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ingrid ([info]ingrid) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-06-05 14:18:00
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Current mood:moody
Current music:"I Am The Walrus" - Beatles

I Am He, As You Are He, and You Are Me ...
Sekrit multiple identities, traced IP numbers, accusations of sock-puppetry, mystery and madness!

No, it's not SV at all, it's more PottersGinny and Fermatojam HP Wank

ETA: You know a wank is hot when the legal eagles chime in.


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[info]darkrose
2003-06-05 10:49 pm UTC (link)
You know, this makes me *so* glad that I haven't read my friends page in a week.

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[info]aruru
2003-06-05 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Wow, the amount of tinhattery going on in this is just beautiful.

Truly a choice wank.

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[info]amasaglajax
2003-06-06 06:34 am UTC (link)
What's tinhattery?

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(no subject) - [info]chimara, 2003-06-06 08:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 08:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 08:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2003-06-06 08:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 08:28 pm UTC

[info]carolinecrane
2003-06-05 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Good God, I love it when the lawyers step in and start handing out the smackdown. Is there anything wankier than a lawyer going around arbitrating fandom flamewars?

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[info]mer1973
2003-06-05 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Baby Jesus has a rash now? I like it. Sick, twisted and wrong. Why didn't we come up with it?

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[info]chimara
2003-06-05 11:23 pm UTC (link)
Gracious. That is some scary wank.

I particularly like "It traces to an ISP known as Comcast which is where a good many of the posts made in msscribe's name trace to." Uh-oh. I use Comcast. It's bloody enormous--it swallowed my old cable ISP a couple of months ago.

Curses! My identity as an Insidious Lurking Sock Puppet has been discovered. *spontaneously combusts*

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[info]guinevere33
2003-06-06 07:22 am UTC (link)
Saying "all Comcast users are clearly the SAME PERSON" is like saying "everyone on AOL is a sock puppet of Ted Turner." Even if the poster hadn't heard of Comcast, it's reasonable to assume that it's a large ISP with more than one member!

:: smacks forehead ::

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Re: - [info]chimara, 2003-06-06 08:29 am UTC

[info]yadda
2003-06-05 11:25 pm UTC (link)
I almost posted this back when it first showed up here, but it was just too confusing. I have no idea what is going on (impersonation, sockpuppets, IP addresses, shipping, old grudges, religion, it's all in there somewhere) but it's wanky as all hell.

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[info]snacky
2003-06-05 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Wow! That was confusing. Are all the IP numbers supposed to mean that all those people are the same person? The stalker and the stalkee? (I'm not a member of the fandom, just know about it from previous installments of "As The Wank Turns.")

But, confusing or not, delightfully wanktastic. I think those wacky plagiarizing pedophiles are in the lead for Wank of the Week (although Smallville could always come up strong tomorrow).

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[info]ingrid
2003-06-05 11:47 pm UTC (link)
Far be it for me to defend fandom madness, but SV is nowhere near this point. Yet.

This is X-Files Season Five levels, here. ;)

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(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2003-06-06 12:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2003-06-06 09:25 am UTC

[info]hotpinkdragones
2003-06-05 11:51 pm UTC (link)
I'm not making any judgement on the IP addresses and 'ownership' ... but from this techie's view, it would be very difficult to spoof an IP address during an HTTP exchange (because HTTP is a request-answer protocal). I'm sure there are tools to do it, but there are other issues at the ISP level that might make it impossible a lot of places (routing table stuff.)

-hp

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[info]mauralabingi
2003-06-06 05:48 am UTC (link)
Hmmm... as far as I know, you can spoof an IP address through HTTP by using a browser set to run through an open, anonymizing proxy server. (There's a few of those out there.) The only IP that would show up would be the proxy's.

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(no subject) - [info]bitchysmurf, 2003-06-06 06:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mauralabingi, 2003-06-06 06:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hotpinkdragones, 2003-06-06 03:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mauralabingi, 2003-06-06 05:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hotpinkdragones, 2003-06-06 05:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-06-06 06:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hotpinkdragones, 2003-06-06 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]katrina, 2003-06-08 07:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]glasshouses, 2003-06-08 11:39 am UTC

[info]cygnusfap
2003-06-07 04:20 am UTC (link)
The IP issue is this:

At first, various people accused Runechild, a GT mod (and the guy who kickstarted the Fandomopoly wank) of being the same person as Killiganhashope (a 'nutty Christian' troll who later turned out to be Pottersginny's friend), based on identical IP addresses. GT yelled blue murder and the rest of the HP fandom eventually concluded that same IP addresses do not necessarily equal same person. It is not now believed that Runechild and Killiganhashope are/were the same person. Runechild later deleted his LJ, by the way - within minutes of Pottersginny deleting hers. This is thought to be co-incidental but suspicions remain.

Confused yet? Good. :D

Msscribe shares her computer with some of her LJ friends, hence similar IP addresses for all these people. What GT have claimed is that these people are the puppeteers behind Killiganhashope, Pottersginny, and Fermatojam (the original nutty Christian). Bear in mind, however, that we now know that there are/were two Fermatojams - one who hacked into Msscribe's computer, and another who was a puppet created by Msscribe's friends, but who didn't actually wank very much.

Interestingly, if the logic is that Msscribe's friends share the same IP as Killiganhashope they must be the same person, then the same logic is that Msscribe's friends are also Runechild, who shares the same IM as Killiganhashope - which is clearly untrue and GT claimed was false. Hence GT's argument is inconsistent.

So basically, Fermatojam 2 was a puppet; Fermatojam 1 was not; Killiganhashope and Pottersginny are believed not.

Zorac has posted a techie's refutation of GT's claims, if you're interested.

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[info]sorchar
2003-06-05 11:57 pm UTC (link)
I think I need to go lay down now, I'm dizzy after reading all that.

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[info]hugsnkisses
2003-06-06 12:15 am UTC (link)
The trouble about HP wank is that it's just so bloody *long*! Honestly, these people are so inconsiderate.

v. amusing though. I'm sure if they all just sat down and read/wrote some Justin/Harry everything'd be alright again. (OMGTEHPOWER!)

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-06 08:11 am UTC (link)
YUS!

Someone needs to put these heathens back on the road to enlightenment with some good Timberpotts! Timberpotts = teh good.

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Huh?
[info]iczer6
2003-06-06 02:09 am UTC (link)
Okay.... Anyone wanna clue me into what the HELL is going on here?

Is MsScribe her own stalker? Is she also Her Own Grampa? And the infamous PottersGinny? Are we looking at mutiple personality disorder or did someone, somewhere fuck up?


Icz

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Re: Huh? - [info]kitty_tah, 2003-06-06 04:42 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]backfromspace, 2003-06-06 04:48 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 05:56 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]arabel, 2003-06-06 06:38 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-06 08:16 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 08:46 am UTC
Extras! - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-06 08:50 am UTC
Re: Extras! - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 09:03 am UTC
Re: Extras! - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-06 07:59 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]ymfaery, 2003-06-06 06:49 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 08:44 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]sajasma, 2003-06-06 09:37 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]kitty_tah, 2003-06-06 10:01 pm UTC
Sort of like Baby Jesus crying... - [info]bitchysmurf, 2003-06-07 02:51 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]chimara, 2003-06-06 07:20 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]aruru, 2003-06-06 08:41 am UTC

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[info]nevadafighter
2003-06-06 04:11 am UTC (link)
Wow, that is confusing and brainache-inducing.

I hate the whole IP thing anyway since the enormous flame war over on alt.music.monkees where everyone was accusing everyone of being everyone else.

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[info]bitchysmurf
2003-06-06 05:09 am UTC (link)
I was wondering when someone was going to wank this. I would've but the whole thing is just too damn stupid and confusing. Apparently you have to have a degree in HP Wank to understand it all.

All I can say is, "What the shit is this?"

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[info]ignatius
2003-06-06 11:28 pm UTC (link)
I still don't really understand this, but I'm willing to put in the effort, because it just looks so wankalicious.

So msscribe had an actual stalker? Was it Pottersginny? Or sarahkjames? Someone said clarabella logged into pottersginny's account under the stalkers name and password- how does that work?

Also, you can legally cry defamation and libel if someone insults your internet pseudonym?

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(no subject) - [info]hotpinkdragones, 2003-06-07 12:13 am UTC
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[info]ignatius
2003-06-07 06:32 am UTC (link)
Ah, so mirabella and possibly sarahkjames stole Fermatojam's password from the personal file and posted on GT (for no coherantly understandable reason.) And the mod of GT is also accusing one or all of them of being pottersginny (due to IP readings I'm not going to even try to understand), and that's what they're denying. Check.

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Hoy! - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-06-07 08:21 am UTC

[info]zannechaos
2003-06-07 05:00 pm UTC (link)
Ah, good ol' fashioned wankery! How I missed thee!

But one question:

ETA:

--I first read that and my brain automatically translated it as "Estimated Time of Arrival", which doesn't make a lick of sense, so I had to go "...the hell?" and consider the possibilities.

I'm assuming it means "Edited To Announce" or something along those lines?

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(no subject) - [info]amandatwop, 2003-06-07 05:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-07 05:20 pm UTC
i r teh biggest wank3r!!!1!
[info]guinevere33
2003-06-08 07:40 am UTC (link)
Two days later, this wank still made my brain hurt so much that I finally sat down with the color coding to figure out the IP tangle. And pretty much the entire logic of the GT admins unravels once you take two seconds to look at the evidence.

First of all, what the admins are claiming to be "the same IP" are actually IP's where only the first 3 sets of numbers match. But there are still 225 different IP addresses possible when the first 3 sets match, so this proves nothing whatsoever.

Also, the whole ISP argument holds no water since all those they cite (like Comcast) are huge providers that cover several states' worth of people. It's like saying "OMGWTF they all use AOL - they're the SAME PERSON!!!!"

Yes, a large number of identical IP numbers (ALL the numbers are the same) match up to two different user names. However, this ALSO proves nothing. Most internet service providers own a specific range of IP addresses, and every time your computer connects to the internet, it randomly selects one of them out of the pool (for example, all of Sarah K James's posts are 209.234.157.something). This means that you often have a different IP every time you turn on your computer, and if two people share an ISP (and hence its IP pool), they'll probably end up drawing the same IP from that pool at least once.

So we're stuck with analyzing people who have an INCONSISTENT range of IP addresses (where ALL the numbers are different), indicating that they're using more than one ISP and therefore might legitamately be posts made by different people. Even then, you can't point fingers at people with only two different IP ranges because they probably have different ISPs at home and at work.

What does this leave then? As always, PottersGinny. She/he/it/they has FOUR totally unrelated IPs: 68.82.67.208 (identical to fermatojam), 130.94.107.137 (identical to msscribe), 168.143.123.83 (unique), 209.234.157.various (one identical to sarah k james). I personally have NO idea what this means, other than that if PottersGinny is a sock puppet, she/he/it/they is a sock puppet of an extraordinarily large number of people. If not, then she simply has a LOT of different ISPs, which is not implausible due to school ISPs, work ISPs, AOL, NetZero, EarthLink, etc.

:: goes to hide her head in shame that she spent this much time on wank ::

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Re: i r teh biggest wank3r!!!1! - [info]katrina, 2003-06-08 11:08 am UTC
Re: i r teh biggest wank3r!!!1! - [info]guinevere33, 2003-06-08 11:56 am UTC
Re: i r teh biggest wank3r!!!1! - [info]kitty_tah, 2003-06-08 09:08 pm UTC

[info]ymfaery
2003-06-08 03:08 pm UTC (link)
You know, with all the IP thingies being mentioned and all, I'm surprised something hasn't been mentioned yet.

Someone--don't remember who--said that the "suspect" IPs originated in the midwest (Colorado?), or something along those lines. Would a person on the West Coast connect to that IP server or whatever in the midwest? The reason why I ask is because infinitus deleted her journal within the last two weeks, and I'm wondering (since I haven't clicked on all the links) when Clarabella made the confession, and whether it's in the same time period.

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