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Kerianne ([info]kerikeri) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-06-18 15:22:00


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Current mood:annoyed

Public criticism is EVIL!
My friends list brought me some lovely wank this morning-- and for a fandom I'm not even in! Still, oversensitive authors and fanfiction flamewars are universal, right?

First, Elffy-chan posts a fairly innocuous rant about the things that annoy her in lemon fanfiction, using a few specific fics to illustrate her points. As criticism goes, it's pretty fluffy; in almost every case she points out that she really did like the fics in question, it's just that certain aspects of them got on her nerves.

In the comments, Amet, apparently the significant other of one of the authors whose works were critiqued, weighs in: "It's one thing to write an essay about your pet peeves and send it out for debate. It is quite another to pick on other authors who you KNOW will be reading what you write and point out where their fics pissed you off in PUBLIC."

darkwingedangel begins her reply with "Hello dipshit", and the wank goes on for the next 30 comments or so, eventually encompassing the true meaning of love, the purpose of Livejournal, the need for profanity, and the propriety of public criticism. Eventually they seem to come to the conclusion that it's perfectly fine to not like an aspect of a fic-- as long as you don't say anything about it in public. Because, like, that's totally mean and stuff.



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[info]soy_latte
2003-06-18 11:33 pm UTC (link)
but can everyone just please try to play nice in the fandom?

why can't we all just get along?

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[info]ingrid
2003-06-18 11:54 pm UTC (link)
I dug the Gong Show pic in the middle of all that.

As for the rest of it, I found my mind wandering to how did one of the posters change her font to Arial 10pt like that? It looked nice.

There was indeed a lot of wank in that there sausage.

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[info]iczer6
2003-06-19 01:21 am UTC (link)
Looks like Elfy forgot the first rule of fanfic criticisim:

That even the slightest hint that a fanfic might not be God's Finest Creation means that the critic is some horrible dream-crushing monster who proably kicks puppies and is mean to thier Mom.


Icz

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[info]iris
2003-06-19 07:26 am UTC (link)
Amen.

Honestly, if people can't take criticism, they shouldn't be posting work in the first place. They can just write everything and hide it in a safe-deposit box, where nobody will ever say anything mean!

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[info]azusa
2003-06-20 02:23 am UTC (link)
No kidding. Hell, I have work that I'm sensitive about-- a fair bit of it, in fact. It does not get posted online. Sometimes, it doesn't even get shown to anyone outside my head. I admit to being cynical about how 'deeply and truly personal' their works are if they're slapping them up and begging for praise and amending every chapter with "R+R PLZ IF I DON'T GET 20 REVIEWS I WON'T WRITE ANY MORE!" I mean, are you writing this for -yourself- or just whoring for attention, and using 'hurt feelings' as an excuse to deflect criticism so you won't have to put any actual effort into improving your work?

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[info]dawnswalker
2003-06-19 09:23 am UTC (link)
Well, after this experience she'll know better than to try to help others through actual criticism!

What was she thinking?! It's a good thing that the author didn't attempt to improve, or we would have had a situation on our hands...

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[info]aruru
2003-06-19 01:34 am UTC (link)
*reading the original rant*

I hate to sound like a text book, but love is not an emotion. It's a decision.

Uh... what?

Someone care to explain this one to me? Anybody? *SO CONFUSED* ;_;

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[info]fxh
2003-06-19 01:38 am UTC (link)
Hmm... how 'bout we compromise and say that love is a decision fuelled by emotions?

Now, let's all dance around and sing 'Joy to the World' and be happy. Failing that, there's always prozac.

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[info]aruru
2003-06-19 02:41 am UTC (link)
Oh, I'm not trying to start any arguments with this comment, I was just really confused at what exactly was she saying there, and figured someone else who either agreed or was familiar with the mindset could explain.

Anyway, your suggestion makes some sense, yeah...

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[info]kerikeri
2003-06-19 01:39 am UTC (link)
I'm not entirely sure. She definitely has some weird views on love and that sort of thing. The best explanation I can think of is that she might be saying that the emotions involved in love (i.e. attraction and all that) don't mean anything unless you've made the decision to devote yourself to the person completely. I don't necessarily agree, but it kind of makes sense. Sort of.

I just liked this quote:

In today's society, it seems the only ones who are truly in love are old people. ...But no one really wants to read about old people having sex, unless you're into that sort of thing. If you are, then hey. All the more power to you and good luck actually finding reading material.

ahahaha. Comedy gold.

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[info]aruru
2003-06-19 03:06 am UTC (link)
In today's society, it seems the only ones who are truly in love are old people.

Remind me to tell that to the old buzzard womanizers around here who hang around hotel lounges every night to ask women to dance.


...But no one really wants to read about old people having sex, unless you're into that sort of thing.

Do forty-ish (or even late thirty-something) looking anime men count as old, or is that just in the world of my fellow yaoi fangirls?


All the more power to you and good luck actually finding reading material.

There is a very small grain of truth hidden in this whole paragraph, though - I've often noticed that in talk shows about what old couples have to say about love and sex to the younger generation, the old folks often complain about how the younger ones seem to be under the impression that somehow sex MUST "end" at a certain age.

That doesn't mean it was really all that hard to find that Ian McKellen/Elijah Wood/Patrick Stewart threesome RPS fic my friends and I ran into. In fact, it was a bit TOO EASY to find. *SNERK*

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[info]kerikeri
2003-06-19 07:40 am UTC (link)
That doesn't mean it was really all that hard to find that Ian McKellen/Elijah Wood/Patrick Stewart threesome RPS fic my friends and I ran into. In fact, it was a bit TOO EASY to find. *SNERK*

Okay, now I know I'm corrupted beyond hope... my first thought upon reading this was not to boggle at the threesome, or boggle at the idea of Ian and Elijah in a sexual relationship, but... "Hmm, how did Patrick Stewart end up in there? I wonder how they ended up meeting him..."

*hangs head* (And I'm almost curious enough to want to read it, too. Almost.)

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[info]aruru
2003-06-19 08:06 am UTC (link)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! XD

Well, RPF/RPS hasn't sunk its evil, naughty claws on me yet, so at least one of us got to be suitably horrified? ;)


And I'm almost curious enough to want to read it, too. Almost.

Well, wonder no more! Through the amazing powers of Google, I am now able to serve up this tempting morsel for you to peruse!

Every Good Boy

I think the most hilarious part was all the Star Trek geek humor mixed in with the porn. It certainly makes everything way too wacky to take seriously, at least.

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[info]delfeus
2003-10-15 05:27 pm UTC (link)
Who *is* Patrick Stewart?

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[info]uniquesnowflake
2003-06-19 09:15 am UTC (link)
Do you suppose she's never heard of the book "Is There Sex After Seventy?", and it's brethren?

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*snerk*
[info]glasshouses
2003-06-20 07:02 am UTC (link)
ah, well, there goes the 3000+ TPM stories starring that old dude, Qui-Gon. I somehow *knew* that wasn't really "reading material."

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[info]soleta
2003-06-19 02:33 am UTC (link)
certain people (I have a friend like this, I remember it pissing off his then-girlfriend (now fianceƩ, so I guess they got over it.)) believe that you decide that someone is right for you - basically, you use your brain and say "I like this and this and this about this person, there's nothing I really intensely dislike, and I click with her, so I'm in love with her." others decide that they could fall in love with someone and proceed to do so. Either way, it's something more of the mind than of the heart.

all quotes made up by me. I'm not even entirely sure this is correct - it was the impression I was getting off friends at the time(s).

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[info]aruru
2003-06-19 02:50 am UTC (link)
Okay, I think I sorta get that. *scratches head* I guess it's kind of like me going over a long-distance friend and mine's relationship and saying "Well, we think we might be attracted to each other, so let's try to eventually meet and see how we get along in person," then?



(Oh, btw, I know you already said we could gank that "seedy underbelly of the fandom" icon you made, but I was thinking of using it as an image link on my LJ info page leading to F_W the next time I get around to editing the thing. Can I use it for that? XD)

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[info]soleta
2003-06-19 02:59 am UTC (link)
something like that, yeah. I don't like it too well, myself, but then I'm an instinct person and always have been.

oh, of course you can! I'm glad you like it *g*

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[info]aruru
2003-06-19 03:17 am UTC (link)
something like that, yeah. I don't like it too well, myself, but then I'm an instinct person and always have been.

I'm only saying "something like it" because I personally don't think I'd "decide" to fall for my pal or not. I can decide what to do about the matter and see if the feelings we're having remain the same or change while meeting in person, but I don't think I could ever tell myself "I will fall in love with this person" like that. In other words, I agree that you can decide what to do with your feelings, but not on having absolute control over the feelings themselves, which seems like the stance they're sort of leaning toward.

I could be totally getting this the wrong way, though.



(And I can? Yay! Thanks. XD)

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[info]soleta
2003-06-19 02:18 pm UTC (link)
yeah, exactly. strange people. ;)

(btw, I added you to my LJ friends list, because... uh. because?)

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[info]uniquesnowflake
2003-06-19 09:13 am UTC (link)
Of COURSE love is not an emotion, you silly bitch! EVERYBODY knows that it's a chemical reaction to stimulants that occurs in a specific part of our brain! Clearly, it's not an emotion!

Oh, but wait, I guess we can't decide how we're going to chemically react, either.

People like this should be slapped. They insult my textbooks.

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[info]chimara
2003-06-19 06:09 am UTC (link)
And should the reader doubt, there's even that classic wank indicator: You know, I used to think this fandom was...

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[info]uniquesnowflake
2003-06-19 09:17 am UTC (link)
I'm sick of seeing flamers flock to my friend's journal. I recall someone pulling shit like this last time, it's annoying and SHE SHOULD OF READ THE ENTIRE THING. Instead, she choose NOT to and assume things.

I treat idiots like they should be treated.


Well, if we want to play THAT little game, I see a "should of" and a "choose" that are completely out of place in that sentence, and according to you, I need to treat idiots like they should be treated.

Soooo...anybody seen my Louisville Slugger?

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[info]pepperpot
2003-06-22 05:14 am UTC (link)
*hands you the bat*

Swing away, fellow Grammar Nazi. ;)

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