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Dee ([info]deeablo) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-02-21 01:48:00


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Current mood:Gobsmacked

Episode V: The Anonymice Strike Back
200 comments in, and the Smallville wank continues to go south faster than Clark on red Kryptonite. Several anonymous posters have ripped on or defended rosenho-lexcorp_hope-Hope-j_keller. However, one person took it to another level and created a sockpuppet journal claiming to be Hope. Obviously, it wasn't. Does that make it a socksockpuppet journal? a sockpuppetpuppet journal?

Infinityhope had several entries and open comments earlier today, but now has only one entry and s/he has disabled comments.

SV fandom is addicted to drama and wank. It's the best way to quench the hunger that SV leaves every Wednesday. It's the best way to break up friendships and the best way to bring people together who never would speak otherwise. People get into arguments and let them boil until the kitchen gets too hot. Then they cut anyone involved out of their lives. . .

So, I'm a troll and a sack of shit. I can't argue with you there. I certainly didn't create this journal for brownie points. I created this journal with the objective of pissing people off to the point that no matter how much they hate me, they keep coming back. I wanted you all to come back so that this troll can tell you that they're ashamed that two people can cause fandom to act like a bunch of twelve year olds that would rather shun people than mediate.
Er, yeah. That told us? Infinityhope friended 40 or so people, apparently at random. True, some of them are still involved in SV to varying degrees, but several of them haven't watched the show in years, let alone participated in fandom. The people included have varying reactions.

Shaggirl vents "YOU MAKE THE INTERNET SUCK."

Shannenb is confused because she's not even in SV fandom anymore.

Suzycat doesn't "give a flying fuck."

Elrond50 offers up a hearty helping of Bitch PLEASE.
I am not responsible to you for what I post here. I openly mock stupidity be it fannish or other. I don't give a crap about your call for Peace and harmony in fandom. FYI - I'm not *IN* fandom much. LJ is what you make of it and I tend to mock 'Guardians of Morality or Decorum' because they are limiting by definition. This is MY playground and how I interact with my Friends is up to me.
However, there are bigger issues. Pun is not a fan of anonymity.
Sure people post anonymously because they're too cowardly to face the consequences of their actions, but I don't think that's the main reason. I think they post anonymously because no one would even care about their opinions if we knew who they were. It's the anonymity that gives their words power. When we don't know who's doing the back biting we have to sit up and take notice. Oh no, what if it's someone my friends list? What if it's someone on my extra special filter who I thought I could trust? What if it's the person I thought was really my bestest friend in the whole wide world, and she secretly hates me???!!!!

It's no secret that there are people around fandom who get lots of attention and people who don't, and that a good percentage of the latter are damn bitter about it. I'm pretty sure the anonymous posters would all fall into that group.
And autumnyte questions the ethics of sharing of friends-locked posts with others.
Do I think it's incredibly nasty and in poor taste to bitch about someone behind a friends locked post, where they can't defend themselves? Absolutely. And I'm not defending that behavior in any way. In fact, I'd even add that it's a pretty damn foolish thing to do, especially when someone knows that mutual friend(s) will be reading the post. But I really believe that sharing the contents of friends locked posts like that only leads to more trouble. In each of the instances I've seen lately, it only served to escalate things and make them worse. Because information tends to get exaggerated and whispered-down-the-lane, it's original meaning runs the risk of being hugely misinterpreted.

Anyway...I'm not even sure why this particular issue is bugging me so much. I guess I genuinely feel that, as corny and overblown as it sounds, the LJ fannish community as a whole risks deterioration if most of us can't agree to follow certain shared protocol and etiquette about things like friends locking.
This is just... wow. I've been in this fandom since the beginning and posted several Smallville wanks here (and on blurty and livejournal back in the day). But this is a level of hatred that surpasses even the early days when self-proclaimed BNFs reigned supreme. Amazing. (To clarify: I am referring to the general level of hatred aimed at Hope, not anything said by those I linked above.)

ETA: Dude, that was fast. Infinityhope posted another entry chiding the reaction to his/her LJ. Also, s/he completely deleted the friendslist.
I can't begin to say how surprised I am at the fact that those who consider themselves the least wanktastic are the ones who scream the loudest on my flist. Well, I really can't blame you. I do happen to have morals and ethics when it comes to treating people, like you and would probably have a fit if someone accused me of not. Well, I had hoped that those of you who were not hateful would help with stopping the hate. Nope. Not happening. You'd rather just be vex at me. It's fine.

I really was not seeking attention. I was seeking to get my message across, but aside from that, I'm pretty much done with everyone. I'm surprised at all of the speculation as to who I am. Either I'm an old fan from TWOP or someone really itty bitty and insignificant. Nothing in between. So that means either I've been around for ages and everyone knows me, but I haven't gotten enough attention, or I'm a wee fan, in need of all of you. Come off it. Nobody's fic is that good, nobody's fandom existence is so grand and powerful that I'm going to cry into my cornflakes over lack of attention. The internet and the world is so big and you're all just people. It still doesn't mean I don't desire resolution in this dysfunctional family of a fandom.

So anyway, I will take everyone(yes everyone) off of my flist in an hour or two. I've already deleted every post except for this one and the previous one. Those are the only posts that matter. I'm sorry if anyone actually liked the posts prior to those. I will still be around but infinityhope will never bother you again. I'm sorry to whomever may have been hurt by all of this and to whomever did not get my intended message. I only hope that the next wank that comes along is not as mean spirited as this one has been.
So another Hope leaves Smallville fandom. This is so circular!


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[info]the_clansmen
2005-02-21 10:20 am UTC (link)
I have _no_ idea what's going on, but I want a "You make the internet suck" icon.

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[info]tapedeck
2005-02-21 10:33 am UTC (link)
*cough*

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(no subject) - [info]the_clansmen, 2005-02-21 10:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tapedeck, 2005-02-22 01:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-21 06:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-02-22 12:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annavtree, 2005-02-21 08:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmikhailovic, 2005-02-21 08:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deejay435, 2005-02-21 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-02-22 12:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annaham, 2005-02-22 04:09 am UTC

[info]bubosquared
2005-02-21 11:02 am UTC (link)
What does it say about me that I read "You make the internet suck," and my immediate thought is, "... Suck what? And does it spit or swallow?"

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(no subject) - [info]the_clansmen, 2005-02-21 11:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2005-02-21 11:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-21 11:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2005-02-21 11:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cathowl, 2005-02-21 11:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gloria_mundi, 2005-02-21 12:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2005-02-21 12:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]artimusdin, 2005-02-21 08:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gloria_mundi, 2005-02-21 08:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nonny_mouse, 2005-02-22 10:54 pm UTC
Another one!
[info]embyquinn
2005-02-22 07:00 am UTC (link)


Now with animated action!

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Re: Another one! - [info]the_clansmen, 2005-02-22 07:35 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 10:37 am UTC (link)
I think they post anonymously because no one would even care about their opinions if we knew who they were. It's the anonymity that gives their words power. When we don't know who's doing the back biting we have to sit up and take notice. Oh no, what if it's someone my friends list? What if it's someone on my extra special filter who I thought I could trust? What if it's the person I thought was really my bestest friend in the whole wide world, and she secretly hates me???!!!!

Or, oh gee, what if it's just some random stranger informing you that you're acting like an asshole?

...

Even more scary! :D

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-21 07:06 pm UTC
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[info]telesilla
2005-02-21 10:57 am UTC (link)
tl;dr

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[info]delcj
2005-02-21 10:58 am UTC (link)
So another Hope leaves Smallville fandom.

Smallville fandom — Abandon Hope, all ye who enter here.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2005-02-21 11:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delcj, 2005-02-21 11:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2005-02-22 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]linguist, 2005-02-23 05:29 pm UTC

[info]suzycat
2005-02-21 10:59 am UTC (link)
"I created this journal to piss you all off"... "I'm so sorry I hurt people, and now I shall bahleet myself."

I suppose it's performance art. Unfortunately it caught me on a Ryan O'Reilly day.

In better news, I am now fandom_wanked! I feel so important! Now at last I have a life!

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(no subject) - [info]nonny_mouse, 2005-02-22 10:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]suzycat, 2005-02-22 11:01 pm UTC
Playing Devil's advocate here.
[info]jrs1980
2005-02-21 11:52 am UTC (link)
But I really believe that sharing the contents of friends locked posts like that only leads to more trouble. In each of the instances I've seen lately, it only served to escalate things and make them worse. Because information tends to get exaggerated and whispered-down-the-lane, it's original meaning runs the risk of being hugely misinterpreted.

So...then...wouldn't c&ping the original post to the subject of the bitching be the best way to circumvent any misinterpretations?

Because honestly? Even if you're just friendsfriends, it's probably going to get back to them unless you filter the hell out of your post.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 12:16 pm UTC (link)
I've never given any amount of a damn when a troll friends me. As long as they aren't spamming my journal with comments, why is it such a horrendous crime against you that a random user is on your friends of list?

Please tell me I'm not alone in my WTFness, here.

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(no subject) - [info]ingrid, 2005-02-21 03:38 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rachelmap, 2005-02-21 04:43 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-02-22 04:19 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]suzycat, 2005-02-21 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frelling_tralk, 2005-02-21 10:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-21 11:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nonny_mouse, 2005-02-22 10:57 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2005-02-22 05:01 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-02-21 01:33 pm UTC (link)
I reckon that if nobody had posted their opinions on the wank, and nobody had gotten involved other than Hope and the other person, this whole thing wouldn't be such a big deal. So, if Smallville fandom is complaining about how wanky they are or how mean their fandom is or why everyone has to make such a big deal out of wank, maybe they should take their own advice and STFU about it and not keep posting about it in their journals for 5 days straight.

Also? If you don't want a sockpuppet traced, you probably ought not create a new one or delete your old ones in the midst of ongoing wank. Word to the wise, for those looking to start up sew new puppets. Referring to the other people of course, not the Fake Hope.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-02-21 01:45 pm UTC (link)
I always love it when I have to come to F_W to know what the fuck is going on with my flist.

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**snorf** - [info]bubosquared, 2005-02-21 01:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wickedripeplum, 2005-02-24 12:06 am UTC

[info]ingrid
2005-02-21 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Fandom_Scruples - teh funnah = Infinityhope

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-22 09:37 pm UTC

[info]littledrop
2005-02-21 06:36 pm UTC (link)
I am dead from all the LAUGHTER. All of this crap... too funny for words. Bwah.

I feel sorry for Hope. I like her.

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(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2005-02-22 07:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]littledrop, 2005-02-23 12:03 am UTC

[info]yamashitaaki
2005-02-21 06:50 pm UTC (link)
This fandom wanks so much I may have to start watching the show just to know wtf is going on.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-21 09:02 pm UTC
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[info]panthea
2005-02-21 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Location: Egypt

Get out of my country of origin, infinityhope. You're making my country of origin look stupid.

(And we were doing so well, too, with that two-headed conjoined twin thing!)

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(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2005-02-22 07:36 pm UTC

[info]frelling_tralk
2005-02-21 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Well, I had hoped that those of you who were not hateful would help with stopping the hate. Nope. Not happening. You'd rather just be vex at me. It's fine.

Funny that in the entry she has since deleted, she was saying she wanted people to get angry, and that's what she intended when she created the LJ, knowing it would piss people off.

It's all very well to state your lofty goal for fandom unity, and then leave waggling your finger and being disappointed in people. But Infinityhope was mocking Hope, so what was their point about being nicer again?

I think Infinityhope is just annoyed because after being questioned, they themselves didn't seem to know what the point of the Infinityhope journal was either.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-21 10:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deeablo, 2005-02-22 12:29 am UTC
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[info]linzee
2005-02-22 03:12 am UTC (link)
So *that's* what's going on about my friendslist lately.

What I want to know, in all seriousness, is how the hell we all kept straight what was going on in in our fandoms *before* fandom_wank. Because I'm having to check here and I still feel like I need a Venne Diagram or something.

:scratches forehead: This is all far too complex for a fandom that surrounds a show wherein the main plotline right now can be summed up by "Lana: Warrior Princess."

Linzee

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(no subject) - [info]suzycat, 2005-02-22 04:16 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-02-22 03:41 am UTC (link)
Pssst. Hunter S. /suicide wank over at:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/wtf_inc/474874.html

--a mousie

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[info]dana
2005-02-22 05:40 am UTC (link)
It's no secret that there are people around fandom who get lots of attention and people who don't, and that a good percentage of the latter are damn bitter about it.

Pfff..well that's a stretch. I'm a happy little nobody in my fandom, and most of my flisties are happy nobodies and we certainly don't want to change that.

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(Anonymous)
2005-02-22 06:56 am UTC (link)
Tiny, but tasty, wank a brewing over on the Neil Gaiman feed: http://www.livejournal.com/users/officialgaiman/179153.html

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-02-23 02:29 am UTC
I have been to the mountaintop...
[info]idlerat
2005-02-22 07:09 am UTC (link)
I only hope that the next wank that comes along is not as mean spirited as this one has been.

I love this conclusion. High hopes for the next wank!

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are we over it now?
(Anonymous)
2005-02-22 08:12 am UTC (link)
<*g* @ infinityhope>

Blaire23 (LJ)

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[info]phosfate
2005-02-22 04:55 pm UTC (link)
I only hope that the next wank that comes along is not as mean spirited as this one has been.

Your Mom is so fat that she has her own ZIP Code.

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(no subject) - [info]amandatwop, 2005-02-23 02:20 am UTC

[info]squeakytoy
2005-02-23 11:07 am UTC (link)
So another Hope leaves Smallville fandom. This is so circular!

*snerks*

Smallville fandom had hope to begin with?

/mockery

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