chinese).

Not to mention that grammar is completely different, and just getting the gist from what are the equivalent of cognates is not the same as actually understanding what is going on. Japanese is a language that is heavily context and culture based, and I've looked at pages and pages of content and been confused because I thought it was referring to something different.

Usagiko is really just being a bitch on behalf of some other people, and while it wasn't exactly the best wording in a request, it still wasn't demanding anything from anyone. Not that that scan is all that clear towards the end.

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(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2005-02-14 11:32 am UTC

[info]semtex
2005-02-12 06:31 pm UTC (link)
I feel bad for her, too - they're accusing her of "begging" for a translation. It wasn't like she was all "OMG PRETTIE PLZ TRANSYLTE THIS 4 MEEEEEEEE!!111"

That Usagiko chick is a royal twat AND she's not even one of these supposedly "pressured" translators. She started the wank train rolling, and she's keeping it going and going.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 09:57 pm UTC

[info]romanesque
2005-02-12 01:16 pm UTC (link)
CRAP.

I knew this would end up here eventually.

My fashion has arrived -_-;;;

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[info]schuldig
2005-02-12 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Now I'm sorry that I didn't post the RazorBladeKisses wank from the same community. ;_;

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(no subject) - [info]romanesque, 2005-02-13 03:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schuldig, 2005-02-13 01:37 pm UTC

[info]hinata
2005-02-12 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Oh please. Anyone who gets up in arms about someone asking politely for translation help, especially when they aren't a translator, needs to calm down before their self-righteousness proves fatal. I hate it when people get offended on someone else's behalf. Being a translator myself, I didn't have any issue with that request, though it was worded poorly.

Plus, being able to "decipher" the kanji means nothing when you don't know the grammar. You can in theory know all the vocabulary on that scan and still not really understand what they are getting at. Japanese can be nasty like that, and coming from a Chinese language background only helps you as you have a general idea of what the kanji mean and pairs are often different.

The formal speech they're teaching in the scan makes me sad. I thought the McDonald's ladies were bad, but they don't have anything on these lolita girls, if they really do talk like this.

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[info]aloysius
2005-02-12 04:56 pm UTC (link)
What's wrong with the speech? It's arcaic, but that's just the style.

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(no subject) - [info]mutsuki, 2005-02-12 05:10 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mutsuki, 2005-02-14 02:01 pm UTC
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[info]megmurry
2005-02-12 06:02 pm UTC (link)
What's with the chick who posts that long banner at the bottom of every one of her comments?

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(no subject) - [info]semtex, 2005-02-12 06:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]romanesque, 2005-02-13 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]semtex, 2005-02-13 01:38 pm UTC

[info]blackjackrocket
2005-02-12 06:06 pm UTC (link)
You're interested in gothic lotita, but not in the Japanese language?

Isn't that like being interested in sari and henna but not Indian culture as fart as it concerns the language?

Don't you realize how much of an affect a culture has on a language?

Or, if nothing else, how your own culture has an affect on translations of one language to yours?

Overlooking the comical misspelling of 'far', GEEZ man! That's like expecting fans of Italian cooking to learn Italian!

What is *with* these people who're convinced that to appreciate a single aspect of another culture, you have to learn the entire language?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-02-13 01:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hinata, 2005-02-13 05:36 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-02-12 11:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-13 12:14 am UTC

[info]smo
2005-02-12 06:12 pm UTC (link)
o_O You have to have a certain angle to your bows? Do Gothic Lolitas carry protractors just in case?

Beer is a peasant's Drink.

Speaking as a peasant: bite me, dicksmack. *orders a Harpoon IPA*

Don't let the alchohol take advantage of you.

*g* I thought that was the whole point of drinking. (kidding)

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[info]simkin_mouse
2005-02-12 06:48 pm UTC (link)
You want to know what the pretty pictures say? Learn Japanese.

*beats usagiko with the anti-troll stick of DOOM (TM?)* She bloody round the bend, out of pills, or plain masochistic? Isn't there quite enough fangirl! Japanese already?

*headdesks...repeatedly*

-- The Simkin mouse, now too questioning whether posh cheese is still accessible to it, as the mousey does not excel at reading the French on the labels...

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[info]tabby_phobos
2005-02-12 08:52 pm UTC (link)
I hate to sound mean, but if you didn't want to give a translation, why bother replying with all the "Christ!" and "JESUS!" responses? I think that was uncalled for and higly immature. You don't need to take your frustration out on the community or other people's religions, this is what personal journals are for, right?

Buzzah-wha?

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[info]miharu
2005-02-12 09:04 pm UTC (link)
All the good comments have been baleeted. Meh.

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[info]runrunmarch
2005-02-12 09:10 pm UTC (link)
And people wonder why 99% of the EGL community scares the hell out of me. For people who dress all soft and fluffy, I swear to god most of them are just waiting to rip someone's spine out of their body for some minor mistake.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 10:01 pm UTC

[info]favyan
2005-02-12 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Oh man. I was wondering when the EGL community would finally reach wankdom. I'm surprised it wasn't posted on here during the big "OMG! Gwen Stefani mentioning Harajuku?! How DARE SHE!" phase.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 09:59 pm UTC
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akanekun
2005-02-12 09:43 pm UTC (link)
Hey! Other people who know what this fashion is, yay. I found this out after the wank was posted here, but the folks from ljdrama.org were the ones who caused the random stirs later on in the thread cuz they posted about this first at usagiko's command.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-12 10:04 pm UTC
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(no subject) - akanekun, 2005-02-13 08:34 pm UTC
Quaaaaack! - (Anonymous), 2005-02-14 09:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]semtex, 2005-02-13 01:42 pm UTC

[info]mistressrenet
2005-02-12 11:51 pm UTC (link)
This is EGL, not mental_disease_venting.
Hee hee!

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[info]bard
2005-02-13 01:56 am UTC (link)
Wow. I never even heard of Gothic Lolitas before.
Fandom Wank. So educational.

The dresses are kinda pretty.

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[info]kalicephirot
2005-02-13 06:10 am UTC (link)
All I know about Gothic Lolita is that it's a fashion, and also a song written by Emilie Autumn.

Please, God. Don't let them know Emilie. *crosses fingers*

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[info]annabelle_lee
2005-02-13 09:07 am UTC (link)
Good grief. The irony in that situation just jumped out of no where, mugged my common sense, and ran laughing into the night.

Really, there are no words.

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[info]annaham
2005-02-14 03:04 am UTC (link)
Elegant Gothic Lolitas?

Dude. I'm glad I have no clue what that is (and I certainly wasn't able to figure it out from the scan). It sounds sorta scary.

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