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Alison ([info]alison) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-06-13 13:16:00


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Current mood:Amazed

"Weather forecast for tonight: dark." *
If the War for Independence wasn't enough to split America and Great Britain forever, then we had a recent battle between [info]yonmei and [info]plaidder on what is teh funnieh and what is not.




The skirmish starts here when Yonmei takes umbrage at The Plaid Adder's attempt at a policital commentary:

All right, gents, we're about to become partners in a war that we know is illegal, how do we cover our arses? If I might interrupt, Tony, I'm less concerned about covering our political arses than about the fact that these loonies seem to think that the film stops running after the invasion is over. I quite take your point, old bean, but if you look at it this way: the U.S. is an 8,000 pound gorilla, and Iraq is a banana, now do we want to get between the two of them?

[info]yonmei responds: "I hate to be picky, but one thing's for sure: no one in Tony Blair's cabinet calls anyone else "old bean". It is indeed an upperclass English stereotype phrase, but - though he doesn't sound it - Tony Blair is actually Scottish."

The Plaid Adder states her comments were meant to be a joke. Yonmei says she doesn't find it funny. Things start to get snarky.

The debate over the issue moves over to [info]yonmei's journal where people discuss the merits of English speech and if "old bean" and "gents" would be terms Tony Blair would use or are they stereotypes?

The Plaid Adder shows up on Yonmei's journal to clarify her position and more wankage ensues.


*George Carlin


UPDATED: To correct spelling mistakes. :)



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[info]livii
2005-06-13 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Wot wot? I say, old bean, that's not very sporting! Load of tosh, pip pip.

My god, could yonmei get her knickers anymore in a twist about this? (*giggleknickersgiggle*) C'mon, girl, let's have one of those beautiful big British smiles.

P.S. There was certainly much to take umbrage with about Umbridge but I think the joke's wearing thin...

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[info]dreamtoday
2005-06-13 09:05 pm UTC (link)
you know it's so hard to be British. must be harder still to be Tony Blair. what with being white and male and Prime Minister and all. STEREOTYPES EVERYWHERE!

being BritishTony Blair. it's like being a Middle Eastern Black brown person, in a way.

oh wait, he's SCOTTISH.

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[info]linwe_ar_feinie
2005-06-14 09:57 pm UTC (link)
oh wait, he's SCOTTISH.

You do know that still makes him British, Scotland is part of Britain? Perhaps they've got the wrong British stereotype, though. 'Hoots, Mon!' might be a better one than 'Old Bean', but perhaps 'Old Bean' does work. Blair does speak with an English accent.

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[info]dommichan
2005-06-13 09:16 pm UTC (link)
Um...

Wow.

It's a freaking joke. Like okay not the funniest joke ever but wow. Joke. @.@

Also, she'd rather be Humourless Bitch than Good Sport? What kind of lack of logic is that?

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[info]livii
2005-06-13 09:23 pm UTC (link)
Well, I can see what she means to some extent - there are a few topics that yeah, I've resigned myself to being Humourless Bitch about.

But - they're nothing as trivial as "old bean", especially when used as a clear joke.

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(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2005-06-17 10:41 am UTC

[info]phosfate
2005-06-13 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Tut tut old bean old horse! It sounds as though someone's thrown a bounder and wicketed up the darby. If we're not careful, it'll be treacle and knickers all round.

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[info]mortifyd
2005-06-13 09:47 pm UTC (link)
That sounds... messy.

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[info]oulangi
2005-06-13 09:52 pm UTC (link)
"I hate to be picky, but...

Gah, I *just* hate people who preface their obnoxiousness with that type of disclaimer. It never ends well.

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[info]electricchick
2005-06-13 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Especially since it usually means, "I hate to be picky, but I'm going to be picky anyway."

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(no subject) - [info]tiki, 2005-06-13 10:09 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2005-06-14 03:37 am UTC

[info]dommichan
2005-06-13 11:19 pm UTC (link)
Same principle as "I'm sorry, but..."

If you have to continue to make the person feel like they're wrong, then you're not sorry at all, are you?

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(no subject) - [info]innsmouth_eyes, 2005-06-14 05:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dommichan, 2005-06-14 06:15 am UTC
OT - [info]heddychaa, 2005-06-14 06:47 am UTC
Re: OT - [info]dommichan, 2005-06-14 04:32 pm UTC

[info]mistressrenet
2005-06-13 10:00 pm UTC (link)
You could write a reply in which George Bush engages in realistic Yankee dialogue like, "Yippie-ay-yay,let's have a pow-wow with those Limey varmints."
Except I've already read that. By more than one American.

I am way too many degrees too close to both the people in question.

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[info]phosfate
2005-06-13 10:14 pm UTC (link)
But...he already talks like that! Just with more stammering and ellipses. And of course he'd confuse the word order. He's like Yoda with brain damage.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-06-13 10:20 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]goldberry, 2005-06-14 02:30 am UTC
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[info]bubosquared
2005-06-14 12:44 am UTC (link)
I am way too many degrees too close to both the people in question.

Both of them are on my friendslist. I've kinda ignored the whole thing in favour of shinier things, and possibly saved myself an ulcer or something.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-06-14 12:59 am UTC
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[info]djcati
2005-06-13 10:17 pm UTC (link)
Dude. People get stressed about the tiniest things.

Idiots.

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flightstothesea
2005-06-13 10:49 pm UTC (link)
Icon love.

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(no subject) - [info]djcati, 2005-06-13 10:51 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]djcati, 2005-06-13 11:00 pm UTC

[info]jat_sapphire
2005-06-13 10:40 pm UTC (link)
Here's the post I wanted to put up over in yonWank's LJ, but decided nobody would ever see (so excuse me while I vent/wank):

Since I spent about a month in London (lo, a decade ago at least), it's increasingly hard for me NOT to see the angling for class position of which I used to go in happy USA-faux-middle-class ignorance.

Both the landlady of the students' residence at which I stayed than, and the woman running a barge-trip that I had been on a few years before (in Brittany, actually)--plus random strangers--spent utterly inordinate amounts of time trying to shame me over my country's education system, my university's name, our/my lack of culture, the silliness of pop-psychology, "corruptions" of American English...finally it dawned upon me that what I was hearing was "we are too above you, damn it, we are TOO."

Tell me there is not a large amount of wank being generated here by the persistent notion, not that the USA is a huge gorilla of imperialist force and ridiculously back-assward public ideology prejudice policy, but simply that we are THE WRONG GORILLA. The US isn't supposed to be the gorilla! The UK is supposed to be the gorilla on which the sun never sets!

So, you know, regime change? Invasion? Widespread death and chaos? Unimportant except that it was started by the wrong world-wanker power. Oh, and except for a soapbox from which to blather about old-fashioned slang as a TERRIBLE STEREOTYPE that causes, oh, I don't know, leprosy or baldness or job loss or self-hatred or...yeah, nothing much at all.

(Unlike, for instance, faux-Ebonics that convey "those dark people are dumb" or sexist abuse that escalates precisely because the point is to drive the woman away or at least into silence about more things than jokes. Duh. Plaidder is not precisely going to escalate the "you guys are class-obsessed-gits" in order to drive yondermaiwank off the Internet altogether.)

OK, cleaning up now, thanks for your time, if you gave it.

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[info]lasha
2005-06-13 11:05 pm UTC (link)
This wank reminds me of the ongoing debate I once had with a professor of mine who was British. Now, do not get me wrong, I love the British, I've visited that wonderful country often to see one of my best friends and my godchildren (who are one half American and the other half English).

But back to my own debate, this professor would mark off for "incorrect" spelling of certain words: color, oops, colour and things like that.

Now, when I would confront him about these mark downs, he would state that the British spelling was the correct version of the word and he was going continually correct my papers, until "I got it right!" Basically, I was a stupid Yank who couldn't spell.

I would respond, that I was American not British and that after 17 years of schooling (I was in high school at the time) the way I had been taught was the word 'color' was spelled color, not with the extra "u." To me it seemed rather silly at the time, but my professor was extremely passionate on this topic.

We went round and round until it became a fruitless argument. In the end, I gave up and to appease the man ended up spelling 'colour' the way he wanted in his class and the way I had been taught in my other classes. (It cracks me up now that this professor was a History professor and not an English teacher. Now, my English teacher, who was Australian never commented on my Americanisms. *g*)

I think Yonmei's argument is kind of the same silly thing, only she's taking it to extremes. A joke is a joke, and does it really matter in the grand scheme of things if Tony Blair would call someone, "old bean?" It was supposed to be funny, ha ha, not some serious debate.

And to my old professor, if you can read this: COLOR! *g*

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[info]daromaius
2005-06-13 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Take me. Take me hard.

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[info]elzezuk
2005-06-14 12:07 am UTC (link)
"spent utterly inordinate amounts of time trying to shame me over my country's education system, my university's name, our/my lack of culture, the silliness of pop-psychology, "corruptions" of American English..."

Heh. I'm northern English and I get pretty much the same thing to the extent that the last time I went down to London a server in MacDonalds felt the need to correct my pronunciation of Coke. Plus the obligatory "Trubble a't'pit" comments whenever I opened my mouth to speak.

It amazes me that people berated you considering as a nation we have one of the highest percentages of adults with literacy/numeracy basic skills needs in the EU and that pretty much sums up how wonderful the British education system at the moment. We don't really have any right to be shaming other nations on the quality of their education.

On the culture side of it they're being pretty short-sighted. Pop culture of today is the Shakespeare of tomorrow. The only thing that makes Shakespeare highbrow culture instead of soap opera is about 400 years.

However, I did hear a nice older American lady on a crowded tube train say at the top of her voice that she'd fallen on her fanny and after I got over my shock and realised what she meant I did snigger... just a little... sorry, clearly I'm 12.

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[info]mrslovett
2005-06-13 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Yonmei's only interested in accuracy! Blair is Scottish, so obviously he'd never say "old bean." If plaidder had only had him say "Hoots, mon, och aye the noo," all this unpleasantness could have been avoided.

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2005-06-14 03:52 am UTC
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[info]i_luv_fw
2005-06-14 12:55 am UTC (link)
It just seems to me someone's a little too defensive over it, mainly because it DOES happen. Maybe it bugs this person no end, for whatever reason....or maybe she's just a stiff-arsed Brit after all....

I'm married to one, and the discussions we have gotten into over pronunciation, spelling...you name it. Only it's me doing it the Brit way, and him doing it the Canuck way. If there is such a thing....

But to get all bent out of shape over a frickin' joke....like....someone needs to get laid...FAST!


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(no subject) - [info]selenis, 2005-06-14 01:32 am UTC
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[info]deadlettero
2005-06-14 09:12 am UTC (link)
Heh. I didn't know 'old bean' was a sore spot for anyone. I must use it when I stereotype Brits in the future. Jolly good show that'll be!

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[info]big_bad_wolf
2005-06-14 12:43 pm UTC (link)
Observation: I am British born [Nottingham] and bred [Hants] and raised [Devon], and I CALL PEOPLE OLD BEAN. Admittedly I do it as part of an on-going injoke cycle regarding the number of upper-class-twits I've known in my life, but I still do it; and so do a *lot* of ex-public-schoolboys. Which, y'know, a lot of the cabinet are, like it or not.

Then again, Yonmei gets on my tits quite frequently anyway.

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[info]redjackcash
2005-06-14 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Oh, silly yonmei. We're American. We don't care about European stereotypes, we're too busy picking apart all of the minorities in our own culture.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-06-14 05:07 pm UTC
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[info]shakeandbake
2005-06-15 04:16 am UTC (link)
Politics! Passive-aggression! Deleted comments! It's beautiful!

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