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Saint Fujur, Martyr ([info]luckdragonfujur) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-06-20 20:56:00
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Batman Begins (to provide wank)
In the IMDB.com forums, ID4EVER4 sez:

Why did they not have the Joker kill the Waynes. This is a prequel, and yes, I know I'm going to be critised by the fanboys for saying so, but it IS SUPPOSED TO BE!

However, it would have been a TRUE prequel if they had the Joker kill the Waynes.


A representative answer:
You are deeply stupid. It is one thing for people to be ignorant, but you try and DENY the facts.


ID4EVER4 insists:
Then the producers are stupid!

It's like "restarting" the Star Wars, James Bond, Star Trek, and Indiana Jones series.

Not only is it destroying the classics we love, it breeds competition between the two franchises.

Well, I'll leave the fanboys alone. Clearly they would rather have one movie compared to 4! (2 of which were better then this one, 2 of which sucked.)


It started an hour ago (from the moment I'm typing), so it has to keep growing. :)

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[info]darkrose
2005-06-21 05:05 am UTC (link)
I've been tempted to wank the Batmans Begins boards (though at this point, it would have to be [info]i_wanked, because I've been doing my share of fapping. But I couldn't figure out where to start, and now, the splooge is so deep you'd need a submarine to navigate it.

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[info]memii
2005-06-21 05:16 am UTC (link)
However, it would have been a TRUE prequel if they had the Joker kill the Waynes.

Teh stupid.. it burnss...

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[info]kadath
2005-06-21 05:21 am UTC (link)
So, um, having a movie in the spirit of the two acknowledged best story arcs of the Batman franchise is "destroying the classics we love." Glad I got the memo!

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[info]dante_the_mouse
2005-06-21 05:31 am UTC (link)
I have a reprint somewhere of early Batman comics; IIRC, the villain who killed Mr. & Mrs. Bruce was just an unidentified criminal, not the Joker. Is there later canon that changes this?

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[info]senor_pinata
2005-06-21 05:39 am UTC (link)
I don't know if it was ever changed, but for a long time it was Joe Chill who killed them.

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(no subject) - flightstothesea, 2005-06-21 05:42 am UTC
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[info]luxshine
2005-06-21 05:43 am UTC (link)
IIRC, in the Tim Burton movie, it is specified that Jack Napier -who would later become the Joker- kills the Waynes.
This was just to make the movie more self-contained and give Bruce a reason to really hate the Joker (As if killing half of Gotham wasn't enough)
And... I'm not sure, but I think that the criminal who killed the Waynes in the comic _was_ called Jack something. HE was identified, and died of a heart attack seconds after realizing that the Batman was Bruce Wayne -because, you see, he feared that all the other criminals would try to kill him.
Of course, it's been so long since I read those comics, I could be mistaken.

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(no subject) - wizzard, 2005-06-21 06:10 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2005-06-21 09:08 am UTC
Icon! - [info]karmakaze, 2005-06-21 07:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2005-06-21 08:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luxshine, 2005-06-22 04:59 am UTC

[info]redjackcash
2005-06-21 11:43 am UTC (link)

Yeah - they made it this whole circular thing. The Joker killed Bats parents, in the movie.

This way, ya see, the Joker technically made Batman, and then Batman made the Joker, and it's thise whole circle of vengeance/hatred. I actually think it's kinda cool.

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(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2005-06-21 12:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luxshine, 2005-06-21 04:19 pm UTC

[info]big_bad_wolf
2005-06-21 12:01 pm UTC (link)
In Batman: Year One, which Begins was supposedly superficially based on, it was Joe Chill. Joe Chill is pretty much canonically the murderer as far as I know - the Burton movie is the only thing I've seen that states otherwise.

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[info]here4tehwank
2005-06-21 07:09 pm UTC (link)
I don't think there's later canon that changes it. My husband is a comic freak, and he says an unnamed mobster killed them.

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(no subject) - [info]shadwing, 2005-06-21 07:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyrogue, 2005-06-23 02:26 am UTC

[info]rogue
2005-06-21 05:32 am UTC (link)
Not only is it destroying the classics we love, it breeds competition between the two franchises.

Yes, because George Clonney as Batman was clearly classic and loved by all.

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(no subject) - [info]backfromspace, 2005-06-21 09:32 am UTC

[info]sesana
2005-06-21 05:33 am UTC (link)
Babs wanted her trauma back. I'm sure the Gordon family is very grateful that the Joker won't be bothering with the Waynes in the future.

Who else votes for The Killing Joke as the inspiration for the next movie? *raises hand*

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women in refrigerators - [info]shakeandbake, 2005-06-22 12:23 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]hermisia, 2005-06-22 10:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dommichan, 2005-06-21 11:46 pm UTC
*never thought I'd direct this icon at myself* - [info]dommichan, 2005-06-22 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2005-06-22 12:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]favyan, 2005-06-23 08:01 am UTC
IQ 155
[info]campylobacter
2005-06-21 07:06 am UTC (link)
I just read ID4EVER's user profile. Underage wank is so adorable.

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[info]aycelcus
2005-06-21 07:10 am UTC (link)
Two better, two sucked? I'd have to put Batman begins on a level with Batman. I like both equally. I was very impressed with Batman Returns, considering I came into the movie with an additude of "geez, this is gonnna suck." The only problems I even have with Batman returns are nitpicky ones, just like Batman.

And I was all happy seeing Gary Oldman playing soon-to-be Comminsioner Gordon. I love Gary Oldman so very very much.

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(no subject) - ealusaid, 2005-06-21 10:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aycelcus, 2005-06-21 08:37 pm UTC

[info]aycelcus
2005-06-21 07:12 am UTC (link)
And I meant to say I was impressed with Batman BEGINS, not Batman Returns. Guh. Too many sound alike titles and my fingers just start typing without the consent of my brain!

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[info]lovelyzelda
2005-06-21 08:24 am UTC (link)
Not only is it destroying the classics we love

Oh, crap, does this mean that my DVD of the Adam West Batman movie is going to explode because I went to see Batman Begins? Say it ain't so, ID4EVER4, say it ain't so.

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(no subject) - [info]hypno_jango, 2005-06-21 04:44 pm UTC

[info]pokecheck
2005-06-21 09:06 am UTC (link)
Okay, so I swallowed a mouthfull of WTF?? I read "Why did they not have the Joker kill the Waynes" as "Why did they not have the Joker kill the WAYANS."

And that's just silly.

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(no subject) - [info]backfromspace, 2005-06-21 09:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sewingmyfish, 2005-06-21 04:40 pm UTC
Dyslexia Lures! - [info]fandom_bitch, 2005-06-21 10:06 am UTC

[info]redjackcash
2005-06-21 11:45 am UTC (link)

I am like the only geek out there who thought Batman Begins was an awful movie.

:|

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(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2005-06-21 11:45 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lovelyzelda, 2005-06-22 01:07 am UTC
Everybody say it... - [info]castellated, 2005-06-22 11:05 pm UTC
Re: Everybody say it... - [info]lovelyzelda, 2005-06-23 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2005-06-22 01:47 am UTC
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[info]hobbitsexual
2005-06-21 12:52 pm UTC (link)
The Joker did not kill the Waynes' in the comic books. That's movieverse only.

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[info]palabradot
2005-06-21 02:29 pm UTC (link)
Lucky. The husband insisted I read Year One before I saw the movie, to decrease the question-asking. So I knew about Joe Chill.

Problem for me was I kept reading it as Joe Cool. Thus having an image in my mind of Snoopy with a gun, shooting Lucy and Schroeder as they left a Beethoven concert.

...yes, I read it at 2 AM while playing City of Heroes. What?

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(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2005-06-21 03:40 pm UTC
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[info]aerobot
2005-06-21 03:20 pm UTC (link)
Dude, after the last two absymal Batman movies, it NEEDS to be restarted. I could rant endlessly on Batman Forever alone. And poor Doctor Freize! They butchered him! ;_;

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(no subject) - [info]shadwing, 2005-06-21 07:46 pm UTC

[info]narcissam
2005-06-21 09:14 pm UTC (link)
Well, I think it's all a horrible travesty, not shooting the badguys' dens on a slant to make it look like they couldn't afford straight floors. That made Batman for me.

*huggles old TV show*

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(no subject) - [info]luckdragonfujur, 2005-06-21 09:19 pm UTC
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[info]chopperbetty
2005-06-22 12:46 am UTC (link)
Clearly they would rather have one movie compared to 4!

Only five Batman movies? Why do people always leave out the clearly superior 1966 version? I mean, it had noble dying porpoises AND only costs $5.99!

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(no subject) - [info]dommichan, 2005-06-22 05:32 am UTC

[info]mariagoner
2005-06-22 08:15 am UTC (link)
I'm such a shitty fan of the movie-- I can't even begin to care about this wank or any of the Batman topics near and dear to everyone's heart. I don't really care about any of the tragic backstory or who killed the Waynes, or Christian Bale emoting his heart out or wasserface Tom Cruise's Beard running into peril every 5 seconds because she's such a noble soul.

I'm all about the Cillian Murphy crazy-creepy-sexy-psychiatrist-with-designer-glasses love. All about it. Because seriously? He? In this flick? Was TEH HOT. Aaaaaaaugh! What is it with sexy, pouty, ever-so-slightly-nutty men that turns me on so much?!

Sexy1

Sexy2

Sexy3

Sexy4

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(no subject) - [info]kalicephirot, 2005-06-22 08:49 am UTC
Damn bad html... - [info]ruaki, 2005-06-22 09:34 am UTC
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[info]danaoshee
2005-06-22 12:11 pm UTC (link)
None of this is answering the really important question, which is:
Where do I find good Batman-verse slash? Anyone have any good archives to suggest? Because I walked out of that movie realizing that I really wanted to read some, and while googling does work, I'd prefer some reqs.

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(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2005-06-22 03:30 pm UTC

[info]trollprincess
2005-06-22 03:13 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I've always been more of an X-Men junkie, but I didn't realize how much I knew about Batman until I read that and figured out how much I want to smack that person upside the head with a clue-by-four.

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