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Embitca ([info]embitca) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-08-10 00:56:00


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Entry tags:baleetion, fandom: buffy the vampire slayer, fanfic, illegality, stop giving strangers money you idiots

Can't we just buy you an IPod
Remember the good olde days when people on your friendslist just hinted around for you to buy them IPods and paid LJ time?? Well, I'm sorry, but that is so 2004 and we have inflation to contend with!

Now you can buy a fanfic writer a WHOLE YEAR OFF WORK so she can finish her WIPs for a show that's been off the air for a few years now. Someone should let Joss Whedon know, or at least contact the other writers who helped her write it in the first place. Will they all get a share of the profits?

Oh, and big surprise, no comments allowed on her post. Don't worry, cutie. If we can't flame you there, we'll flame you here.

UPDATED: A response from Cousin Jean aka OH, the unmitigated gall!

Updated again: The original post begging for cash has been deleted, so Yay for Fandom Peer Pressure! And a smart fandom_wanker preserved the post in a C&P so we can continue to mock! And if she's only taken it down in order to revise it and repost, I will of course link to any further stupidity that she cares to share with all of fandom.

Update No. 3: Second post has been edited. Here's the C&P of the original version.

Update No. 4: New Post: Goodbye, Cruel Internets!!

Update the 5th? The Fallout:

Elynross has a round-up of amusing links referring to the wank of the day. I'll direct you to her post instead of linking them myself since I'm lazy and I've been working hard all day to keep you updated (why aren't you bitches paying me???!)

Cesperanza has some commentary which might be wank-worthy itself just by virtue of being serious ;)

If you come across anything else interesting, let me know and I'll add it to the main post.




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(Anonymous)
2005-08-10 11:09 am UTC (link)
*boggles*

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flightstothesea
2005-08-10 11:10 am UTC (link)
WOW. Just wow.

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[info]nevadafighter
2005-08-10 11:12 am UTC (link)
Man, she must have balls and they must be HUGE.

O.O

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kroki_refur
2005-08-10 11:12 am UTC (link)
Bloooody Hell. That's a whole new level of entitlement right there.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-14 11:43 am UTC

[info]jaina
2005-08-10 11:17 am UTC (link)
I clicked on that link fully expecting it to be a show I'd never watched and an author I'd never heard of, so I was really surprised to see who it was. Look, I liked Dancing Lessons, but I'm not about to cough up any money to see it finished. Hell, I'd forgotten about it completely until this post.

If I'm remembering rightly, Randy of Something Positive made a similar deal with his readers a couple years back. But then again, he can make money off of S*P all he likes without inviting copyright lawyers.

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(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2005-08-10 11:20 am UTC
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dearladydisdain
2005-08-10 11:19 am UTC (link)
I'm just going around WTF-ing this where ever it may roam.

Uhhh...WTF?!

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(no subject) - dodyskin, 2005-08-10 01:32 pm UTC
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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2005-08-10 11:29 am UTC (link)
So you pay this girl so she can write her original novels, and she'll finish her fanfic, too.

Uh-huh. It's like those eBay auctions where people are selling fansubs or something and they say the auction is for this trading card and you just happen to get twenty DVDs of fansubs as a bonus.

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[info]sorchar
2005-08-10 11:33 am UTC (link)
Holy everliving fuck, has she just joined teh_internet? Surely she can't be this fucking naive.

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[info]workingslacker
2005-08-10 11:39 am UTC (link)
Oh, hell.

No one tell Lee Goldberg about this.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-10 11:46 am UTC (link)
her writing is so good, how can she be this stupid?

how can anyone be this stupid?

-nevernever

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-10 11:55 am UTC (link)
I feel dirty now, as I too have enjoyed "Dancing Lessons" and a few others. But my cold hard cash feels differently, and is currently sleeping in a separate bedroom.

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[info]bitch_queen
2005-08-10 12:08 pm UTC (link)
Holy shit. Don't these kids LEARN? Listen, I like fic as much as the next person, but part of the reason I read it is because it's free and easily accessible. And while Dancing Lessons wasn't what I'd call unenjoyable, I can honestly say that it hasn't been eating away at my very soul that it hasn't been finished, yet. In fact, I can't say that there's a single fic I've ever read that I'm THAT attached to. (And I have read a Hell of a lot of fic over the years.)

Hell, I can do better than this. If you all would donate enough money for me to live off of for a year, I promise that I will squander it to the best of my ability. Preferrably at Vegas.

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(no subject) - [info]made_by_kali, 2005-08-10 03:10 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]madelfdisease, 2005-08-11 01:25 am UTC
Pay me to write or ELSE - (Anonymous), 2005-08-12 12:01 pm UTC
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[info]sluggirl
2005-08-10 12:23 pm UTC (link)
Wow. That's just... wow.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-10 12:29 pm UTC (link)
I don't know what's worse - that she's doing this or that somewhere, I just know someone is clicking that Donate button right now.

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(no subject) - [info]entrenous88, 2005-08-10 03:48 pm UTC

[info]coffee_mug
2005-08-10 12:46 pm UTC (link)
It's fucked up that this isn't another one of those "I need money! So am selling fanfic!"-things. No, this is, "I have a job and thus an income but I want to finish my fanfic so plz pay me to do so!".

Christ. Time to give it up, girly. Sometimes teh internets just have to wait.

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[info]papervolcano
2005-08-10 01:50 pm UTC (link)
It's seasons of crazy, isn't it? I mean, we've got the Cult of Harmony, post on I_Wank outwanking Potterwanks, and now this nutjob.

Are we merely getting three buses turning up at the same time, or are these signs of the wankopolypse?

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(no subject) - [info]dragonscholar, 2005-08-10 02:22 pm UTC
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[info]reddiej
2005-08-10 01:54 pm UTC (link)
Goddamn. Just... wow.

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sorry just had to say - love that icon :0) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-10 06:27 pm UTC
Re: sorry just had to say - love that icon :0) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-10 06:35 pm UTC
Re: sorry just had to say - love that icon :0) - [info]yamashitaaki, 2005-08-11 04:40 am UTC
Re: sorry just had to say - love that icon :0) - [info]reddiej, 2005-08-11 09:04 am UTC
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[info]prettyveela
2005-08-10 02:04 pm UTC (link)
A WHOLE year? Is she fucking serious?

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[info]dragonscholar
2005-08-10 02:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm having mixed reactions on this one.

The cynical side of me is odded out here - pay me to finish my fanfic oh, and to write my novel. I also have to wonder if she has the amount of fans she'd need - to make a good amount (say, 20K), she'd need about 3,300 donors - or if this is arrogance. That ignores ALL the legal and co-authorship issues.

The business side of me recalls talk of reviving the idea of "patronage" in the age of the internet to have people support artists, which this reminds me of.

The sociologist in me is just gonna watch the fallout.

Why you make me think so much this early >_<.

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[info]ingrid
2005-08-10 02:37 pm UTC (link)
... all I ask is that you never again ask me how my WIPs are coming.

Okay!

And I mean that, totally, in the "okay" sense.

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(no subject) - [info]ingrid, 2005-08-10 02:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]reddiej, 2005-08-10 03:13 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2005-08-10 03:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-11 06:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]larakailyn, 2005-08-11 09:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-08-10 03:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-10 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]entrenous88, 2005-08-10 03:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]waysmeanstonola, 2005-08-10 04:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-10 05:44 pm UTC

[info]mortifyd
2005-08-10 03:27 pm UTC (link)
O_o

...and the sad part is I know people are clicking that link.

Why must I have morals and pride... oh yeah, because I like sleeping at night.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-11 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]twocorpses, 2005-08-11 08:20 pm UTC

[info]waysmeanstonola
2005-08-10 04:27 pm UTC (link)
thank you, but i have better things to spend my money on. like liquor and hos.

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(no subject) - bankai, 2005-08-11 05:50 am UTC
Re: your icon - [info]ravenclaw_devi, 2005-08-11 04:23 pm UTC
Re: your icon - [info]waysmeanstonola, 2005-08-11 11:55 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-08-10 05:17 pm UTC (link)
OMFG. I actually know that girl, and she's really quite sweet. A decent writer too.

As soon as I saw that post on my flist yesterday, all I could think was, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING GIRL SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?!?

If I didn't know her, I swear I'd be wanking *hard* in this thread.

I'm having a hard time resisting as it is.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-10 05:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-10 05:27 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]starkeymonster, 2005-08-10 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-08-10 09:14 pm UTC
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(no subject) - flightstothesea, 2005-08-11 07:21 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2005-08-10 05:20 pm UTC (link)
I'd just like to state for the record that "Dancing Lessons" was a collaborative effort amongst over a dozen fic writers. None of them were contacted regarding this turn of events. So not only is she asking for money to finish fanfic, she's asking for money to finish fanfic that isn't entirely hers. If she gets slapped with a C&D, there are a bunch of other people who could potentially go down with the ship, some of which dropped out of the "project" months ago.

She may host the site, do the coding, but the meat and potatoes of it all isn't all hers. If she gets any cash, it should be split between all the writers.

I hope she gets nothing.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-10 05:25 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]vassilissa, 2005-08-10 07:16 pm UTC
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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-11 12:46 pm UTC

[info]thebratqueen
2005-08-10 05:28 pm UTC (link)
Only time will tell? Babe, I was there by the first sentence.

You know, I've had people on my flist who've needed to do the beg for cash thing. It's not pretty but they're honest about it and it's due to them being in dire circumtances, like needing medical help or, you know, food. Things like "I don't want to work, I wanna write fanfic all day!" do not count. Likewise "Plus I've got that wedding coming up and my reception ain't paying for itself." is also not quite the same thing.

And you know, I would've even spotted her the wedding thing if she'd left fanfic the hell out of it. I would've thought she had a sense of entitlement a mile wide but hey, if people wanted to throw the internet version of a bridal shower who am I to stop them?

But to not only say stop bugging her unless you pay but to also put a price tag on it? (Plus a price tag of a hardback novel - really? Really?) Wow.

Balls the size of Alpha Centuri.

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Marathon - [info]shouganai, 2005-08-10 07:24 pm UTC
Re: Marathon - [info]threegoldfish, 2005-08-10 07:25 pm UTC
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