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Becca Stareyes ([info]beccastareyes) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-03-02 08:10:00
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Alas, poor FanficRants! Three times in 24 hours? Aren't you tired?
Well, since the potential George R. R. Martin wank I was watching died in infancy, I'll just have to settle for FanficRants.

Calluna gives a rant on the correct meaning on the word canon. One would assume that this would be preaching to the choir.

But Herongale objects.
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[info]kraken_sleeps
2005-03-02 04:28 pm UTC (link)
To say that canon is, at the core, the "facts" of the story is not really an authoritative understanding of how the word has been used throughout history, and therefore makes you look a little silly for pinning down the meaning it has AT ONE MOMENT IN TIME and saying that this is what it ought to mean, forever and ever.

[info]herongale's on some serious drugs, isn't she? Clearly something like HP or LOTR etc where there's book canon and film canon would completely confuse her. Not to mention all the comicbook adaptations.

*teh English PhD student studying fandom, she go boom*

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(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 12:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kraken_sleeps, 2005-03-03 11:33 am UTC
Rather beside the point, but... - [info]castellated, 2005-03-03 11:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-05 07:33 pm UTC

tourette
2005-03-02 05:08 pm UTC (link)
I saw that, you know. The willful misunderstanding and insistence on being offended gives us so much wank. I'm sure Herongale was taking this quite personally, as if a disagreement on the meaning of canon was a personal attack.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-02 05:09 pm UTC (link)
GRRM wank?! I didn't think he had much of a fandom. Are there LeatherPants!Jaime fangirls? On second thought, don't answer that as I think I'm happier living in ignorance.

*goes off to check website, in hopes that a release date for AFFC has been posted since the last time I checked*

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(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2005-03-02 05:16 pm UTC
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[info]cathowl
2005-03-02 05:15 pm UTC (link)
I have much love for the OP, now.
I write a lot of AU fanfiction. In fact, I'm pretty sure all my fics are AU in some way or another...
But I still respect, acknowledge, and study the canon.
I mean, if I didn't bow to the canon in at least some ways, like... Personality of characters? Well, I might as well be writing original fiction.
...Which I do, though it's not online yet.

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[info]ashenmote
2005-03-02 05:48 pm UTC (link)
OP: Canon is canon, subtext is subtext. And AU is AU. (If we disregard all things Marvel.)
HG: You debase subtext by calling it...subtext! HOW DARE YOU!

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Ah, Marvel... - [info]cpip, 2005-03-02 06:14 pm UTC
Re: Ah, Marvel... - [info]rustybitch, 2005-03-02 07:21 pm UTC
Re: Ah, Marvel... - [info]rogue, 2005-03-02 09:28 pm UTC
Re: Ah, Marvel... - [info]rustybitch, 2005-03-02 09:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2005-03-02 06:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2005-03-02 06:28 pm UTC

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[info]whimsy_chan
2005-03-02 05:59 pm UTC (link)
Herongale: And my point is... so what? Who cares if some fangirls want to call subtext canon? WHO CARES? That's what fangirling is all about.

Wow. That has got to be the worst argument ever. I think Herongale loses at the internet.

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(no subject) - [info]hypno_jango, 2005-03-02 06:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 12:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hypno_jango, 2005-03-03 01:00 am UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2005-03-02 11:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 12:32 am UTC
Do not rant on my opinion damnit!
[info]rustybitch
2005-03-02 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Incorrect. I am condemning saying that the fannishness of fans is bad. If you want to rant about other aspects of fandom, be my guest.

But her pet peeve is...what? Sacrosanct?

Herongale is amusing.

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Re: Do not rant on my opinion damnit! - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 12:28 am UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2005-03-02 06:18 pm UTC (link)
And my point is... so what? Who cares if some fangirls want to call subtext canon? WHO CARES? That's what fangirling is all about.

Actually, that is kind of true. However, there is a line to be drawn.

Gushing about how subtext is omgsocanon with fellow fangirls who are familiar with a series? Fine.

Telling a newcomer that subtext is canon, thus confusing them? Not good.

Basically, if you're going for an actual explanation, use the dictionary definition of canon. If you're just having fun fangirling it up with your friends, then screw the dictionary. XD

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(no subject) - [info]croik, 2005-03-02 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-03-02 09:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 12:23 am UTC

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-04 11:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-03-04 08:33 pm UTC
Let's enshrine ignorance
(Anonymous)
2005-03-02 06:22 pm UTC (link)
What really got my goat (and I tried to post a non-wanky response back, but think I was so annoyed that I failed) is the "I'm ignorant but I am going to legitimate my ignorance by saying that I can use a term any way I want because precise definitions merely indicate conservatism and territoriality" approach, and she posted here.</i> Some of her internal points are valid, but the whole is just .... gah.

--Mincot (had to post as an anonymouse as I don't have a JournalFen account). (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fanficrants/509143.html?thread=13254359#t13254359)

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Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - (Anonymous), 2005-03-02 06:23 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]lurker32, 2005-03-02 06:41 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - (Anonymous), 2005-03-02 06:46 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]rosalita, 2005-03-03 01:51 am UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]isntitironic, 2005-03-02 06:55 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]lurker32, 2005-03-02 07:05 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]rustybitch, 2005-03-02 07:29 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]carlanime, 2005-03-02 09:12 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 12:17 am UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]carlanime, 2005-03-03 02:54 am UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 03:03 am UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]carlanime, 2005-03-03 03:04 am UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]cimorene111, 2005-03-03 09:22 am UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]funwithrage, 2005-03-03 10:53 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]cimorene111, 2005-03-04 02:45 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]castellated, 2005-03-03 11:14 pm UTC
Re: Let's enshrine ignorance - [info]herongale, 2005-03-05 07:27 pm UTC

rachelthedemon
2005-03-02 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Damn, Fanficrants is overwanking today. I saw this and wanted to post it, but I'd already done a report. Pity, because Herongale's funny as hell. All we need is for Tomakobriefs to step in, and we'll have Wanktopia on our hands.

I posted a similar rant a long while back. Why couldn't mine get this funny wanky? Not fair! *sniff*

...

Can Calluna have my internet baby? Please?

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(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2005-03-03 12:57 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-02 06:41 pm UTC (link)
This is the oldest debate in all fandom...

Many people don't know the difference between an objective statement (canon) vs a subjective one (fanon/subtext). Hence all the wankery.

I always took AU to mean a story where the author takes only the charas and maybe some elements of the original story and transplants them into a world that is completely unrecognizable from the canon one. So while making Harry and Draco a couple while they're attending Hogwarts is fanon, if they were placed in, oh--the world of Sailor Moon, that would be AU.

Or am I wrong?

-mima

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[info]funwithrage
2005-03-02 07:33 pm UTC (link)
Fanficrants: Refractory period? We don' need no steeenkin' refractory period!


Alternatively, I suppose this is how you can tell a community is female.

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[info]mana
2005-03-02 07:56 pm UTC (link)
Anytime someone tries to clear up what is canon and what isn't canon, people go apeshit.

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(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-03-02 09:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pesky, 2005-03-02 11:04 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-02 08:45 pm UTC (link)
wank me! http://www.livejournal.com/community/sailormoonfans/573342.html#comments

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(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2005-03-02 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-03 03:28 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-02 08:53 pm UTC (link)
This is really the best comment:

"Perhaps I don't run in the same circles you do, then. I could never conceive of a situation where I'd tell some Harry Potter fan that Ron/Hermione or Harry/Hermione is not canon and have "a million shippers" flame me."

Clearly this chic doesn't get out in the fandom much. I mean how the hell could you possibly be a reader of fanficriants and not ever have a clue about this beats me!

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(no subject) - [info]rustybitch, 2005-03-02 09:20 pm UTC
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dracothelizard
2005-03-02 09:50 pm UTC (link)
GRRM wank? How cute. Makes me wonder if there's Terry Goodkind wank, 'cause his books are batshit insane enough for it.

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(no subject) - [info]jrandomlurker, 2005-03-03 01:02 am UTC
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[info]snacky
2005-03-02 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Calluna: You know, the sky is blue. Whether you want it to be or not, it's a fact. Blue is the color of the sky.

Herongale: OMGWTF! *froths* You don't know the meaning of the word "blue!" And you just oppressing and sneering at those of us who like to see the sky as purple, or green! Fuck you and blue-loving ways, bitch!

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(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-02 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2005-03-03 12:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2005-03-03 01:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2005-03-03 01:46 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2005-03-03 03:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2005-03-03 06:21 pm UTC

[info]herongale
2005-03-02 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, well. What can I say? *shrugs sheepishly* Even I have my really bad days from time to time.

Everyone, please feel welcome to enjoy my total meltdown into wank. I made it pretty easy for you all, didn't I? :)

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(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2005-03-03 12:59 am UTC
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[info]rustybitch
2005-03-03 01:38 am UTC (link)
Herongale, do allow me to spork you.

Nah, my pet peeve is... likely to get me peeved. :)

Glad to have amused you. It's rare for me to be as hands-down furious with the world as I was yesterday, and so that was a pretty unusual display, for me. Enjoy what you've got; yup, enjoing I've offered privately to the OP to delete the comments if she wants me to, because my wank is distracting from her rant at this point. No deleting! (Not that I care about what is up there, of course... anyone is welcome to read it... but in retrospect I feel kind of bad for being so gratuitously harsh. So whatever the OP wants to do is fine by me.) Passive-aggressievness yay .

Ups, too much fun, couldn't help myself.

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(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-03 02:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rustybitch, 2005-03-03 02:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rustybitch, 2005-03-03 02:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2005-03-03 02:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-05 07:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2005-03-05 07:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2005-03-05 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2005-03-05 09:33 pm UTC

[info]lurker32
2005-03-03 02:20 am UTC (link)
I do believe this is the Hallmark Special of wanks. FROTHING FURY followed by a heartwarming reconciliation!

*tear*

*tapes for future viewing with the family*

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(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2005-03-03 02:32 am UTC
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[info]the_clansmen
2005-03-03 03:54 am UTC (link)
I thought Herongale's first post sounded rather holier than thou. I was picturing a little halo above his/her head. Thus I started laughing when I saw the second post.

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(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2005-03-03 02:41 pm UTC
To quote Neo, "WHOA."
[info]straykat
2005-03-03 04:12 am UTC (link)
*hands a few dozen towels and a Sam's Club sized box of cigs to FanFicRants*

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[info]faultypremise
2005-03-03 04:46 am UTC (link)
*sob* I'm gonna go slit my e-wrists now. 3 times.

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(no subject) - [info]cimorene111, 2005-03-03 09:24 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-03 09:47 am UTC (link)
Sad little JF accountless Anonymouse requesting someone wank this: wanky anime artists, yaoi cliches up the ying-yang, and MORE!

http://img.not4chan.org/sm/res/11293.html

Just in case anyone is wondering, Sublunary is a webcomic at
http://sublunary.keenspace.com/ It is not work-safe: between the neon hair/raver clothing and the shota, it might kill your eyes.

Sublunary artist that posted on 4chan.
http://uppertorso.deviantart.com/

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