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Schoen-chan ([info]schoenschoen) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-06-07 15:47:00


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Current mood:Cliquish
Current music:Gimme some old timey wank and roll!
Entry tags:anime/manga, crazy people, fanfic, flouncing, pairing wars

The mother of all Slayers Wanks...
*Zanne, this one's for you! You *said* you wanted to see some Slayers Wank!* *annoying blow-by-blow commentary provided so you don't have to wade through several months' worth of Mailing List posts* This one's got everything: flames, sockpuppets, shipping, heroin, trolling, character bashing, snuff fics, BNF's ganging up on a troll, childhood abuse, hermaphrodites, SI/Mary Sue authors, and Hitler!

It started innocently enough. I guess.

In July of 2001, Li-chan, a girl on the The Demon and Dragon ML, a rather docile little mailing list for people who like the Xellos/Filia pairing in Slayers, received a weird review on FF.net. It said something like: "As a character expose, it relies on an invented premise.... to show another invented turmoil in Xelloss." Watch a few fangirls get pissed.
Well... yeah. One *does* have to 'invent' a premise for a fanfic, thus causing an 'invented' turmoil... So, whatever.

But the wank keeps on going! A few days later, Elf *sorta one of our cultish Xellia BNF's* gets a review from GUTB, herself. There is much explaining and calm discussion among the group members about 'canon' and so forth... And Jen tells everyone to calm down and relax...

And then Elf gets a reply from GUTB, and adds her own snarky comments, a bunch of other people start a thread, somewhere tea is likened to an orgasm, and the wackiness continues. Lots of fun topics also pop up for discussion, like how Xellos can impregnate a human woman *or a dragon*, Machiavelli's "The Prince", GUTB is likened to Hitler, a really bizarre canon Mazoku love story involving GUTB and a tentacle beast with 20 heads *an actual Mazoku from the novels, no less!*, Mazoku being declared the third sex, and someone screaming IT'S FAN FICTION, dumb @$%! For added amusement, follow the threads at the bottom of those posts. ^_^

Then... at some point...
GUTB decides that he needs to write his own fic. What does he title this masterpiece? In-Character Xelloss and Filia. *please be aware, the fic was originally posted sometime in the early summer of 2001. He reposted it this past March, apparently in an attempt to troll for more flames. Read the reviews - they're funneh!* Not too pretentious, heavens no! Naturally, Ryo makes an open invitation to MST the thing.

And here are some various responses to GUTB's story and him in general. Then he posts something retarded on some other ML and the wanking starts all over again! Someone even suggests inviting him to the Mailing List just for the fuck of it. Which is eventually rendered a mute point, because as soon as the conversations turn away from GUTB, some random lurker *sockpuppet? maybe?* points out GUTB is already there! Uh oh!
Well, seeing as how he's already reading, BJ asks the eternal question: "So, is Guy Under the Bridge actually a reference to the fact that you are a troll, or is it about heroin?" Elf then tells everyone to calm down because GUTB is listening.

And just when you think it's over, and a week or so goes by without a mention of him, GUTB posts his formal introduction! Guess he got tired of not getting any attention... Ryo notes that she forgot to post a MST of his fic, does so, and is rebutted with "Your MST sucks, because my prose are rock solid" *snort* Priceless. And Ryo tells him so. Several long, boring posts go by about dragon birthrates and how silly knowledge of actual anthropology has nothing to do with dragons! Finally, Li-chan jumps up and demands that GUTB be booted from the list. Youlie does a total 180 and decides GUTB hasn't done anything wrong except trying to incite a flame war, so we shouldn't kick him off, and by doing so, nearly starts a flame war herself. *check the replies to that comment for the other wank to be had* Youlie starts getting nasty with the other members, some random lurker leaves GUTB a string of swear words, and even though Crystal Dawn is not with us, she is with us in the spirit of bashing GUTB. CD returns, also asking the mods to kick the asshat out, and finally Gubby is temp-banned!

And the wank *still* doesn't end once he's gone! Youlie gets pissed because GUTB was banned, and proceeds to yell at everyone for being fascit, elitist pigs. Irony-chan quits because she's sick of hearing this crap, (the link isn't to an actual post she made, because she left without saying anything) and finally, after giving everyone her whole, sad life story, Youlie quits, never to be heard from again.

And peace and quiet returned to the land.

But I leave you with a quote from my dear friend Kamo-chan on the "Let's make a GUTB-must-die page" matter:

Ya know, I just might do that... along with the "Michael the Red Priest and Oscar the Hermaphroditic Super Saiyan United in Love!" shrine I was thinking of doing... a piccie of Rezo with Darien's head glued on next to Goku with a fawning Artemis, standard mushy shrine stuff to the effect that the two are a match made in heaven (or some otherworldly realm at least).

ETA=> found the shrine Jamie was threatening the world with. It's here, if anyone wants to look!



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[info]zannechaos
2003-06-08 02:38 am UTC (link)
Oh my god... I knew this guy was wanky (I stumbled over that IC-X/F 'fic of his way back when; I just hadn't felt motivated to join mailing lists at the time...unfortunately) but I didn't realize how bad.

I'm laughing hysterically here, dearie. I love you!

Why am I hearing Sluggy Freelance voices chanting 'Spam Satan! Spam
Satan!"
- I lost it there.

And oh gawd. I'm afraid you have missed the point so completely that it would make Gourry kneel in awe of the superior cluelessness. - I've got to congrat Irony on that dig.

And now I want to make an Orgasmic Tea icon. XD

...I really wish I'd been in the mood to get on mailing lists back then. ::eyes a tagline:: "I do not look like Jesus. Jesus didn't have a C-cup."

... Thank god I decided to not look at the screen before I was finished drinking my coffee (I need orgasmic tea now, demmit!) 'cause I just reached that Fanfiction written about him...

Canon, the one word keeping me and my dear Poo-poo-pie apart! If only he would accept that Mazoku, even those as hideous and vile as myself, can feel such sweet passion for another, then we could be together. I picture us taking long walks in the park, my vines wrapping around him as he smiles up at me, beaming with delight.

I'm going to go crawl off to my grave and die from laughter now, thank you.

Ah, the IC-X/F story. I read that, and didn't even bother to review it. I just toddled off to my account settings and banned his sorry little ass from ever reviewing one of my fics. I know what trolls smell like, and this dude REEKS. Just that one fic was sufficient to convince me all on its own that it was Wanky to the Max. I just didn't realize how much fun I was missing on the list XD

HITLER! Germany! Genocide! (And Saichuro was a creepy, abusive, domineering, controlling, Frollo-ish, twisted genius sonuvabitch, for the record. ^_^,V,,)

Boy... I'm glad Li-chan doesn't know how to channel the Dragon Slave. "Darkness beyond twilight..." I think half the country would be vaporized from as pissed as she's getting. XD

Oh god! Yes, this is a classic wank. There's even a small penis reference! ::plans to hi-5 Irony-chan for that::

::clicks pause to refill her coffee::

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[info]aruru
2003-06-08 02:49 am UTC (link)
With a name like "Guy Under The Bridge," I'm surprised it didn't raise enough red flags that it was a troll from the very start.

I'm amazed they didn't just ban him from the moment he appeared instead of letting the flamewar blaze on, to be honest. I mean, he certainly wasn't coming in to contribute an opposing but intelligent perspective on the couple debate, so...

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[info]zannechaos
2003-06-08 03:06 am UTC (link)
Initially, when I found the fanfic crap he pulled out of his ass, there wasn't anything to indicate what GUTB stood for. I made up my own definition for it, which apparently wasn't far off: Grossly Unintelligent Trollish Bastard.

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(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 03:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 04:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:42 am UTC

[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 03:32 am UTC (link)
Oh, but didn't you know?! We're elitist, closed-minded, cliquish Nazis when we ban known trolls! We were supposed to give him an even bigger chance to start flame wars than we already did!

Wonder what dear Youlie-chan would say if she saw this?

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(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-07-22 06:48 pm UTC

[info]zannechaos
2003-06-08 03:04 am UTC (link)
::tries to distract her muse from writing a SW parody with Sylphiel as Luke and Phibby as Vader now...::

This even references Yul Brynner's legs! It has all my favorite things!

Crow: No, the dragon's naughty bits go to Goku. Apparently he collects those.

::gets out the cards and starts playing poker with the maggots, can't get any more dead at this point:: HUGE TRACTS OF LAND!

Could this guy possibly get any more pretentious and full of shit?

Oh, thank you, dearie. This was a faboo laugh.

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 03:30 am UTC (link)
No, thank *you* for reminding me of it! XD *cue circular ego stroking*

And because you demanded it, I now have a Tea-gasm icon. XD Irony *so* needs to see this shit.

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(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 04:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 04:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-07-22 06:51 pm UTC
ROFLMFAO - [info]jerry_ds_girl, 2003-06-08 07:28 pm UTC

[info]aruru
2003-06-08 02:41 am UTC (link)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Oh man, I remember having once been shown the "In-Character Xelloss and Filia" fic (probably one of my Xel x Filia-liking friends). I laughed my butt off because it was SO very obviously a troll, but I HAD NO IDEA the guy was so persistent! Absolutely priceless, from both sides of the fence!


As for Xel x Filia fans, personally I don't care much for the coupling, but I do love having my Gaav have his ocassional squabbles with my friend's Xel, and he's usually chasing Filia (when he isn't being a slut distracted by everyone else he finds sexy XD), since that's her bias and all, and I have no qualms with that. The particularly rabid fans that insist that the pairing is actually canon tend to make me go "What?", though, but I have that reaction all the time when confronted by the OTPer types anyway. *shrug*

(BTW, another mutual friend of ours has a Phibby LJ, too. ^_-)

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 02:58 am UTC (link)
As for Xel x Filia fans, personally I don't care much for the coupling,
To each their own. ^_^ Not a thing wrong in the world with that.

The particularly rabid fans that insist that the pairing is actually canon tend to make me go "What?", though, but I have that reaction all the time when confronted by the OTPer types anyway. *shrug*

Yeah, I totally agree. I will admit that Xel/Fil is my absolute favorite Slayers pairing *aside from maybe Gaav/Nagha, but that's because I'm strange XD* and that I have pretty solid arguments for it, but there's nothing other than circumstancial evidence, at best. And it's definitely no passionate, raging love affair. More like sick, twisted, and fucked up. XD You know I love it. But it's not even *bordering* on any of the countries *surrounding* 'canon'.

What *I* hate are pushy people who demand you take their own pet pairing as the 'word' - there was a time when this was the majority of people in the Slayers fandom. It was *really* annoying as all fuck.

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(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 04:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 04:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 06:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 06:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 09:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 09:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 10:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 04:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 04:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 04:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 05:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 05:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 06:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 06:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 09:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 09:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 07:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 07:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 07:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 08:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-07-22 07:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 05:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sporky, 2003-06-08 11:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-09 04:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-09 05:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sporky, 2003-06-10 02:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-07-22 06:57 pm UTC
Oh My!
[info]zannechaos
2003-06-08 05:40 am UTC (link)
This list was initially created for X-F fans. Other disgussions are welcome here.
- Youlie

Should we start calling wanky flamish trolling topics going on in a ML or on a board a "disgussion"? A lot of people are disgusted, that's for sure!

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Re: Oh My!
[info]rann
2003-07-22 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh yes yes. n.n There REALLY needs to be a wank glossary so you can put that on there!

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Re: Oh My! - [info]zannechaos, 2003-07-22 07:06 pm UTC
Re: Oh My! - [info]rann, 2003-07-22 07:08 pm UTC

[info]nevadafighter
2003-06-08 06:36 am UTC (link)
Uh, am I the only one who can't read the wank? *cries at being deprived of such an epic spat of wanking*

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 06:57 am UTC (link)
Do you mean you can't understand why it was posted, or you can't find the pages it's on? O_o
Basically, a very condensed version is this:
There once was a troll named GUTB. He thought it would be funny to run around flaming fanfiction authors of a particular shipping. He also thought it would be funny to troll for flames by posting a really obvious character-bashing story. Some fans took the bait, and got pissed. The fans got even *more* pissed when he joined their "for that specific pairing" ML and began a flame war there. He got banned and one of the girls on the ML continued the flame war by bitching that he got banned for trolling. She left, and that was that.

Damn, even the *condensed* version is long! But, really - it's just one, huge wank-tastic orgy once you get into it. ^^ People shouting at each other, making fics about each other, it's great!

If it's that Yahoo!Groups keeps giving you an ad message for every link you click, just hit the "continue to message" link at the top of the page. ^^;; It's tons of fun to be had by all...

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Re: - [info]nevadafighter, 2003-06-08 07:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 07:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 07:10 am UTC
Re: - [info]nevadafighter, 2003-06-08 07:12 am UTC

[info]misswindy
2003-06-08 07:01 am UTC (link)
I honestly and sincerely think this wankfest should win some kind of award.

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 07:13 am UTC (link)
Why, thank you! It *did* take me three and a half hours just to get all those links posted. ^_~

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[info]sporky
2003-06-08 07:09 am UTC (link)
GUTB is a treasure. He should be stuffed and mounted. He makes normal canonwhores look like mpreg writers of AU omnislash. He is the head of the canon-nazis. Although he has a thing for writing Sherra fic.

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 07:13 am UTC (link)
And to that all I have to say is...

SEIG NACHO! *salutes*

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Re: ARGH!
[info]chaobell
2003-06-08 07:17 am UTC (link)
"...my prose are rock solid..."

Must...not...crack...Zero...Wing...joke.....AARGH!!

TAKE OFF EVERY 'FIC!' YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WRITING!

I'm sorry. I'm so very sorry. I couldn't stand it.

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Re: ARGH!
[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 07:30 am UTC (link)
I could almost make an icon of that, but I know Zanne has one lying around somewhere already. ^^;;;

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Re: ARGH! - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 07:49 am UTC
Re: ARGH! - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 08:01 am UTC
Re: ARGH! - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 08:19 am UTC
Re: ARGH! - [info]zannechaos, 2003-06-08 08:33 am UTC
Re: ARGH! - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 08:52 am UTC

[info]uniquesnowflake
2003-06-08 08:30 am UTC (link)
*goggles*

As much as I love Slayers, THIS is why I never got into the fandom.

Jesus fucking Christ on a pogostick.

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[info]zannechaos
2003-06-08 08:39 am UTC (link)
And YOUR icon makes me giggle!

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-08 08:54 am UTC (link)
The fandom's died down alot now.

It's kinda sad, in a way, that people are starting to forget about it and move on. But when I look back at the kind of utter wankery that used to go on, I'm also kinda glad that people aren't beating it with sticks anymore.

At least it's nowhere *near* the levels of wank HP fandom is seeing right now. O_O

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(no subject) - [info]uniquesnowflake, 2003-06-08 09:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 09:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]uniquesnowflake, 2003-06-08 09:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 09:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]uniquesnowflake, 2003-06-08 09:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 10:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]uniquesnowflake, 2003-06-08 10:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2003-06-08 11:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2003-06-08 09:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-07-22 07:06 pm UTC

[info]zannechaos
2003-06-09 06:45 am UTC (link)
Even as late as December, he was still holding firm in the memories of people in the fandom - even on other lists.

I found the e-mail from Jhiend that I replied to in which she referenced GUTB on the AZRoyalBlue list.

I also am pretty certain now that I *DID* comment on his "IC X/F" story. I just missed the part where you said that it was *RE*posted, and then after thinking about it, I remembered there were a LOT more and far more snarky feedback comments. But I pretty much put his idiotic behavior out of my mind, and forgot about it for the most part.

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[info]kirarose
2003-06-09 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Wow, is the same GUTB that used to be around years ago? H/she's always been like this. I'm trying to think back when the last time I saw GUTB... I think it was in the Ranma 1/2 fandom and that was back quite a few years ago... hmmm six years ago? five? I don't know! argh...

Anyway, if same guy under the bridge... long long history of this kind of thing!

BB

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[info]schoenschoen
2003-06-10 05:09 am UTC (link)
Yep! Exact same guy! *I remember some of the Ranma fans on the D&D mentioning this, too!*

Whatta asshat.

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(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-07-22 07:07 pm UTC

[info]rann
2003-07-22 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Commenting on this vintage piece of wank, this caught my eye from Youlie's goodbye-post:
My father was abusive, screamed, beat me, possibly even raped me.
... What, she doesn't KNOW? o.O I think that's something you'd kind of, y'know, know whether he did or not. I mean, sure, she could be repressing memories... but if you repress memories, you DON'T REMEMBER THEM! It's not "Oh, well, maybe I remember them, maybe I don't."
Her life's story honestly sounds like she went out, found a bunch of other peoples' angsty life stories, and kludged them together to make one. She wasn't sure about including the rape, and in her hurry to try and make everyone feel bad, let some of her inner monologue seep in. "Now, does I include the rape or does I not include the rape?"
... Or maybe I'm just bitter and mistrustful, whatchathink? ^.^

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