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Maria ([info]ladyofviolets) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-05-31 14:06:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*
Current music:Rie Tanaka - Fields of Hope

It's an old wank, but still amusing...
With a LJ comm named [info]anti_porn, Wank is just waiting to happen...

[info]artistiqua whines YET AGAIN about how hentai is degrading to women...


I really don't get the hentai/manga porn stuff, what is so sexy about seeing a cartoon girl getting juice all over her, being tied up with ropes, or worse shoved on a speer?! Is that arousing? Oh yeah, people tell you it's "harmless", it's "only a cartoon"...

Once again the body of the woman and the woman itself is portrayed as an object that you can do whatever you like with, even using it for your darkest fantasies.

I don't fucking care if it's "just a comic" because the idea counts. And I really don't know what is worse... Watching a rather "normal" porn movie or jacking off to hentai pictures on the net. Both things pollute and manipulate your mind and sexuality.

*sigh* It is about time somebody bans these things from the net... Though we all know that'll never happen.

Then, [info]raincloudboy asks about yaoi... And this is the answer.


Yaoi would be male on male cartoon action? I think that falls under the same category... It might be a nice lovestory with some erotic scenes but I don't think homosexuality should be promoted like that. But that is just my humble opinion, no offense.

And [info]raincloudboy makes The Question From Hell: Are you Anti Gay? Then [info]hollow_angel butts in...


Hollow Angel: If you are opposed to homosexuality, but not homosexuals themselves (as proof by your bisexual friend) then why discriminate against them?

Unless of course when you say: What I mean is that I don't think homosexuality should be displayed on tv, nor in normal tv-shows and even less so in porn. you mean actual sexuality and not just the relationship that would exist.

I suppose I should really be asking you what you mean by that statement. Are you talking about display of a homosexual relationship, (ie. two people of the same gender obviously dating, or holding hands, or hugging in a romatic way) or are you talking about actual homosexual acts? (ie. sex, kissing, dry humping, suggestive material)
.

Artistiqua: How am I discriminating them? I agree I might do just that to an extent but I would never go up to a person and tell them that they are disgusting for their homosexuality or anything like that.
Just because I don't support or agree with it doesn't mean I discriminate.

And yes, I think any homosexual content should be banned from the media. And I also think hetereosexual actions on tv should also be more, way more limited.

I don't have a problem seeing homosexual couples walking hand in hand or with arms around each other. In fact I think that shows quite innoccent beauty. But there is no need for gay parades and gay couples sticking tongues down their throats in public, and same goes for hetereosexual couples -that is for sure. Do what you have to do, but do it in your bedroom where I don't have to see it.
.

Absofrickinlute: Do you mean that homosexuality shouldnt be presented in the same way that heterosexuality is presented in anime? *bit confused* You dont have a problem with homosexual relationships in general do you? Thats not how I read what you said.....


A shame it didn't keep going. But since replies aren't frozen... oh well.



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[info]kalicephirot
2005-05-31 09:39 pm UTC (link)
But there is no need for gay parades and gay couples sticking tongues down their throats in public, and same goes for hetereosexual couples -that is for sure.

Ohhh, man. I hate it when they've share a part of my opinion. They end up making me feel hypocrite. Damn it.

*in protests, goes to read yaoi!pr0n*

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[info]luckdragonfujur
2005-05-31 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Okage ga Nai? :D

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Keep the OgN icons a comin' - [info]iczer6, 2005-06-01 12:21 am UTC
Re: Keep the OgN icons a comin' - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 12:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 12:45 am UTC

[info]ladyofviolets
2005-06-01 12:28 am UTC (link)
And you NEVER EVER sent OgN to me through YN}SI to see if it's so cool as you say it is...

* sulks in the Dark Corner *

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(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 12:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 12:44 am UTC

[info]annaham
2005-05-31 09:58 pm UTC (link)
This made my day.

*slinks away to go look at some yaoi*

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[info]ailei
2005-05-31 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Do what you have to do, but do it in your bedroom where I don't have to see it.

Wow...that kind of repression is just intense. Ma'am, your Freudian slip is showing.

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[info]jat_sapphire
2005-06-01 12:08 am UTC (link)
It sure is, and I really resent that she's covered it up with a flirty little feminist skirt.

Fess up, artistiqua, you are not complaining about women being objectified, you just think sex you don't do is ICKYICKYICKY and nobody else should be able to see it either!

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(no subject) - [info]memii, 2005-06-01 12:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tiki, 2005-06-01 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ailei, 2005-06-01 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tiki, 2005-06-01 06:52 am UTC

kroki_refur
2005-06-01 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Is that Lou Diamond Philips in your icon?

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(no subject) - [info]ailei, 2005-06-02 12:22 am UTC

[info]drworm
2005-05-31 10:37 pm UTC (link)
... eee, these people are scary.

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[info]dragonkit
2005-05-31 10:39 pm UTC (link)
Of all things to be anti...something about they choose porn?! That is pretty wanky.

And yes, I think any homosexual content should be banned from the media.

We all know that seeing homosexual content makes you gay. She has a point there.

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(no subject) - [info]greypearl, 2005-06-01 02:03 am UTC

[info]mambo
2005-05-31 10:49 pm UTC (link)
Wow, it's the oldest living survivor of the Mayflower! I'm getting just chills basking in her ancient Puritan wisdom.

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[info]oxydosic
2005-05-31 11:00 pm UTC (link)
And I really don't know what is worse... Watching a rather "normal" porn movie or jacking off to hentai pictures on the net. Both things pollute and manipulate your mind and sexuality.

So looking at Yaoi makes you gay? Damn i must be defective then. Wait, i don't have a penis - maybe it only works if you are capable of jerking off.

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(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 12:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonkit, 2005-06-01 01:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 01:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mercutia, 2005-06-01 09:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-06-01 02:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2005-06-02 06:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclair, 2005-06-01 07:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oxydosic, 2005-06-01 02:35 pm UTC

[info]sitt_isis
2005-05-31 11:11 pm UTC (link)
How can anyone in their right mind be turned on by cartoons?!

Uhhh...... *makes guilty face*

Pardon me while I resume "reading" my yaoi doujinshi.

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(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2005-05-31 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sitt_isis, 2005-06-01 12:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonkit, 2005-05-31 11:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yadda, 2005-06-01 12:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sitt_isis, 2005-06-01 12:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 12:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 12:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 12:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 01:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 01:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 01:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 12:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 12:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 12:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2005-06-01 02:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-06-01 03:21 am UTC

[info]themadscientist
2005-05-31 11:42 pm UTC (link)
Gravitation, for instance, is an extremely moving love story,

Clearly, she has not read the manga...

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(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2005-05-31 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-05-31 11:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]themadscientist, 2005-06-01 03:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-06-01 03:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eeveee, 2005-06-01 04:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 01:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 01:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2005-06-01 02:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]themadscientist, 2005-06-01 03:02 am UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2005-06-01 02:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-06-01 03:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wakuchan, 2005-06-02 04:41 am UTC

[info]gmth
2005-05-31 11:59 pm UTC (link)
Whee! What a great comm. All kinds of sexy links and suggestive pics. I'ma join immediately!

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[info]krazycat
2005-06-01 12:25 am UTC (link)
Wow, I'm so far away from the target group of this community. Cool!

We each oppose porn for our own reasons -- usually because of the way it depicts people and sex. We are men and women. We are christians, jews, atheists, and all else. We are NOT man- or sex-hating. Also, we are not _anti_porn

But..the community is called anti_porn? So you are that, but not an underscore more, then?

Pornography is a damaging, patriarchal, social phenomenon, which is generally driven by nothing short of pure capitalism.

And it's HOT.

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[info]ninja_stripper
2005-06-01 12:26 am UTC (link)
Porn is...bad? Huh? Wait...

Porn = boobies and/or manpretty

Boobies and Manpretty = keys to world peace

so does that mean that world peace is bad?

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(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-01 01:08 am UTC
Oh, this is funny.
[info]krazycat
2005-06-01 12:33 am UTC (link)
A newer post: Why I now have a profound respect for George Lucas...
Ling Bai was supposed to be in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but all her scenes were cut out by George Lucas following her decision to pose nude for Playboy. Yay for George Lucas, taking a stand!!!

Yeah, he's really opposed to using actors that have ever posed or performed nude, he really really does.

...my, what is this? Trainspotting, you say?
*gasp* Oh my good, Ewan takes shitloads of drugs in this!
And whoa, that girl is underaged!
And hello, Ewan's penis!

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Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]ladysorka, 2005-06-01 12:37 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]krazycat, 2005-06-01 12:41 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]darkrose, 2005-06-01 12:45 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]krazycat, 2005-06-01 01:02 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]oxydosic, 2005-06-01 12:50 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]krazycat, 2005-06-01 01:03 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]ladyofviolets, 2005-06-01 01:11 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]krazycat, 2005-06-01 01:13 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]oxydosic, 2005-06-01 01:21 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]krazycat, 2005-06-01 01:31 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]krazycat, 2005-06-01 01:32 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]valarltd, 2005-06-04 07:02 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]darkrose, 2005-06-01 12:44 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]oxydosic, 2005-06-01 12:52 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]ladysorka, 2005-06-01 01:11 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2005-06-01 01:57 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]jat_sapphire, 2005-06-01 02:16 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]gloria_mundi, 2005-06-01 02:48 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]ladysorka, 2005-06-01 03:31 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]baskinglizard, 2005-06-01 04:35 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - ataniell93, 2005-06-01 05:02 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]hellespont, 2005-06-02 01:27 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]deadlettero, 2005-06-01 03:38 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]lillyv, 2005-06-01 06:12 am UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-06-01 03:04 pm UTC
Re: Oh, this is funny. - [info]valarltd, 2005-06-04 07:04 am UTC

[info]ladysorka
2005-06-01 12:34 am UTC (link)
I really don't get the hentai/manga porn stuff, what is so sexy about... being tied up with ropes....

Um... no comment?

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[info]rosalita
2005-06-01 01:27 am UTC (link)
Oh please, Ewan's dick is the star of half his movies.

And thank all that is holy for that!

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(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-06-01 05:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosalita, 2005-06-02 05:38 am UTC

[info]hobbitsexual
2005-06-01 01:51 am UTC (link)
what's so wanky about claiming that certain types of porn are degrading to women? Her post was hardly hysterical - certainly not the bit you quoted - and she's right - some porn is *designed* to humiliate women. Part of the jerk-off factor is the degradation inherent to the type of porn it is. Porn can be addictive and desensitising. I don't agree it should be banned off the web, but I don't see how it's that wanky or how it merited your "omgwtfbbq" introduction.



(for the record, am heavily into bdsm-type stuff myself and am female submissive, just am sick of proclivity of fandom-wankers knee-jerk 'how pathetic' reaction to anything even remotely feminist in nature)

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(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-06-01 01:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hobbitsexual, 2005-06-01 02:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-06-01 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2005-06-01 02:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hobbitsexual, 2005-06-01 02:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2005-06-01 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2005-06-01 05:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2005-06-02 02:00 am UTC

[info]pepperlandgirl4
2005-06-01 02:05 am UTC (link)
The best part of that comm is all the links to dirty pictures! Awesome!

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(no subject) - [info]pepperlandgirl4, 2005-06-01 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]twocorpses, 2005-06-01 10:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pepperlandgirl4, 2005-06-01 10:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]twocorpses, 2005-06-01 10:40 am UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2005-06-01 03:19 am UTC (link)
*snicker*

I have a good friend who isn't into porn simply because it doesn't interest her. She has the good sense not to go on a crusade against it.

These anti-porn people? Are just self-righteous asshats who want to control the way everyone thinks, and they can't do it. So they bitch. And whine. And greatly amuse me. XD

I do agree that couples should be more discreet about their sexual escapades, be they gay, lesbian, or het. But that's just common sense and having decent manners.

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[info]mastervex
2005-06-01 05:47 am UTC (link)
If you decide that all porn = the way real sex and sexuality is, doesn't that mean that you're a moron or not quite right in the head? Does porn really have the power to make people crazy and stupid all on its own?
Also, what's a "speer"? Is this some slang that I don't know about?
I agree that nobody needs to be groping anyone or shoving tongues down throats in public though. That's just, you know, common sense and consideration for other people.

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[info]aerobot
2005-06-01 05:48 am UTC (link)
Man that community is petty. It's got some good points, but they blame porn for everything and sneer at those who like porn. Go you, asshats.

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[info]hellespont
2005-06-01 06:34 am UTC (link)
Warning: the following is but one simple feminist's ramble. I have no experience with flame-wars and hope this doesn't change that.

I'm not a big porn fan. I have no idea where the people with the PORN YAY! PEACE THROUGH SEX! PORN CURES ALL ILLS! ideas are coming from, perspective-wise. Of course sex is cool and fun and sexy and funny and good to have. Porn isn't sex. At least I hope to god most people's sex lives are not like most porn, for their own sakes.

I'm not going to say people are wrong for watching/enjoying porn, although I once would have. Working full-time in a porn store has mellowed me. I work in a porn store right now because they were hiring and I need money for tuition, but in the immortal words of Homer Simpson: I don't work very hard. In fact, I'm bringing them down from the inside! Actually, my manager just congratulated me for having the top sales at our location.

My customers shocked me with their normalcy. What kind of person smiles and wishes the clerk a happy day while renting movies called Assault That Ass! and Don't Tell Mommy!? Much of the what I had learned about porn from my readings and associations led me to believe it was watched by men who deeply and obviously hated women. So when I see the cute married couples or dapper old men come up to my counter, I suppose I should feel like I was so wrong, that all kinds of people like porn and it's a normal expression of human sexuality. Instead I feel like saying, "You are so nice. Why do you want to watch very young women get fucked in the ass by strangers, in front of strangers, for money, while being called dumb bitches?"

Of course, in these cases most people rely on the separation of fantasy from reality. Except, porn is reality for the people in it coughing up semen with two or three penises shoved up their vaginas. Whether or not they all make a free and confident decision to do this work and receive adequate compensation, is not something I feel qualified to determine. Although it does cause my hackles to raise when people put erotic fiction, original and or fannish, in the same category as porn. Which I guess would have to put me on the pro-hentai side, except I'm really not.

My feminism is lifelong and deeply-held, but deeply flawed. I spent years online with feminist communities where most posters were vehemently anti-porn. The feminism I learned in those communities was intelligent and vibrant and diverse and nurturing and so far removed from the views of the people here (also so many intelligent, diverse and worldly women and men) that I have no idea how to even bridge the gap. So I won't. I'm not in favor of censorship and I don't think I have the right to control other people's sexuality. In a perfect world, I think porn would exist and would be hot and sexy and all the performers would be paid well and only do it because they really wanted to. In this world, I just don't know what to think.

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(no subject) - [info]mercutia, 2005-06-01 10:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2005-06-02 01:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2005-06-01 12:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]afrai, 2005-06-01 12:37 pm UTC
It doesn't objectify women. - tsuzukilove, 2005-06-03 11:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]valarltd, 2005-06-04 07:08 am UTC

 
   
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