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Maria the Lost ([info]mariagoner) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-06-28 11:25:00
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Underwater Wank-- All the Cool Kids Do It!
Apparently, Godawful Fanfiction is at it again, with their poodles o' war going head to head with fangirls over Maya's popular fic Underwater Light. Watch Draco-bashing, Slythering-thrashing, general scorn at the concept of some characters having more than one dimension to them, absolute shock over the fact that some people write slash and even manage to pair (OMG!) enemies together, and quite a bit of whining about what Out of Character and God Awful really mean.

It all begins here and doesn't end for a while! Passive-agressive bitchery has never been more fun!

(Incidentally, though I've never read Maya's popular Underwater Light, I'm a scarily huge fan of her excellent 'fic Flame and Shadow. Because even the losers get lucky sometimes.)

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[info]memii
2005-06-29 06:42 am UTC (link)
It's all nice and polite until someone pulls out the :rolleyes: icon...

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-29 06:47 am UTC (link)
You posted this same wank before. Admittedly, this report looks a lot better than the one previous. You want more comments for your wank?

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[info]wankprophet
2005-06-29 06:48 am UTC (link)
It got posted right before Fandom_Love, so it got lost in the shuffle. I told her to go ahead and repost it.

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[info]memii
2005-06-29 06:49 am UTC (link)
Aww, man... Anonymice, please don't start stirring up shit so soon. We were having so much fun.

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[info]marylake
2005-06-29 07:01 am UTC (link)
Frankly, I think UnderwaterLight!Draco is so blatantly, flamboyantly out of character that I tend to respect Maya for it. His mischaracterization goes past "Wahhh, he'd never do that" and into "Ooh, totallydifferentperson/Harry! They're so cute!"

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[info]esorlehcar
2005-06-29 07:29 am UTC (link)
You know, I don't even mind the ludicrously OOC Draco - you have to make Draco fairly OOC just to make him bearable, and she doesn't go that much farther than a lot of others do. But I absolutely cannot get past the ludicrousness of the premise. The Triwizard Tournament is held... again! At Hogwarts... again! With all the same tasks... again! Never mind that the element of surprise and the ability to figure out clues in an integral part of of tasks. Never mind that anyone old enough to compete would have been at Hogwarts for the first tournament and remember everything in detail. Never mind that HARRY HIMSELF HAS ALREADY COMPLETED ALL THESE TASKS AND ALLOWING HIM TO COMPETE AGAINST OTHERS WHO HAVEN'T WOULD BE MONSTROUSLY UNFAIR.

I get that she wanted to rewrite the pivotal scene so Harry pulls Draco from the lake instead of Ron, but she just handled it so amazingly badly. She's a decent writer, and despite some other plot holes I could quite enjoy the story otherwise, but it's just such an incredibly stupid premise that I can't get past it. And it bugs me all the more because what I have read tells me she's q good enough writer that she should know better.

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[info]renata_hpjc
2005-06-29 02:59 pm UTC (link)
It's actually Harry's character that bugged me the most when I tried to read this fic. Fanon!Draco I can tolerate when written entertainingly enough, I've recently found out. But Harry in this fic just made me want to smack him. Not in a good way, either.

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[info]lulinda
2005-06-29 07:50 am UTC (link)
It's an enjoyable fic to read though I haven't caught up with it in some time, but in character? Nope.

Then again, I'm not sure I've ever read a H/D where they're in character.

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(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2005-06-29 08:26 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]greypearl, 2005-06-29 11:03 pm UTC
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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-06-29 08:25 am UTC (link)
What makes this fic GA is that there is canon rape.

Wow. If UL is canon rape (and I'm not even a fan here) then I'm surprised the GA boards haven't crashed due to the other 99% of HP fanfiction that therefore qualifies.

GA's really desperate for wankery fics these days, aren't they?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-06-29 09:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2005-06-29 10:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-06-29 10:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2005-06-29 09:49 pm UTC
... - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-06-29 10:34 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2005-06-29 07:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tangentialone, 2005-06-29 10:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]marks, 2005-06-29 03:42 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]marks, 2005-06-29 04:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jrandomlurker, 2005-06-30 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tangentialone, 2005-07-01 11:34 pm UTC
*dies* - [info]ladyrogue, 2005-06-30 09:59 am UTC
Re: *dies* - [info]tangentialone, 2005-07-01 11:35 pm UTC

[info]prettyveela
2005-06-29 10:33 am UTC (link)
*shrug* I like UL. I mean it's not like Draco just falls into Harry's arms and it's OMGTOOBYLOVE from the first chapter. Maya does a pretty good job of having Draco fight whatever the hell he's feeling for Harry, I'd expect that from canon Draco(even if he was in love with a woman).

I just wish she'd finish it *pout*.

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-29 10:34 am UTC (link)
Wow. It's been years since I've left the HP fic fandom, and I still remember the fic. I couldn't get past it, but I definately remember it.

*sniff* I think I've got a bit of wank nostalgia in my eye...

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[info]napoleon
2005-06-29 11:21 am UTC (link)
Wow, that story's terrible.

The plot, as has already been pointed out, is full of holes. Harry is completely out of character -- I agree with the kid on the GAFF board Draco is completely fandom. What I read left me completely bored and unmoved. Two thumbs down.

I like Harry/Draco, in that I like all ships. I'll read anything if it's written well and moves me emotionally. This was just -- Christ, I couldn't even finish the first chapter. All of Harry's "thoughts" made me want to reach out and smack him and Rita Skeeter the writer.

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(no subject) - [info]marks, 2005-06-29 03:50 pm UTC
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[info]anatsuno
2005-06-29 12:15 pm UTC (link)
FLAME AND SHADOW LOVE, omg.

yeah, i had to say it.

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(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2005-06-29 09:03 pm UTC
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[info]narcissam
2005-06-29 07:24 pm UTC (link)
What stupidity! I mean, of course, Maya's characters are OOC. That's the whole freaking POINT. Unlike some other writers of Fanon!Draco, Maya has never been a pretentious twit who claims to be writing the gold standard canon fanfic. She's quite open about the fact that she's writing Fanon!Draco and having way too much fun doing it.

For Eng lit geeks, complaining that Draco is OOC in Maya's fics is about the equivalent of complaining Pamela is OOC in Fielding's 'Joseph Andrews.'

As common sense would dictate, you don't have to like it, but there's no point criticising it for not being something it doesn't claim to be.

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(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2005-06-29 07:36 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]combledore, 2005-06-29 08:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2005-06-29 08:55 pm UTC
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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-06-30 02:29 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-06-29 09:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]waysmeanstonola, 2005-06-29 11:30 pm UTC
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(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2005-06-29 11:46 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]elainemc, 2005-06-30 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2005-06-29 11:45 pm UTC
Fuck passive, go straight for aggressive.
[info]pyratejenni
2005-06-29 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Nope. Still Godawful.

And the author wondering "if this is a site for venting hatred"? What happened to being able to -- oh, I dunno -- read the info about a site?

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[info]pet
2005-06-29 11:59 pm UTC (link)
This KVH person needs to sloooowly step away from the Harry Potter books, hands raised. Then perhaps she should have a bit of a lie-down somewhere cool, with iced tea and valium.

I dislike horrible fanfiction as much as the next girl, but seriously. Getting frothy at the mouth over Underwater Light? It's well-written, has consistent in-story characterization, is tons of fun, and has clever snappy dialogue. Even if you've got a gripe with the characterizations (I can understand that, though don't get me started on the shrieking knee-jerk "OOC!!!!" HP harpies), this is hardly godawful.

Someone should remind KVH that one's personal dislike of something does not automatically make that thing crap. I hate that shit. And her nasty personal attacks on the people that disagree with her opinion are just wanktastic.

Fun wank!

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(no subject) - [info]ruby_tuesday, 2005-06-30 12:51 am UTC
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[info]ruby_tuesday
2005-06-30 12:59 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one here who actually thinks that Don't Like, Don't Read -- when applied to clearly labelled pairings and genres -- is a good idea?

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(no subject) - [info]pet, 2005-06-30 01:10 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]pet, 2005-06-30 02:32 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-06-30 03:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ruby_tuesday, 2005-06-30 04:26 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-06-30 01:13 am UTC (link)
I'm waiting for people to realize that all fic is OOC and fanon to some degree.

-mochibuni

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(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2005-06-30 05:38 am UTC
le sigh
[info]silrayn
2005-06-30 01:56 am UTC (link)
I liked the fic and I hang out at GAFF but saw how it was going so I kept my mouth shut fingers off the keyboard. I'm glad I didn't say anything at all.

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[info]prettyveela
2005-06-30 02:05 am UTC (link)
What stupidity! I mean, of course, Maya's characters are OOC. That's the whole freaking POINT. Unlike some other writers of Fanon!Draco, Maya has never been a pretentious twit who claims to be writing the gold standard canon fanfic. She's quite open about the fact that she's writing Fanon!Draco and having way too much fun doing it.

See I didn't know that and that makes me like Maya more.

There's this one person in the fandom who thinks their Draco is the END ALL BE ALL of all Draco's and I feel like telling this person to STFU. They aren't on my flist, but they are on my friends of friends flist.

I also hate when a fanficer writes a masterpiece H/D fic and then because they write THAT fic, everyone praises all their other H/D stuff. I read this one fic that made me CRY and then I read another H/D fic by this person and it was SO FUCKING BAD and OOC that I had to scrub my eyes with sandpaper. I'll never forgive them for writing that piece of shit.


Well now that we've talked about H/D what should we talk about next? Snarry? The pups?(R/S), Ronsy? XD

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-06-30 08:17 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2005-07-01 04:46 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-01 12:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2005-07-01 02:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]karina, 2005-06-30 11:16 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2005-07-01 04:46 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-06-30 03:16 am UTC (link)
Gets even better over there. Seems another phantom linker has been at work, leaving links in reviews of stories that GAFF has been sporking, going by the name of Lila. Then this Lila or a copycat linker, started a thread in gabbery and the fireworks start.

http://www.godawful.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16871

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-06-30 03:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_kitten, 2005-06-30 10:39 pm UTC
Nope... - [info]fujiwara_no_sai, 2005-07-02 04:47 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-06-30 04:14 pm UTC (link)
Not sure I've ever really had a wank to call my own before. But I'm pretty sure I know what to feed it - that'd be my clever idea of posting on the boards. :) They sent me to fandom on the special bus.

While regretting that, it *is* interesting to read most of the opinions, and it has forcibly reminded me of my intention to rewrite that first chapter.
Thanks for the kind words about F&S, by the way.
- Maya

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(no subject) - [info]rosina_alcona, 2005-06-30 05:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2005-07-01 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-04 12:15 am UTC

[info]pink_rhombus
2005-06-30 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Don't have anything to add on the main wank but I just had to thank you for the link to Flame and Shadow. I'd never read it before and absolutely love it.

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[info]here4tehwank
2005-06-30 09:09 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Christ on a cracker- don't forget about Draco Malfoy, the Amazing Bouncing... Rat?, because that is the funniest shit I have ever read! EvaH!

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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[info]prettyveela
2005-07-01 12:26 pm UTC (link)
Ok I ROFL that as soon as Maya posted over there that they went from GAFF members to Maya fangirls. XD

OMG I LOVE U MAYA!11one!!!!!!!

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Re: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - (Anonymous), 2005-07-01 12:33 pm UTC
Re: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - [info]prettyveela, 2005-07-01 02:26 pm UTC

  
   
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