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rowan 2003-06-13 03:54 am UTC (link)

Aiee, the stupid hurts. Especially to a fellow cosplayer. I'm cosplaying as Gon from Hunter x Hunter *points at icon* for a convention next weekend. I'm altering the costume a little - the actual costume is a bright green color. However, my skin tone looks CRAP in that shade of green, so I deepened it to a darker, more pine green. Am I still clearly recognizable as the character? Yes! I'm just working off of the nighttime animation color pallette, that's all. Sometimes people have very good reasons for not looking exactly like the characters. Rar. Those people are frigging idiots. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 04:00 am UTC (link)
	I know. I hardly have the body to be cosplaying as just about anyone, much less Celena or Utena, but not only am I cosplaying as these characters, I'm making the friggin' costumes myself. Gah. I just KNOW that one of these little twits are going to say something about how Celena is supposed to be this bony little thing. *kicks them* (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

schoenschoen 2003-06-13 04:14 am UTC (link)

You're making a costume from Utena? You have my eternal sympathy. My Nanami costume was probably the most expensive, irritating, ill-fitting, and difficult to make potato sack *ever*. Did it look good? Yep. Just tight and hard to do. And, for the love of the gods... Haven't these morons ever seen Otaku no Video? Real Otaku don't *care* if they're not the right build to play a character, or if they wear glasses and the character doesn't - it's more about creating the *impression* you're that character and working from there. Although, I will admit that there is some pride in presenting a perfectly accurate costume, that's *not* what it's all about. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 04:35 am UTC (link)
	*L* I'm using Utena's movie costume- the neat racer pants one with the Chocolate hat? XD I figured that would be more comfortable... although she looks even more like a swizzle stick in the movie than in the series. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

dontgiveahoot 2003-06-14 12:22 am UTC (link)

And speaking of the Utena movie... did you see the post where someone bitched that the cosplayer for Miki had obviously tumbled into a vat of dye and stained his jacket blue? Obviously this wanker hadn't seen the movie, where the Student Council members all wore jackets that matched their hair colours, unlike the series when it was only their trousers. Oi... If you're gong to bitch about inaccuracy, at least do enough research to know if it IS inaccurate or not! Jen / Quoth the Raven (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-14 12:45 am UTC (link)
	....holy shit you're right! o.o!! Those little wankers should die. Especialy since that was a good Miki costume. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

dontgiveahoot 2003-06-14 02:45 am UTC (link)

I agree! Miki is one of my favourite SKU characters - he's one of the few that see Anthy as more of a person and less of an object, right from the start. I'll admit, I like the Utena series better than the Adolesence of Utena movie - but if I haven't seen a series in total (and that means any and all episodes, movies and OAVs) then I always post a disclaimer such as "This is not accurate as far as I know (and then I say what I've seen and not seen of the series)" First rule of qualified criticism - know what you're talking about. Otherwise you're not qualified, and that turns your criticism into wanking. Jen / Quoth the Raven (Reply to this)(Parent)

	schoenschoen 2003-06-13 04:15 am UTC (link)
	:D You're going to Anime Mid-Atlantic, aren't you? Look out for me - I'll be the freak dressed as Sakura from Weiß Kreuz working Security staff. XD (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unoriginality 2003-06-13 05:32 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I could wish. I'm going to Anime Iowa- it's the only one near to where I live that I could even remotely afford. ;_; (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rowan 2003-06-13 08:47 am UTC (link)
	Nope, FanimeCon. Hehe. Next weekend meaning... not this weekend, but the next one. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	anyone else.... dafnap 2003-06-13 04:25 am UTC (link)
	My, those are GIGANTIC signatures they have there...overcompensating much? I swear to *god* that's gotta be the longest loading thread *ever*. -dafnap (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: anyone else.... unoriginality 2003-06-13 04:40 am UTC (link)
	^^;; Couldn't get in to see it? I'm sorry... I think there's a way to tell IE to not load pics, but I don't know it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: anyone else.... ari_ 2003-06-13 11:12 am UTC (link)
	Extras - Internet Options - Extended Tab - scroll down to 'Multimedia' - uncheck the 'show images' checkbox. This is IE 6.0, and I'm translating from a German version, so the exact wording might differ. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aruru 2003-06-13 04:42 am UTC (link)
	Eheheh... well, I do admit that sometimes a few of us folks at TWS Support poke fun at "bad" cosplay when people are really, REALLY not like the characters they're dressed like, but often someone points out if a costume is actually good. ^^; However, people disssing the cosplayer JUST because she had a different hair color? Dang, now that is seriously overboard. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 04:48 am UTC (link)
	I dunno, I thought Sailor Bubba deserved a couple extra points for being willing to even wear that costume. XD Besides that, the costume itself was pretty good. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	nekoneko 2003-06-13 05:13 am UTC (link)
	Yeees. Especially if someone couldn't control their hair color... *coughcoughstupidparentscoughcough* (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2003-06-13 05:11 am UTC (link)
	Did the guy in the Lum costume scare anyone else? I mean DAMN I'm still not conviced it's a guy. [It's rather depressing to find a man who looks better in a bikini than you do.] Cosplay wank sets my teeth on edge. I wonder if these people realize that's it pretty damn impossible for even the most fit person to be a dead ringer for an anime character. Icz (Reply to this)(Thread)

	unoriginality 2003-06-13 11:15 am UTC (link)
	Um... I think that's our very own virago... he mentioned in a reply a couple posts back that he'd been wearing a costume like that, which is what reminded me to post this. ^^;; (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2003-06-13 06:08 pm UTC (link)
	Noooo no no no. Sorry for the confusion. I used it as an example. I am female, and the only thing I've cosplayed as is White Mage from Final Fantasy. ^_^; (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	Well shit. :S Who the hell was it that I saw say that? *wonders and looks around* (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2003-06-13 07:20 pm UTC (link)
	No offense meant, I'm just saying that guy did a damn fine Lum. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)

nevadafighter 2003-06-13 07:01 am UTC (link)

Considering the: - HUGE eyes and abyssmally tiny mouth and nose - impossible physical dimensions - impossible-for-real-hair-to-imitate hairstyles - fact that they're DRAWINGS I would sincerely LOVE to see someone who looks JUST like an anime character in costume. Really. These people are fulla crap. I bet they would look just as lame in those costumes and sure as hell wouldn't be able to take what they dish out. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 07:04 am UTC (link)
	Of course not. They DON'T cosplay, however, so they think that since they're 'smart enough to not do it' they can just sit back and laugh at those of us who have fun doing it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hakainokami 2003-06-13 08:28 am UTC (link)
	I met a belldandy who just about did it- once. Ever. And belldandy is pretty close to human normal. I mean look at most of the char. Impossible to actually be. Though one year there was a gundam who's only problem was size. A little small. They'd probably have ripped him too. Look at him- he is SO not gundam sized. Regs (Reply to this)(Parent)

ueuecoyotl 2003-06-13 07:32 am UTC (link)

Ah, cosplay wank. Gotta love it. Of course, these people clearly have no idea what it's like to cosplay. Ever been to a Japanese convention like Comiket? The cosplayers very rarely dye their hair, let alone get a wig, and no one gets on THEIR cases for doing so. Hell, you have little Japanese girls with black hair dressing as big blond male characters, Pikachu, and a whole mess of characters you wouldn't think possible but they do it because it's FUN. Not because it's a high art or anything, which is what the wankers seem to think. So, these wankers are just depicting the depth of their ignorance. Hee. (I will admit that I HAVE cosplayed before, as a 11 year old character with purple hair. Whilst I do regularly dye my hair, I am neither 11 or male. And man it was fun.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 07:44 am UTC (link)
	XD Yeah, as Becca said, she frequently cosplays as a male character. She does it so well. I wish I could've submitted a picture to these wankers of my friend Erato dressed up as Naga. She's built like Lina pretty much but was wearing a NAGA costume. It was great. She's known as the "naked girl" on campus here. Total urban legend as far as most are concerned. (Reply to this)(Parent)

rowan 2003-06-13 08:51 am UTC (link)

Yeah, Japanese cosplayers are interesting.. it's pretty cool, actually. I watched the official Hunter x Hunter musical fansubbed once (yes, musical - think like the SeraMyu Sailor Moon musicals only, uh, not Sailor Moon). Even in a professional musical, several of the actors (actually the original voice cast playing their characters on stage) didn't wear wigs. So HAH on the wankers, because professionals do it 'wrong'. ;) I'm also cosplaying as a 12 year old male here... and nope, not twelve, nor male. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	split 2003-06-13 10:04 am UTC (link)
	o_O I thought the costumes look pretty good. A lot better than some others I've seen, actually. It's almost impossible to look 100% like an anime character anyway. :D (Reply to this)

dawnswalker 2003-06-13 10:24 am UTC (link)

Heh... well admittedly, I giggle about cosplayers who are REALLY not the right size/shape for a costume, but since I keep in mind that anime girls don't appear to actually have internal organs, I'd like to think that I'm more lenient than the wankers mentioned here. I'd be pretty disgusted at seeing both an obviously unhealthily thin cosplayer in a miniskirt just as much as a corpulent cosplayer in the same kind of outfit. What really gets to me is when I see pictures where there are people scowling at the camera. If you're going to take the effort to cosplay, it should be because you want to, not because your online friends will give you *hugz* and *LOL* at you. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 10:49 am UTC (link)
	Some of them could be trying to be in character, don't forget. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dawnswalker 2003-06-13 10:22 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I know that. It's just that I've seen cases where if anything, scowling would be dramatically out-of-character. Come to think of it, seeing as it's summer and many of the more elaborate costumes are made with lots of foam rubber and have lots of layers, they could be just very uncomfortable. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	-_- That wouldn't surprise me. A friend of mine went as Zelgadis to a con in here in the midwest in AUGUST. Make-up and all. Needless to say, she was very grumpy. Put her in character at least. XD (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ari_ 2003-06-13 11:17 am UTC (link)
	they should *SEE* the file of Japanese male cosplayers who've filmed the Card Captor Sakura opening. Granted, I was screaming with laughter when I saw it (mostly because they also sing the song themselves), but you have to admire them for doing it. I have the movie file at home - do we have webspace where I could put it? It's below 10MB, IIRC... (Reply to this)

	petulance 2003-06-13 03:31 pm UTC (link)
	I think the dude in the bikini looks hawt. =D (Reply to this)

	virago 2003-06-13 06:02 pm UTC (link)
	I...me? I'm female, and now, extremely confused. *reads thread* (Reply to this)(Thread)

virago 2003-06-13 06:14 pm UTC (link)

OK, misunderstanding. I had mentioned male Lum crossplayers to make a point, unbeknownst to me that someone would actually find one. ahem. I'm female and in no shape to wear bikinis. ;) Full disclosure: I haven't cosplayed at conventions, but I've made/sold costumes to people who do, and have done fandom costumes for Halloween (we're mildly laughable if you're in the mood; the page is here [beware messed-up page design]. It was hella fun, though.) I am picky about what I do, but that's just a personal choice and I don't get all pissy about people who don't do things the way I do. Sideline: I have had run-ins with catty cosplayers before (no pun intended). A friend of mine was bitched out on a message board by some twelve-year-old who was, essentially, sour about losing a competition to the guy and his friends. She pulled the purist card, the we're-using-a-more-obscure-anime-thus-we-rule card, the we-spent-more-money card - the wank was truly phenomenal. Finally, though, it came out that she was 12 (she also used this in her defense, like "You shouldn't be saying I'm rude because I'm 12!") and her mother had made everything. Epic stuff. Unfortunately it was over a year ago, so not really wankable. Anyway, although there are bad cosplayers out there and it is somewhat embarrassing to behold, I also have to say that I understand the concept of just going out there and having some goddamn fun. Far be it for me to invoke Snacky's Law, but these little twits really are acting very middle-schoolish and obnoxious. Luckily somebody called them on it. Ahh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 10:31 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, I felt sorry for poor mystic blue *is pretty sure she remembers the name right* having to take them all on herself. *nods* I getcha now. I totally don't know how to read. Still, it reminded me of these guys and I posted about them, so they have been wanked, regardless of how it happened. XD (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2003-06-13 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, no problem. Just clarifying. And that thread really deserved to be FWed, IMO; the level of huffy teenie outrage is smothering. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	Yes it is. Sad little creatures, aren't they? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-06-13 10:27 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm... Okay, I was thinking of someone else. Nevermind, me dear. ^^;; I do apolgize. (Reply to this)(Parent)

dontgiveahoot 2003-06-14 03:08 am UTC (link)

V. Important Disclaimer: I've only seen a couple of 10-second avi clips from the SeraMyuu Musicals, so I could be making a mistake here. But I have seen pics on the web, and... Someone posted a picture of a dark-haired girl in Sailor Venus's costume from the Sailor Moon musical (meaning the costume had a few differences from any of her anime costumes) and the comment about it was that it was bad costuming because she looked like REI in Sailor V's costume. Their complaint had been that her HAIR wasn't blonde. The craziest thing is - her fuku seemed to me to be the wrong colour. Maybe it was just a trick of the light, but I'm positive I saw a red skirt, and a purple bow in front with a red star in its centre - which is, indeed, Mars' fuku. Venus' fuku is supposed to be a reasonably bright orange with navy blue bows- the only bright orange thing in the whole fuku was the puffed sleeves (and that was wrong in any case - if it was Mars they should have been light red, Venus, light orange.) Plus the bow in the hair does indicate Venus. So either it was a nicely-made Mars fuku with a minor mistake/trick of the light in photography, or a nicely-made Venus fuku with a MAJOR mistake. But they don't nail her for her inaccurate choice of colours in the costume itself - they nail her about her hair! Such... wankery. Jen / Quoth the Raven (Reply to this)(Thread)

Re: unoriginality 2003-06-14 03:35 am UTC (link)

Haven't seen the musical. I, however, recognize that wall behind that person (sad, isn't it?). There's a costume site I look at occassionally (rather expensive, but decent) and they have one of the two people who make these costumes model them- they have an ungodly large section devoted to Sailor Moon. After looking at the site again, I discovered that the outfit in question is actually Eternal Sailor Venus. That's supposed to be an orange skirt I guess, but the lighting in the picture is off. http://www.fortunecity.com/business/johns/1394/costume/venus/eternalvenus.html (Reply to this)(Parent)