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St. Ignatius of Antioch ([info]ignatius) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-03-05 01:27:00


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Current mood:Peeved

Alright, I give in. You’re all wanky- Congratulations.
So over in the Buffy/Angel fandom, there are a bunch of people who really, really don’t like each other, and yet cannot seem to stop reading each other’s entries, and taking everything they find therein as personal attacks.

On Monday, Jennyo posted a discussion thread on race and fanfic. It’s not really wanky, though some people later take offence at her over generalizing.

Some other people LJ on the subject, some thoughtfully, some defensively. But things don’t really heat up until JaneDavitt posts.

Glossing gets upset when, as part of the larger post on race and fandom, Jane highlights the fact that Gloss complained that a one-off character with three lines of dialogue doesn’t get any fandom love, apparently because he’s coded as “really gay,” and fandom is misogynistic… wait, I think I crossed my wank streams there.

Glossing responds. No commenting allowed!

Jennyo posts. No commenting allowed! She also uses the word “evil” twice.

Ashlyn26 decides to jump in. No commenting allowed! But only because they started it.

Ros_fod gives us some background on Gloss.

Swmbo responds.

I’m sure there’s a lot more. I’m sure there’s going to be a lot more. You all hate each other. We get it.



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[info]airawyn
2005-03-05 09:02 am UTC (link)
Ha! I've written (at least, co-written) fic with Gunn in a wheelchair! Shouldn't that count double?

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[info]ignatius
2005-03-05 09:15 am UTC (link)
Nope, sorry. By putting Gunn in a wheelchair, you're Othering disabled people.

I think. I'm sorry, I wasn't really paying attention to the "Othering" wank.

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(no subject) - [info]airawyn, 2005-03-05 09:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2005-03-05 10:56 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-09 11:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2005-03-10 08:24 am UTC

[info]miss_kitten
2005-03-05 09:09 am UTC (link)
Don't these people have, like, knitting or something they could be doing instead? And could they do it away from their laptops? And maybe could they also just STFU?

Am I the only one who just doesn't care?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:19 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:51 am UTC
(no subject) - dearladydisdain, 2005-03-05 10:08 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 10:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2005-03-05 10:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nolivingman, 2005-03-05 07:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 06:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lindentree, 2005-03-06 09:13 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_kitten, 2005-03-05 11:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2005-03-06 01:16 am UTC
Nope. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 10:01 am UTC
Re: Nope. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 02:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-03-06 06:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2005-03-06 07:37 am UTC
A bit random but...
[info]iczer6
2005-03-05 09:39 am UTC (link)
Nelson Muntz triumphs over Lisa & Milhouse.

Isn't that what usually happens in the series?

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 09:42 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry, that Jenny person should just get schtupped already.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 10:10 am UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/spicylemon/102146.html


^anonymous!wank.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 10:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]onetrickpony, 2005-03-05 07:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 04:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]onetrickpony, 2005-03-06 02:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 07:57 pm UTC

[info]blue_linnet
2005-03-05 10:13 am UTC (link)
It's kind of scary, because I agree with a large portion (not all, don't get me wrong) of what JennyO says, but...the *way* she says it! Oh my.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-03-05 10:36 am UTC (link)
It’s not really wanky

Yes, it is.

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(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2005-03-05 10:50 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 11:20 am UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/thebratqueen/609506.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/janedavitt/310781.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shadowlongknife/158779.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/lafemmedarla/232411.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/obsessedmuch/252863.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ludditerobot/277272.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mimesere/435414.html

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 12:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 12:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 08:59 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 11:21 am UTC (link)
Isn't it about time Buffy/Wank was made an official OTP? 'Cos let's face it, they're so doing it.

Yay Waffy!

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(no subject) - [info]miss_kitten, 2005-03-05 11:29 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 12:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsource, 2005-03-05 05:55 pm UTC

[info]ashenmote
2005-03-05 11:50 am UTC (link)
*scoffs at everyone and the second-rate pomeranians they rode in on*

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(no subject) - [info]platypus, 2005-03-05 11:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - flightstothesea, 2005-03-06 04:08 am UTC

[info]ladybirdsleeps
2005-03-05 01:40 pm UTC (link)
*baffled*

I think we should gather everyone together and have a nice, calming meditation session. We might have to tie them down first, but it will be good for them.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 04:12 pm UTC

[info]embyquinn
2005-03-05 05:02 pm UTC (link)
I've blundered around for almost two years now, feet in mouth and wet behind the ears and heart on sleeve.

That presents an interesting mental picture. I didn't know human beings could bend quite like that.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Said it before and I'll say it again: sixty cycle square wave hum. All noise, no signal. People just need to STFU and stop reading the people who bug them.

Well, welding JennyO in a box and dropping her in deep water off Santa Monica would be a social good, but I digress.

Anyone else reminded of the "Pick a little, Talk a Little" song from The Music Man? All of the concentration on Glossing may look to the perpetrators like massed public opinion, but it looks to a relative outsider like people ganging up .

Folks? Email and AIM IS the right forum for that kind of crap, if you want anyone to take you seriously, on any level.

Also? Remembering the old social test: Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? would be a very good thing, all around.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 06:28 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]culsu, 2005-03-05 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 07:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 07:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]platypus, 2005-03-05 11:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]platypus, 2005-03-05 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]culsu, 2005-03-05 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 07:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rachelmap, 2005-03-07 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missandrony, 2005-03-06 08:35 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 10:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missandrony, 2005-03-06 11:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 11:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 11:53 pm UTC

[info]carlanime
2005-03-05 05:58 pm UTC (link)
I don't want to cause more wank by asking this in any of the threads over there (assuming there ARE any threads if everyone's gone all non-commenty), but there's one question nagging at me:

How does jennyo, or anyone else, know whether the fanfic authors (who either are or aren't writng Gunn) are white or black or anything else? And that goes for all the other categories, too: how do they know the people they're accusing of middle-class bias didn't, say, grow up desperately poor? Is there some secret code involving icons, or what?

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(no subject) - [info]wrenlet, 2005-03-05 06:23 pm UTC
Time to make JennyO a real LJ legend?
[info]pyratejenni
2005-03-05 06:34 pm UTC (link)

Maybe it's time to just ignore JennyO. Completely. Including gaslighting. When someone brings her up, reply with "Who?" When they offer up links: "Dude, there's no such journal. What are you talking about?" If her posts and comments are c&p'ed: "Um...there's nothing showing up. What are you doing?" And so on.

Reduce her to the status of a LJ urban legend.

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Re: Time to make JennyO a real LJ legend? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 07:13 pm UTC
Re: Time to make JennyO a real LJ legend? - [info]pepperlandgirl4, 2005-03-05 07:56 pm UTC
Re: Time to make JennyO a real LJ legend? - [info]cathowl, 2005-03-05 09:48 pm UTC
Re: Time to make JennyO a real LJ legend? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 11:42 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, everyone is being terribly wanky about the whole thing, but if someone was wanking as furiously in my direction as Jennyo and Glossing seem to be doing to everyone else involved, I'd have a hard time not sending a little back their way.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 08:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]platypus, 2005-03-05 11:46 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Looking at JennyO's journal several things puzzled me - is she at UC Santa Barbara or not? Admittedly I don't know that school incredibly well, but last time I looked it wasn't the cutting edge of class struggle. And being a graduate student in popular culture wasn't going to unloosen the chains of mankind.

Secondly, in one of the posts linked from the above want she says she has scored a three hour lecture class for next term. I might be horribly wrong but last time I checked UCSB doesn't have three hour lecture courses - they have 3 hour graduate seminars, which I doubt a grad student is leading. So what course is she teaching? Or is she TAing like the rest of the graduate student population - in which case she might get to give one or two lectures for practice not lead the entire course. But maybe UCSB is different than other schools.

But wank disguised as literary theory - she should get some points for perfecting that concept.

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(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2005-03-07 10:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-10 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-19 02:18 am UTC
is she Te's mouthpiece?
(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 08:49 pm UTC (link)
This sounds like an old refrain often used by Te, she of current Batman fandom: "Why aren't there more black characters in slash fanfic?"

The simple reason is, the girls aren't writing them. If they wanted to, they would, because since when has fear of going against the grain been a hallmark of slashfic? It certainly hasn't stopped girls from writing rapefic and chanfic and about a million metric tons of Mary Sues, so don't tell me that some kind of cross-cultural fear is holding them back. The very definition of slash goes against the norm: Girls writing boys doing boys.

As for me, I'm just not attracted to black men. That's why I don't write them. Simple. It has nothing to with culture or fear of getting the character wrong or offending black readers. Are rapefic writers afraid of offending rape victims? Are straight girls afraid of offending gay men? If they are, it certainly hasn't made a dent in the fic lists.

So let's quit with the bullshit, eh? If the fanfic authors were just dying to write characters of color, they would, and nothing would stop them, just as nothing stops them from writing mpreg.

...though I wish something would. :)

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Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:00 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:13 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:17 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 10:42 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 11:26 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 11:47 am UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - [info]darkrose, 2005-03-06 03:36 am UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 11:52 am UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 03:44 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 11:08 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 11:40 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - [info]iczer6, 2005-03-06 03:40 am UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - roxannelinton, 2005-03-05 09:41 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-05 09:52 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - [info]hellespont, 2005-03-06 12:50 am UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - [info]kate74, 2005-03-06 01:32 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - roxannelinton, 2005-03-07 12:52 pm UTC
Re: is she Te's mouthpiece? - [info]kenboy, 2005-03-06 01:32 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Pssssst. Anti-Hailey Duff wank brewing on [info]bimbo_duff. Go here. (http://www.livejournal.com/community/bimbo_duff/118845.html#cutid1) Highlights include the use of the word "twat" and an argument over free speech.

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Am I the only one who is glad there are still Buffy wanks?
(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the shows are over, but that doesn't usually mean the fandom's over. But Buffy/Angel fandom has been waning (it seems). So, I'm stoked to see that it's still wankworthy.

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oppression isn't only about color
(Anonymous)
2005-03-05 11:44 pm UTC (link)
jennyo said:

White Respondents: "Because we aren't racists! We swear! It's too hard! Don't hate us because we're white and not oppressed!

Jennyo? Dear? Your audience is mainly comprised of people who belong to the largest group of oppressed people in the world. We're called women.

Now go fuck yourself.

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Re: oppression isn't only about color - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 12:43 am UTC
Re: oppression isn't only about color - [info]karintheswede, 2005-03-06 01:00 am UTC
Whine whine whine. - [info]kenboy, 2005-03-06 01:15 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]platypus, 2005-03-06 01:22 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]kenboy, 2005-03-06 01:30 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]platypus, 2005-03-06 01:48 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]kenboy, 2005-03-06 02:33 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 03:08 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]hermiones_hymen, 2005-03-06 06:51 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 02:57 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]kenboy, 2005-03-06 03:09 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 03:18 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]sexonastick, 2005-03-06 04:19 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]mpoetess, 2005-03-06 05:15 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]mpoetess, 2005-03-06 05:16 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 08:41 pm UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]mpoetess, 2005-03-06 11:03 pm UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-07 02:00 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 03:34 pm UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]msmanna, 2005-03-06 05:08 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - [info]selenis, 2005-03-06 08:01 am UTC
slap slap slap - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 02:29 am UTC
Re: slap slap slap - [info]kenboy, 2005-03-06 02:36 am UTC
Re: slap slap slap - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 02:46 am UTC
Re: slap slap slap - [info]kenboy, 2005-03-06 03:01 am UTC
Re: slap slap slap - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 03:11 am UTC
Oh, for fuck's sake. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 08:45 pm UTC
Re: Oh, for fuck's sake. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-07 12:49 am UTC
Re: Oh, for fuck's sake. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-07 11:10 pm UTC
Re: Oh, for fuck's sake. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-08 04:28 am UTC
Re: slap slap slap - [info]ctrlaltdlt, 2005-03-06 03:02 am UTC
Re: Whine whine whine. - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 11:10 pm UTC
*sets out mousetraps*
[info]darkrose
2005-03-06 03:44 am UTC (link)
Please to be bringing teh funneh, and not wanking inside the house. kthxbai.

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[info]backfromspace
2005-03-06 04:32 am UTC (link)
tl;dr.

All of you.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-06 04:57 am UTC (link)
Buffy Wank: Where BNF's Go To Die

Seriously, I think 90% of this shit is a direct result of a bunch of BNFs in a rapidly dying fandom trying to grasp onto anything to make themselves feel important again.

Ahhh, Fandom.

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(no subject) - [info]green, 2005-03-06 06:57 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 07:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]green, 2005-03-06 07:52 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-06 11:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]green, 2005-03-06 07:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-07 08:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]green, 2005-03-09 11:01 pm UTC

 
   
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