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Jedi Knight Miki ([info]jedi_miki) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-08-01 22:32:00
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Current mood:*sporfle!*
Current music:Holding Out For A Hero - Frou Frou
Entry tags:anime/manga, elitism, someone is wrong on the internet!

Fanficrants, you amaze me again!
Over at [info]fanficrants, [info]grand_sealink rants about the Howl's Moving Castle fandom.

Included in the rant:
1. The Prince was NEVER in love with Sophie. Shut up.
2. It's MICHAEL. Not Markle. Not Markl. MICHAEL. (YES, you stupid bastards, Hayao Miyazaki and/or fansubbers GOT. IT. WRONG.
3. Sophie has TWO sisters, not three, not eight, not 932857293875. Their names are Martha and Lettie.

HORRAY FOR ELITISM!

What [info]grand_sealink fails to realize is that she was ranting about how inaccurate Miyazaki's movie is compared to the book, and people go crazy. Well, not so crazy as one can get when calling another person an elitist.

And of course, [info]grand_sealink comes to defend herself, but instead of editing her post, leaves it in the comments where no one is likely to see. (besides [info]luna_hoshino, who seems to be moving in for the kill.)

Today's lesson: Think before you act and make sure you specify your "canon". Not everyone has read the Howl's Moving Castle book, so you shouldn't go around all high-nosed about it when the fangirls get it wrong.


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(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 07:03 am UTC (link)
OH GOD. *headdesk*

My brain has died from teh stoopid.

-juhachi

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[info]lindentreeisle
2005-08-02 07:09 am UTC (link)
Not to be contrary, but this doesn't really seem like much wanking to me. I mean, grand_sealink is obviously a wanker, but there's not really any counter-wank, since all the replies are a, very reasonable, and b, unanimously agree that grand_sealink is a shmuck.

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[info]iczer6
2005-08-02 07:29 am UTC (link)
I think it counts because the OP was being wanky, that the commenters weren't is good for them but I don't think it detracts from the OPs wank.

IMO of course.

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[info]chash
2005-08-02 07:26 am UTC (link)
I call foul on considering the term "canon-nazi" an invocation of Godwin's law. Other opinions?

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[info]selene_avis
2005-08-02 07:44 am UTC (link)
I concur. Doesn't Godwin's Law apply to actual nazis?

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(no subject) - [info]chash, 2005-08-02 07:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoama, 2005-08-02 04:04 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 07:38 am UTC (link)
*giggle* Do I get a cookie for that?

~Luna Hoshino @ LJ

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[info]jedi_miki
2005-08-02 07:40 am UTC (link)
Yes, yes you do. *hands over some cookies*

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 07:47 am UTC

[info]selene_avis
2005-08-02 07:46 am UTC (link)
Now grand_sealink is ded from Luna Hoshino!

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[info]selene_avis
2005-08-02 07:43 am UTC (link)
Ick. I love the book. I also thoroughly enjoyed the movie. It's different, to be sure, but the movie is great in itself. I like both, even if I mostly see them as different stories.

As for Markl vs. Michael...I like both, regardless if Markl was a replacement for Michael or his anime adaptation. Besides, I was more WTF over Mrs. Suliman. 'Course, this is mostly because the first reference to her was in something that was talking about an implied sexual angle between Mrs. Suliman and Howl. Naturally, I didn't read the "Mrs." part the first time around. My brain promptly broke.

On a final note, Diana Wynne Jones approved of what Miyazaki-sensei did with her story. That's good enough for me.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 07:49 am UTC (link)
... and my brain somehow replaced "Howl" with "Heen" and oh god I think I need to go Chlorox my brain now.

~Luna

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(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2005-08-02 07:55 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 08:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]angora, 2005-08-02 11:09 am UTC
(no subject) - flightstothesea, 2005-08-02 12:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]angora, 2005-08-02 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loki, 2005-08-02 08:02 am UTC

[info]rowan
2005-08-02 08:20 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I also love both book and movie. They're telling basically different stories, but they're both GOOD stories, so... I don't care.

And judging by all the wanky froth, it's a lot more work to be all ZOMGCANONFREAKOUT. Viva the unwanky lazy!

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[info]moonpigeon
2005-08-02 08:27 am UTC (link)
Michael's name change weirded me out, but otherwise I loved this movie to death. And the artbook is so gorgeous and lovely and wonderful.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 04:12 pm UTC (link)
Did she? That's good to hear, because - while I'm not sure I'd want Miyazaki being the one for all of 'em - having more well animated Diana Wynne Jones would be a nice thing.

Or even a live action Chrestomanci. *sigh*

--KosagiNoLegion @ LJ

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(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2005-08-02 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2005-08-03 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ourself, 2005-08-03 08:31 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 08:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lycoris, 2005-08-03 04:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-04 05:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lycoris, 2005-08-05 01:55 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-08-03 06:56 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was boggled by the sex change of Sulliman - I can quite happily live with the other changes, but that one boggled me.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 08:02 am UTC (link)
ya know, this Mouse is surprised that This made it to F_W and not the 130 Comment "Flaming" thread a few posts down.

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[info]jedi_miki
2005-08-02 08:06 am UTC (link)
Eh, I just thought it wasn't worth reporting, the 130 commenter.

Besides, I'm not sure a fandom was involved with the wanking that went on. It was just a big "ur a bully!!!" fest, you know?

(then again, I didn't read all of it... so I'm not sure.)

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 08:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]made_by_kali, 2005-08-02 06:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 11:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 03:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]made_by_kali, 2005-08-03 05:56 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 06:22 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-05 01:09 am UTC

[info]sashenka
2005-08-02 10:00 am UTC (link)
Bad anime subbers create such interesting names... Markle sounds like a Hufflepuff Mary-Stu. Must create! Must mock! The urge is too strong!

Anime elitists are so stupid...

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 10:44 am UTC (link)
Markl's actually his name in the movie. It's in the credits and the artbook.

-Chibikaijuu

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(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2005-08-02 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2005-08-03 04:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xel_ko, 2005-08-03 09:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2005-08-02 05:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2005-08-02 10:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xanos, 2005-08-03 03:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2005-08-03 04:29 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2005-08-02 10:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hypno_jango, 2005-08-02 11:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2005-08-03 06:45 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 01:21 pm UTC (link)
...yet if things were reversed and it was an American reinterpretation of a Japanese story then the ranting would be okay XD XD XD

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 03:07 am UTC
Um...
[info]adora_spintriae
2005-08-02 01:35 pm UTC (link)
I thought fanficrants was for ranting about fanfics?

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Re: Um... - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2005-08-02 01:56 pm UTC
Their Love is so canon
(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Am I the only one who saw the movie (twice!) and read the book and still have absolutely no idea why Howl fell in love with Safie? In the movie Howl is set up a lot better to show that he likes Sophie (giving her access to his own flower-strewn private place?) and keeping the bomb from exploding. Everything he seems to do after a point is just for her.

But why?!?

Why does he love her? She doesn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary. Just cleans his house and puts up with his whinning, bitchy ass.

Disclaimer: I'm in love with Howl so any remarks that seem to point otherwise is my frustration speaking.

~LG

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Re: Their Love is so canon - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 02:22 pm UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - [info]angora, 2005-08-02 03:17 pm UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 04:16 pm UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 05:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2005-08-02 06:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2005-08-02 08:06 pm UTC
Teh plot bunnies cometh - [info]hermisia, 2005-08-03 11:28 am UTC
Re: Teh plot bunnies cometh - [info]issendai, 2005-08-04 01:20 am UTC
Thank you! - (Anonymous), 2005-08-02 08:08 pm UTC
Re: Thank you! - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 05:37 am UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - [info]selene_avis, 2005-08-03 04:34 am UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - [info]ourself, 2005-08-03 08:28 am UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - [info]redjackcash, 2005-08-02 08:44 pm UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - [info]redjackcash, 2005-08-02 08:44 pm UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - [info]xanos, 2005-08-03 03:28 am UTC
Re: Their Love is so canon - [info]selene_avis, 2005-08-03 04:32 am UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2005-08-02 08:15 pm UTC (link)
I skipped it over, thinking it was just another "Dear Fanbrats, blah blah blah characterization blah blah blah canon blah blah blah research these things before you even think about writing them blah blah blah spell it right" rant.

Says a lot about the state of [info]fanficrants these days, doesn't it? :P

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[info]redjackcash
2005-08-02 08:32 pm UTC (link)

Agh! They are doing something which annoys me, which is assuming that everything made by Ghibli = Miyazaki. I hate that! *comments, because they were saying that "Dog of Flanders" was Miyazaki when it was Isao Takahata who did it*

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(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2005-08-02 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]angora, 2005-08-02 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-08-03 03:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonpigeon, 2005-08-03 02:31 am UTC
You know... - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 03:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragomorph, 2005-08-03 09:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2005-08-03 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2005-08-03 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragomorph, 2005-08-04 10:05 am UTC

[info]soleta
2005-08-02 08:56 pm UTC (link)
...they made a movie out of Howl's Moving Castle?

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(no subject) - [info]jedi_miki, 2005-08-02 10:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 04:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedi_miki, 2005-08-03 04:09 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-03 06:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2005-08-03 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-08-03 03:10 am UTC

[info]xel_ko
2005-08-03 09:54 am UTC (link)
Let's hope that some of these people never ever get their hands on some of the scary doujinshi I've found. Crazy mixings of book and movie canon are made just that much better when you have Markl sleeping with Howl. >_0

Actually, if you really want to rant about inconsistencies, try asking some of the more anal HMC cosplayers about the crazy inconsistencies in the animation.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-04 02:02 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-04 02:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xel_ko, 2005-08-04 03:31 am UTC
Brain has broken. Please send replacement. - [info]issendai, 2005-08-04 05:22 am UTC
Re: Brain has broken. Please send replacement. - [info]xel_ko, 2005-08-04 05:28 am UTC
Re: Brain has broken. Please send replacement. - [info]hypno_jango, 2005-08-04 06:15 am UTC
Re: Brain has broken. Please send replacement. - [info]issendai, 2005-08-04 06:25 am UTC
Re: Brain has broken. Please send replacement. - [info]hypno_jango, 2005-08-04 07:10 am UTC
Re: Brain has broken. Please send replacement. - [info]issendai, 2005-08-08 07:12 am UTC

  
   
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