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	adora_spintriae 2005-07-08 08:00 am UTC (link)
	I'd comment on the wank but I find the singing meerkats too amusing. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	shadownlite 2005-07-08 11:40 am UTC (link)
	The singing meerkat wins at life. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mindset 2005-07-08 06:31 pm UTC (link)
	I wouldn't comment on the wank... I only followed the link to the meerkats. Any flash animation with Oscar Wilde is fine by me. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	baskinglizard 2005-07-09 05:27 am UTC (link)
	Hahaha, your icon cracks me up. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	fandom_bitch 2005-07-13 08:31 am UTC (link)
	I just clicked the link to the singing meerkats too and died laughing at the "chipmunk" voice telling Oscar Wilde to fuck off you pedantic bastard. I almost fell out of my chair. Ah, just what I needed before hunting down cat from hell to give him his medication. Damn cat. Why can't he sing like meerkats? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	suzuran_sumire 2005-07-08 08:15 am UTC (link)
	Can't. Stop. Watching. Flash. The intrawebs amaze me with teh creativity. :P (Reply to this)

shadowed_blade
2005-07-08 09:30 am UTC (link)

Can you give me any references in the Bible that say homosexuality is acceptable?

*Raises Hand* Oh me me me! I can!

When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help, "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering."

Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him." (Matthew 8:5–7)

Matthew uses the Greek word pais, which means "boy," and Luke (7:1–10) uses Doulas, or "slave." That a Roman officer would seek out a Jewish healer for his servant shows a deeper relationship than simply master-servant. We also know the depth of the relationship was not based on the amount of time the servant had spent with him: being a "boy," he would not be, say, the slave who raised the centurion from birth.

The boy-slave was what was often referred to as a body slave, a young man who would wash, groom, and take care of the personal needs of his master—including sexual ones.

The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, `Go' and he goes; and that one, `Come', and he comes. I say to my servant, `Do this,' and he does it."

When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith." Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour. (Matthew 8:8–10, 13)

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	shoiryu 2005-07-08 04:40 pm UTC (link)
	...Aww, that's rather sweet, actually. I'd never heard that story before. I Heart Jesus. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 06:00 pm UTC (link)
	bible slash! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	Do they have that in the Torah too? ^____^ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 07:37 pm UTC (link)
	Do they have that in the Torah too? ^____^ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	-.-;; ::pokes the double post:: (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	Yes. David/Jonathan and Naomi/Ruth, of course. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	april_hurst 2005-07-09 04:30 am UTC (link)
	And with the huge harems that some of the kings had, I seriously doubt they'd all just sit around waiting for HIM when there are dozens, or hundreds, of women right there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theartema 2005-07-08 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	Aww, I read those verses the other day, but I didn't know what the boy really meant to the centurion. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	redwarrior 2005-07-08 10:22 pm UTC (link)
	Which is why I can't stand people who do asinine, socially conservative things in the name of an antiestablishment hippie. >D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	visp 2005-07-10 12:51 am UTC (link)
	Aww... I remember that scene from Jesus of Nazarath (or was it King of Kings? I forget) Anyways, I always thought it was a sweet scene, how the centurion cared so much - now I know why I liked it so much - yay boy love! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	xeno4eyes 2005-07-10 01:21 am UTC (link)
	I bow to your enormous theology hat. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 09:42 am UTC (link)
	http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/275646.html (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 03:10 pm UTC (link)
	I love me some GAFF wank, because they know how to keep things stirred up. This'll be ongoing amusement all day. Also, < squee > SIFL (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-08 07:33 pm UTC (link)
	You're all gay, you're all gay, you're all gay, you'reallgay, urallgay, uragay, uraguay ...URUGUAY?! All a conspiracy?! -C (Reply to this)

	sarajayechan 2005-07-08 08:28 pm UTC (link)
	Lucky for me, I stay in the wank-free end of GAFF whenenver I hang out there. ^_^ But this wank, as stupid as Moosh's arguments are, is amusing. eats popcorn It's always fun to see people go "I'm not a homophobe or a gay basher, I just think gay is bad and unnatural and gays shouldn't have rights cause it flashes gayness". (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kadath 2005-07-08 08:53 pm UTC (link)
	It always makes me want to flash my Straight Cred. "I am completely straight and I only date boys and I don't even notice if girls are hot and YOU ARE EXHIBITING THE TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF HOMOPHOBIA." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	footsie 2005-07-08 08:56 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly. I have some pretty hairbrained ideas on why gay marriage won't work, but at least I recognize that they're stupid. I don't go around saying laws should be written based on them. (By the way, who are you over there? I'm Loki.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-07-11 10:51 pm UTC (link)
	Oh jeez. I replied to Moosh just before I went on a week-long course sans internet connection. Tell me; was I wanky? I'm Cecilia86 with the sweet little Doctor Who icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	marlo 2005-07-08 09:41 pm UTC (link)
	♥ ♥ MR. BUNGLE LOVE! I was just listening to Disco Volante last night. (Reply to this)

	redwarrior 2005-07-08 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	Holy wankgasm, Batman! This is truly a thing of beauty. The sheer mind-boggliness of it all...OMG OMG. Especially the e.e. cummings wannabe English major. >DD And the Christian girl (who I understand the viewpoint of; it's just that Fundamentalist Christianity has more problems than erotophobia)...Oh shit. <3 <3 <3 (Reply to this)

greenling
2005-07-09 04:27 am UTC (link)

*whips out the copy-pasting*

Original Site; there's no index, so you can hunt through yourself. There's also a bibliography if the "bias" scares someone off. :3 (warning: lots of rainbows and clipart angels)

(...) What was the sin of Sodom? Abuse and offense against strangers, insult to the traveler, inhospitality to the needy, and sexual abuse. That is the point of the story understood in its historical context. The whole story and its culture make clear that the author was not concerned about sex in itself, lot offered his daughters without a second thought, the point of the story wouldn't be about sexual ethics. The story of Sodom is no more about sex than it is about pounding on someone's front door. The point of the story is abuse and assault, in whatever form they take. It clearly demonstrates that there is not a sexual ethic for the 20th Century in this story at all. It abuses the dignity of women, and demonstrates that sexual _orientation_ was not an operative concept at the time the story emerged. To use this text to condemn homosexuality is to misuse this text.

Those who insist that Sodom was destroyed for homosexuality are denying the very Bible they claim to revere, and attempting to push a laden camel through the eye of a needle. They are required to make five outrageous leaps of faith:

1. Homosexual love is equal to rape

2. "Yadha" meant homosexual acts only once or twice and something else 943 times;

3. All of the other references to Sodom's sins contained in the Bible are in error, incomplete, or obfuscatory;

4. The strict codes regarding hospitality and the safety of travellers were immaterial, and;

5. The concubine of the man of Gilbeah was a male.
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(...) Deuteronomy 23:17 states (in the King James Version) "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel . This is an "error" by the authors of the KJV. The word qadesh in the original text was mistranslated as sodomite. Quadesh means "holy one" and is here used to refer to a man who engages in ritual prostitution in the temple. There is little evidence that the prostitutes engaged in sexual activities with men. Other Bible translations use accurate terms such as shrine prostitute, temple prostitute, prostitute and cult prostitute. (...)
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I Cor 6:9 Paul lists a many activities that will prevent people from inheriting the Kingdom of God. One has been variously translated as effeminate, homosexuals, or sexual perverts. The original Greek text reads malakoi arsenokoitai. The first word means soft; the meaning of the second word has been lost. It was once used to refer to a male temple prostitute. The early Church interpreted the phrase as referring to people of soft morals; i.e. unethical. From the time of Martin Luther, it was interpreted as referring to masturbation . More recently, it has been translated as referring to homosexuals . Each Translator seem to take whatever activity that their society particularly disapproves of and use it in this verse. (...)

And, uhm, that Law of Love thing, but nobody cares about that anyway.

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	(Anonymous) 2005-07-11 11:44 pm UTC (link)
	"I don't hate homosexuals, I just think that they should refrain from homosexual behavior" You know, I think Rick Santorum tried to use that argument once. (Reply to this)

	capybara 2005-07-12 04:03 am UTC (link)
	I don't understand why GAFF appeals to so many young fundamentalists. Maybe I dropped out of Sunday School too early, but back in my day, we weren't supposed to read stuff like "Celebrian" and "Tracy's BBQ." Thank gods we didn't have the intarweb then, or I would have spent entire sermons unable to stop thinking about orc jizz. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	starstormcat 2005-07-12 08:29 pm UTC (link)
	With the disturbing amound of sex and violence in the Bible? I'm surprised it GAFF doesn't have more. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	capybara 2005-07-13 01:22 am UTC (link)
	You might be right. We were told not to read the sexy bits until we got married, and never really acknowledged the violence. Still, there must be something in there that admonishes folks not to read beastiality porn involving Britney Spears. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cleo_lassen 2005-07-13 02:53 am UTC (link)
	And if there isn't, that means it's perfectly okay! Because the Bible still dictates each and every aspect of our modern life and shuffles everything into right and wrong, obviously. Though I think the warning on beastiality porn involving Britney Spears is in Kings 28, I may have to double check. (Reply to this)(Parent)