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	seto_fangirl 2005-02-25 02:30 pm UTC (link)
	Woah.......that took awhile to read through, but I see their point. There is something fishy about the whole thing, and they are right to speak up and ask questions. (Reply to this)

	ingrid 2005-02-25 03:43 pm UTC (link)
	where Skinner-Lewis talked about searching Clay's bedroom for pubic hairs, where she used vegetables from an hors d'ouerves tray to construct a representation of genitals which she called "Waldo salad" I'm torn between hysterical laughter and utter disgust. I'll be over here, howling till I puke. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	squib 2005-02-25 03:49 pm UTC (link)
	Couple that with the references of the "investigators" to "Claythud," and the whole thing just ooks me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	*nods* ingrid 2005-02-25 04:54 pm UTC (link)
	It reads like a message board grudge wank, no matter how "official" they try to make it look. While she may indeed be a grifter of some sort, they aren't doing themselves any favors by bringing up Internet minutia that interests exactly no one outside of their insulated lil' world. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: *nods*

mydemand
2005-02-25 05:09 pm UTC (link)

Well, the person in question is heading a non-profit organization, and there has been no sign of where the money has been going to, how it's being managed, nothing. Many Clay fans - of whatever board they're affiliated with - are concerned that their money is being used unscrupulously by this person. There have also been many non-Clay related people and companies who are also questioning the motives of the BAF - including parents and families of children with mental disabilities, which this foundation serves.

Another example, not mentioned on the website but related: during last year's Project-Blog (a project to blog 24 hours for charity), the blogger on Diner-Bitch.com wanted to blog for the Bubel/Aiken Foundation. However, she was turned down, and got a reply from them saying that they did not want to be associated with a website that had "bitch" in the name.

Couple that with the entirely dubious nature of how Fran got to know Clay in the first place, and how she's interacting with him, and you get one really weird case.

I haven't actually been following the controversy and it's only when I found this link and read it through that I understood what my friends were grumbling about. Everything just seems so fishy. :|

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Re: *nods*

ingrid
2005-02-25 05:34 pm UTC (link)

I not arguing that there are probably legit questions to be asked about the financial status of this particular NFP organization.

I just don't see what allegedly making veggie genital sculptures has to do with anything, you know, outside of grudge wanking.

A simple demand for an independent audit really would have sufficed. They went a little overboard, to say the least.

Still, it *is* funny.

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	Re: nods mydemand 2005-02-25 05:37 pm UTC (link)
	Ah ok, I get you. This is mindboggling. o_O (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: nods littletort 2005-02-26 04:44 am UTC (link)
	A simple demand for an independent audit really would have sufficed. Yeah, and by the IRS. If that foundation is 501(3)(c) there are certain regulations concerning how much money can be raised/used doing things outside of the stated purpose of the organization. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	minibalrogmum 2005-02-25 05:24 pm UTC (link)
	I read and now my brain hurts all the way down to the thalamus. (Reply to this)

	poconell 2005-02-25 06:08 pm UTC (link)
	There's enough wank here to carry me through the whole weekend. Great find! (Reply to this)

	jrandomlurker 2005-02-25 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	Oh god, here we go again. When do we get the book with the awful title and the crossdressing past-life reincarnations of Clay's brother's sister's uncle-in-law? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mydemand 2005-02-25 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	Well there is The Claymates Handbook... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	carlanime 2005-02-25 08:44 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, but does it have Claymate-of-the-Month nude pics? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-02-25 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	Wouldn't your brother's sister' uncle-in-law be your own uncle in law? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	stjarna 2005-02-25 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't a) throw underwear at someone b) attach a check. The whole thing is total madness. waits for the book to be published (Reply to this)(Thread)

	solelyfictional 2005-02-25 09:57 pm UTC (link)
	I'm imagining the front row of the audience getting covered in other people's panties, and no doubt some of them detaching the cheques. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-02-25 10:47 pm UTC (link)
	Do you know what would be truly awesome? Turi stalking around L.A. throwing panties at Abby and Jordan while they attempt to raise funds to plant a vegetable garden whose produce will eventually be used for handicapped children to sculpt their own intellicocks out of. The circle of wank. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ultimate_cin 2005-02-28 04:27 am UTC (link)
	And don't forget Crystal immortalizing the whole endeavor with her manips..... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	thoms 2005-02-25 09:02 pm UTC (link)
	Holy crap that's a lot to read. I'm slogging through though. However, I do have a question. What's 'OMC.' Our Master Clay? That's more kinky than I want to think about that boy. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-02-25 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	Most likely because fans of Josh Groban & Clay Aiken cross-streams, OMC means "Oh My Clay" like OMJ means "Oh My Josh" instead of Oh My God/Gosh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sewingmyfish 2005-02-25 09:26 pm UTC (link)
	Oh My Clay, perhaps? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2005-02-25 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	Our Miss Clay. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Bwa! a_partridge 2005-02-25 11:10 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, indeedy. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hooverdam 2005-02-26 01:09 am UTC (link)
	Our Ms Clayton. Wait, that's me! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	deeablo 2005-02-26 12:17 am UTC (link)
	This recent Clay Aiken wank I posted has a link to the Aiken-based voClaybulary created by the Claymates. They claim it is for "Our man Clay." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	thoms 2005-02-26 12:19 am UTC (link)
	I should have gone and looked at that. My bad. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	misswindy 2005-03-01 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	Yep, deeablo is right. OMC="Our Man Clay." It, like all slang, denotes what "circles" of the Clay Aiken fandom you run in - on some fan message boards, using "OMC" to refer to Clay is strictly prohibited. Clay's mentioned the acronym before, though. He seemed to think it was cute. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-02-25 09:38 pm UTC (link)
	The most shocking aspect is that women actually throw their panties at this goober. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	circumstance 2005-02-26 12:34 am UTC (link)
	No kidding. (Reply to this)(Parent)

mydemand
2005-02-26 01:51 am UTC (link)

That was actually a wank of its own during the concerts.

"OMG You shouldn't throw PANTIES he's a GOOD CHRISTIAN BOY not a SEXBOMB it is entirely UNAPPROPIATE!"
"But throwing panties is a sign of RESPECT! It's common at all concerts! And besides, this is the same guy who wore a condom on his head.*"
"BUT OMG INNOCENCE LOST NOT GOOD!"

yadda yadda.

* there's a photo of Clay and a bunch of friends from pre-AI days hanging out at this restaurant which had condom-shaped hats as a gag. Clay and friends wore them, and the hats had ome silly writing on them. Mucho controversy.

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ultimate_cin
2005-02-26 05:42 am UTC (link)

I think that the website brings up some very good points about this Fran person...I was at the concert in Detroit when Clay announced that the foundation was becoming a reality, and he was so happy and pleased about it...Hopefully it all gets straightened out because it would be a shame to see the foundation get run into the ground by some 40-something-old fangirl.

As for Clay being innocent....hah! I had a picture of him standing behind the makeup artist on the AI tour with his hands on her breasts. I don't have the original picture anymore, but I still have the icon I made of it somewhere, I think...it said "Her boobs are pastede on yay"....;)

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	(Anonymous) 2005-02-26 07:58 am UTC (link)
	I recall seeing somewhere (on Defamer or something of that sort) that that photo was actually a hoax, but you never know. -queensugar (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	misswindy 2005-03-01 07:44 pm UTC (link)
	No one ever proved its veracity either way, but I personally think it was real. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adora_spintriae 2005-02-26 05:58 am UTC (link)
	Um, who, or what, is Clay Aiken? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kicklecubicle 2005-02-26 11:00 am UTC (link)
	Clay Aiken is a neurotic little git who only wishes he was as cool as Petty Booka. He came in second place on American Idol, losing to Ruben Studdard, who's single was called like, "Sorry, 2004!" (Sorry, because Clay Aiken is not as cool as Petty Booka. Also, Ruben Studdard is not as cool as Patrick Swayze.) And that's my contribution to the Claymate Encyclopedia. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	misswindy 2005-03-01 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	He's a pop singer who got his start on American Idol. His public persona is quite the paradox, hence, tons of wank have emerged from his fandom. (Reply to this)(Parent)

misswindy
2005-03-01 08:00 pm UTC (link)

Man... this is sad. I think they've got a pretty airtight case about this woman being a total con artist. Did you see this?

The fact that she is using his professional business activities to solicit finances for his non-profit is a huge issue with the IRS. Skinner-Lewis has crossed that boundary between profit and non-profit repeatedly. From the beginning, when she as Claythud urged the fans to buy his products and attend his concerts, and to donate their purchased tickets and products back to the Bubel/Aiken Foundation in order that the Foundation could turn around and use them as promotional items, she has breached IRS regulations.

If true... Yikes.

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