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Dee ([info]deeablo) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-02-17 20:26:00


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Current mood:Fan-Fucking-tastic

Episode IV: A New Hope (Or "Well, someone's a cunt.")
By popular demand: hot, juicy Smallville wank.

Wednesday night's episode featured a Kryptonite-enhanced canine named Krypto. Or Clarkey. Or Shelby. That doesn't matter. What matters is that said dog only growled at three things: the bad guys, another Kryptonite-infected pooch, and Lex Luthor. Naturally, this got some Lex fans in an uproar, including aelora.

(She locked the original post "because things are getting a little out of hand with it and the comments herein. One thing this fandom doesn't need is more kerfluffles over a show we're all attached to." C'mon! I live for kerfluffles! However, someone was kind enough to cap the thread pre-locking. Links to the entire thread can be found at the bottom of this post.)

Nutshell: Showing the dog growling at Lex as evidence of his current or future evilness is either sloppy writing or completely fine. Discuss.

aelora says "Goodbye, Smallville. And fuck you very much." in her LiveJournal. kryptonsite steps in to play devil's advocate.

And I don't understand why the hint that Lex is evil is so bothersome when the story has ALWAYS been that Lex is the bad guy. Do you really expect them to change it just because Michael Rosenbaum does a great performance? Him being evil is inevitable. Smallville has taught us that circumstances have made Lex the way he is, but he's not a bad guy at heart. But maybe his experiences do make him a bad guy. The problem is, we're being told it and not seeing it really. Kind of like Clark lies and this and that and yet he's supposed to be "good."
Maybe it was a failing of the show to make us like Lex Luthor TOO much, but if you were watching expecting a series where Lex Luthor never becomes the bad guy, maybe you'd be better off not watching the series to begin with, because the writing's been on the wall that "Lex will be bad" since the series pilot. Even Michael Rosenbaum wants that for the final year of his character. Villains are interesting and fun.
kryptonsite wants to know what aelora thinks. In fact, he says, "This is your forum, I'd be curious. I do respect your opinion and I hope you don't hate me for my response because I do consider you a friend. And anyone else reading, too, is welcome to tear into me, because I could be wrong with my response here."

Maybe he shouldn't have offered. j_keller is more than happy to oblige.
Who are you to lecture her like she's some kind of child? Maybe you're happy sucking down the "story" as it has been so shoddily presented this year, but that doesn't make you the queen of all that is right of Smallville. Here's something for you to pound through your network-shill head: telling us that Lex is EEEEEEEEEEEVIL and showing us Lex doing evil are two vastly different things, and TPTB have utterly failed to show Lex doing anything particularly evil this year.... And if you can't get that, then I can't help you. I dunno what you're doing up in here trying to school Aelora about it anyway, since YOU ALREADY KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BITCH ABOUT THIS IF IT HAPPENED since you COMMENTED ON WHAT WE HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT THIS MORNING IN SOMEONE ELSE'S JOURNAL! Go pimp your rose-colored vision of Smallville somewhere else, Craig, 'cause we ain't buying tonight.
Craig's response to this unknown person is succinct. "Well, someone's a cunt."

DAMN!

Also, he wants to know "Who are you to tell me what I say or think of Aelora?" Somewhere between j_keller's
"you do too know me" and "we're even," j_keller reveals that she once wrote reviews for Kryptonsite. First she was rosenho, then lexcorp_hope, then just Hope. (Here at F_W she was [info]luthor_hope.) She "left fandom" several months ago, but apparently she still writes reviews for a rival website and has an LJ with the j_keller moniker.

Kryptonsite admits he might not have attacked so vehemently had he know it was her. He apologizes for using the c-word, but he doesn't appreciate the way rosenho-lexcorp_hope-Hope-j_keller is talking to him. Indeed, aelora doesn't like kryptonsite's tone, but after he says he's sorry, the two seem to part ways on good terms. Which, you know, could have been done without the rest of this.

Elsewhere, stone_princess wishes the Smallvile fandom could just get along, so scribblinlenore suggests everyone concentrate on "the hot man-on-man sex" instead. Several people happily agree. (As do I. Pretty!)

Perhaps the wankiest part of this whole thing is how angry some of the SV fen are that Hope said she was stepping away from fandom when, in reality, she didn't. There's a sense of betrayal and entitlement that is kind of baffling. Links to any of that would be appreciated. Although I think [info]ingrid_m sums it up pretty darn well:
"Don't announce you're leaving fandom. Ever. Just fucking leave, drama whore, even though we know you won't because you can't live with us and damned if you can live without us. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya!"
The entire thread (with a sidetrip talking about Lex's black turtleneck of hottitude): (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7),
(8), (9), (10), (11), (12).

Thanks to the people who sent me the screencaps.

ETA: Looks as if Hope has left fandom again. The j_keller LJ has been deleted. However, she did respond to this wank in the comments below. Also, massive defriendings everywhere. The fallout seems huge.


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(Anonymous)
2005-02-19 12:48 am UTC (link)
Except you didn't, Hope. You said you were deleting your journal, you mentioned the reviews and email options, but you never publicly mentioned you would be keeping up another journal, one for the select few who weren't boring or annoying you, like the rest of us were, so it seems.

I used to think very highly of you. Now I know you're a coward and a fake and not to be trusted. Thanks.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-20 08:35 am UTC (link)
Wait - because she didn't tell you that she was keeping a *personal* journal that was, quite frankly, NONE of yours or mine or anybody's fucking business you're going to get on your high horse and tell her she's not to be trusted???? Puh-leeze give me a fucking break. I mean really. She stepped back from fandom. She had another journal. She let the people that she wanted to know about it, know about it. Why? Maybe they were people she was friends with in RL. Maybe they had more in common with her than you or I or other people did. Who the fuck cares!! I'll say it again - it's not your fucking business. That doesn't make her a "coward" or a back-stabbing bitch or anything. That makes her someone who was backing off of fandom like she said she was. She didn't invite you or tell you or ask your permission so suddenly she's the bad one?? Grow up.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-20 06:40 pm UTC (link)
If she really had stepped back from fandom we wouldn't have all of this lovely wank, now would we?

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-20 08:23 pm UTC (link)
She said she was 'stepping back' not disappearing completely. So since she said she was stepping back it's not ok for her to make an occassional comment. It's not ok for her to have an opinion and express it. But it is ok for a whole bunch of people to go 'you said you were leaving but you stayed and didn't invite me to play at your new home! you fucking cunt, coward bitch!' uh, yeah. That makes sense. Like I said before - grow the fuck up. Because that's really what this is all about. Some of us didn't get invited to play and so you think she shouldn't have invited anyone, never made another comment, never shown her face again. The reason this is a wank at all is because of people like you bitching about someone who didn't invite you to play. wah. wah. wah.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-20 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Recap for the hard of thinking

1. Hope declares she's no longer enjoying either fandom or live journal and she's leaving both. Anyone who wants to stay in touch can email her, or read her reviews at whateverthefuckotherplace she's going to post them from now on

2. Most folks take her at her word, feel sorry she's leaving etc

3. But instead of leaving, Hope really shifts into another live journal and lets a select few friends know. Said friends are asked to keep it quiet and not point out to anyone that her pity party buh-bye post was in fact a load of twat.

4. Hope blows her own cover a few months later, revealing that (a) the goodbye to fandom and (b) the goodbye to live jornal were both bullshit

5. A lot of people find the fact that she was a lying coward leaves a nasty taste in their mouths, and they tell it as it is

6. The end


None of us give a shit how many sockpuppets or whatever she wants to keep up. Some of us think if she had made less fuss over leaving and how depressed and sad she was in the first place, she migh not be looking like such a scum queen now. Oh yeah, and all her snidey little friends who joined in the lie with her. That means YOU, darling.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 03:01 am UTC (link)
None of us have any idea what was happening in her head. She might just possibly maybe have missed LJ but not all the shit, like this, that goes along with it. And she started a new LJ. What a bitch. I thought the definition of sock-puppet was a journal where no-one new who you were so you could go around and post a bunch of snotty shit in other people's journals. Hope totally did that commented publicly in ONE journal and outed herself. So that doesn't quite fit the definition of sock-puppet. Oh, and just FYI: when Hope was rosenho, I friended her because I enjoyed her fic. I sometimes commented on her fic and she always responded politely. However, she never friended me back. Ever. She and I are not close. We've never chatted on IM, never emailed back and forth, never met, nothing. I just find this whole "you said you were leaving but you came back what a bitch" sadly pathetic. I don't expect you to believe that Hope and I aren't super close or whatever. I just didn't know, even after all the crap I've witnessed in SV over the last years, that people were as petty as this. It really makes me sad. I've had people on my flist that pretty much despised each other for whatever reason. I've never friended or defriended based on who was angry at whom. I don't get it which is why I commented here in the first place. Because this, this is stupid.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-22 04:37 am UTC (link)
First of all...she started the new journal before she made her big goodbye, much like Wendi also started her own journal before she "left". And why you may ask did she out herself? Cause if there's anything Saundra/Hope/J_Keller wants, it's the spotlight. Always. I could careless if she comes and goes, but I think it's pretty funny that she keeps making her dramatic goodbyes and then she's back. Strangely enough, she's already deleted her next journal. So, those who might miss her, don't fear...she's probably already back.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 04:04 am UTC (link)
I'm done with this. Say what you want but I'm done replying. The level of pettiness and nastiness is more than I can take. It's why I'm a lurker.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 09:07 pm UTC (link)
jesus. so she didn't leave like she said she was. the lie, on a grand scale lie-telling, seems rather small in comparison to other lies told on a daily basis.

who has she ruined? who has she hurt (other than those petty jealous that they weren't invited to play). it's not like she lied and some fucking died.

it's not like she lied and an innocent person went to jail.

it's not like she lied and someone lost their home, their job, or their family.

IT'S. JUST. LIVEJOURNAL. not the fucking apocalypse.

fuck. get some fucking perspective.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-20 06:41 pm UTC (link)
As far as fucking cowards go. Pot. Meet Kettle. I notice you didn't sign your name. Of course, I'm not either but I'm not the one going around calling others cowards - just pointing out the obvious.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-20 10:38 pm UTC (link)
except you just called the anon poster a coward or don't you understand what 'pot meet kettle' means? you total fuckwit

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 03:02 am UTC (link)
And I notice YOUR name at the end of YOUR post. Hypocrite.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 02:37 pm UTC (link)
See there's this thing called irony. Perhaps you should look it up. My pointing out that she was comfortable calling someone names while being anonymous and doing the same thing at the same time myself. Ironic. Pointing out the stupidity. But I guess I don't expect people who use words like "fuckwit" to get it.

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