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w**k is a four-letter word ([info]esorlehcar) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-08-12 18:30:00


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Current mood: amused

We're had enough of that Harry Potter crap - it's time to get back to the classics! It's been at least a month since the last "RPSers are worse than Hitler" wank.

Zubird asks, in fanthropology:

so, my question/topic is, what do people specifically find unethical about real people fiction?
There's some interesting discussion on both sides of the fence for awhile, but as such conversations are apt to do, it quickly devolves into doublespeak, double standards, and bizarre moral outrage.

The best of all three comes from mercy_asakura, who sweeps in to to explain that RPS is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, and that she's a VIABLE AUTHORITY on the subject because this one time she had a STALKER. Oh, yeah, she ALSO lives in HOLLYWOOD, which makes her an EXPERT on the subject (not that she can give any examples. The people she's speaking to would be TOO STUPID to understand them) and it just devolves from there. Most of what she says makes so little sense that I'm not even going to try to paraphrase, and the amount of sheer stupidity and insanity (and currently, frantic backtracking) is far too much to quote, but it's well worth a look.



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[info]cesare
2005-08-13 04:10 am UTC (link)
*puts on the pointed Wanker hat and sits in the corner* I was bad.

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[info]darkrose
2005-08-13 04:16 am UTC (link)
Heh--glad you wrote this up. I'd have had to put it in [info]i_wank, because I've been fapping so hard my wrist hurts.

My favorite quote from mercy_asakura has got to be:

"Stay away from raping actors."

Right. *writes it down on a sticky note so I won't forget, and clears the entry for my 2:00 actor-raping appointment off my Palm*

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[info]sashenka
2005-08-13 04:19 am UTC (link)
You know what makes the RPS argument moot in my eyes? Every actor or musician I've ever seen asked about the subject in an interview has either thought it was fine or thought it was hilariously bad (and didn't give two shits) and some of them even ound it flattering that people liked them so much that they would put their energy into writing stories about them... and that is my reasoning to backup why I don't give a rat's ass until someone asks to *not* be written about (because then they might pull an Ann Rice).

I actually think years back the Backstreet Boys made a joke about NSync slash on some show, but I can't remember, because that was 8 or so years back when I was about 13 and was just starting to discover the goodness of fandom and still listened to terrible music (says the person who listens to glam rock now).

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(no subject) - [info]keanu_reeves, 2005-08-13 04:29 am UTC
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[info]jat_sapphire
2005-08-13 04:31 am UTC (link)
Wow, she's...foaming at the mouth. Even at the very beginning:

So I have a question for you...just when DO you tell someone where that line is drawn? When its written about someone under-aged? When it involves rape? When it does it deem important enough to tell someone, "Hey weirdo, STOP writing your sick and twisted fan crap"?

There does need to be a time when that line is drawn


Uh, no, really there's not.

I know nobody cares, but RPS with living people does creep me out. It does seem wrong to me, even. But I also DO know that nobody, especially the writers, cares what I think, and that until I have magic Internet POWERZ! there's not one little tiny thing I can do about it. I can't draw any lines, mercy_asakura, and neither can you.

How does this chick go online at all, knowing that the Internet is absolutely chock full of nasty evil stuff she needs to Draw Lines and Stop all the time?

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[info]loki
2005-08-13 04:33 am UTC (link)
My eyes are automatically drawn to all the CAPS, so all I'm seeing is RAPE RAPE RAPE LIKE FREEDOMS OH ROCK RAPE AGREES MASSIVE RAPE.

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(no subject) - [info]komorebi, 2005-08-13 05:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mooncalf, 2005-08-13 05:23 am UTC
*dies and iz ded* - [info]komorebi, 2005-08-13 05:31 am UTC
Re: *dies and iz ded* - [info]mooncalf, 2005-08-13 05:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2005-08-13 05:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]komorebi, 2005-08-13 05:42 am UTC
Re: *dies and iz ded* - [info]platedlizard, 2005-08-13 07:54 am UTC
Re: *dies and iz ded* - [info]loki, 2005-08-13 09:55 am UTC
Re: *dies and iz ded* - [info]platedlizard, 2005-08-13 10:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-15 05:05 am UTC
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[info]marlo
2005-08-13 04:42 am UTC (link)
OMG, [info]mercy_askura is just so utterly ridiculous. Everything she says is quotable and hilarious! I love it. Good find!

Oh jeez, I'm still laughing out loud. Let's see if I can attempt to find some funny:

Because if you don't say no to them...you can be easily up for grabs next if that line isn't drawn someplace and quick.

This reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where Lisa becomes a vegetarian, and they watch that educational film on why meat is good. And they zoom up to a cow's face, and then Troy McClure says, "Don't kid yourself, Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!"

Oh, and I just love that she said Charlie Chaplin was a Nazi sympathizer. And standing up for Scott Bakula (warned people that NO ONE was to write ANY slash about him or else he would sue. I think he has every right. BWAHAHAHAHAHA)! Classic!

She needs to post more, and often. Comedy fucking gold.


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(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2005-08-13 05:50 am UTC
Teh Bible! Well Written! - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 06:56 am UTC
Re: Teh Bible! Well Written! - [info]sashenka, 2005-08-13 07:17 am UTC
Re: Teh Bible! Well Written! - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 07:24 am UTC
Re: Teh Bible! Well Written! - [info]speshulduck, 2005-08-13 07:56 pm UTC
Star Trek RPF - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 08:29 pm UTC
Re: Star Trek RPF - [info]speshulduck, 2005-08-13 08:59 pm UTC
Re: Star Trek RPF - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 09:06 pm UTC
Re: Star Trek RPF - [info]speshulduck, 2005-08-13 09:41 pm UTC
Re: Star Trek RPF - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 09:50 pm UTC
... - [info]amandatwop, 2005-08-14 10:51 pm UTC
... - [info]mireille, 2005-08-15 05:51 am UTC
... - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-15 02:33 pm UTC
Re: Teh Bible! Well Written! - (Anonymous), 2005-08-13 10:53 pm UTC
Re: Teh Bible! Well Written! - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2005-08-13 06:12 am UTC

[info]runrunmarch
2005-08-13 04:49 am UTC (link)
A world without RPS is a world without Ville Valo x Bam Margera fiction AND THAT IS NOT A WORLD I WANT TO LIVE IN.

(...not to mention all the pretty Japanese rock boys).

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(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2005-08-13 07:24 am UTC
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[info]ahiru
2005-08-13 04:57 am UTC (link)
So if RPS is rape because it uses real people, and fan fiction in general is rape, does that make RPS double-rape? And if someone writes an RPS fic where the characters write fanfic while drinking milk, would be that be some sort of rape with rape or would it come back around to being a big consensual orgy?

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(no subject) - [info]pepperlandgirl4, 2005-08-13 05:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2005-08-13 06:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2005-08-13 07:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2005-08-13 07:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stinkwrinkle, 2005-08-14 04:52 pm UTC
Maybe I'm the only one who found this funny, but...
[info]komorebi
2005-08-13 05:09 am UTC (link)
I see you have a Volks doll in your icon. Those are pretty expensive. Wouldn't you find it annoying if someone who called you morally deficient because you spend thousands of dollars on dolls when there are starving people in the world?

It's your money and you have the right to spend it as you see fit. I collect dolls myself, and I get very irritated when people tell me I shouldn't spend so much on dolls.

It's the same for someone who spends their time and talent on RPF. It's their time and their business. If you don't like it, steer clear of it.


Please read my post. I had an issue with the Rape I've read.

Thanks!


One-track, much?

Oh, and because I almost forgot, RAPE.

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Re: Maybe I'm the only one who found this funny, but... - [info]fandom_bitch, 2005-08-13 07:53 am UTC

[info]dwarfjen
2005-08-13 05:12 am UTC (link)
This has to be brought up in all discussions about RPF, because it cuts off the OMG PEOPLE WILL SUE YOU angle.

So RPF=RAPE
but also MILK=RAPE
so RPF=MILK?

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(no subject) - [info]mooncalf, 2005-08-13 05:20 am UTC
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[info]deadlettero
2005-08-13 05:17 am UTC (link)
Must. Not. Get. Involved. In. Wank. *goes to tie hands behind my back*

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-13 05:36 am UTC (link)
RPS is wrong because its practitioners almost to a woman invariably render their subjects just as fake and as goofy as can be.

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2005-08-13 05:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2005-08-13 10:41 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-15 01:40 am UTC
The Five Real People You Slash In Heaven - [info]phosfate, 2005-08-15 04:59 pm UTC

[info]ironymaiden
2005-08-13 05:42 am UTC (link)
Oh Jesus! [info]mercy_asakura is part of my Asian Ball-Jointed Doll fandom. She's really quite sane on the doll boards, and has a beautiful Bermann. How very, very funny.

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2005-08-13 05:50 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jedilora, 2005-08-13 06:33 am UTC
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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-08-13 05:56 am UTC (link)
Hang on. So writing rape = actually raping someone, and writing fictional stories about someone = invading their privacy?

*boggles* So, nobody's allowed to write about anyone anymore? Bzuh?

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[info]yamashitaaki
2005-08-13 06:00 am UTC (link)
Wow, a chance to use my new icon so early! of course, I shouldn't be surprised at this. it is Fandom_wank, after all.

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[info]sorchar
2005-08-13 06:15 am UTC (link)
And we should go back to the 30s and 40s when actors had privacy!

You know, when the studios ran their lives, and when Cary Grant and Randolph Scott had to pretend to be just roommates and still got gossiped about...and Fatty Arbuckle's career and life were ruined by the press coverage of his trial...and Ingrid Bergman was pilloried for her private affair with a married man.

Those days.

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(no subject) - [info]padawanhilary, 2005-08-13 07:23 am UTC
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[info]nebbieq
2005-08-13 06:28 am UTC (link)
Yes, Charlie Chaplin got slammed for when he announced he was a Nazi sympathizer.

Well, that explains his little mustache.

As for RPF...I think it's a bit creepy for the most part (or tragically hilarious, in the case of some former classmates who were involved in bad J-Rocker RPGs), and I can understand if actors think it's a bit creepy too. But honestly, has fanfiction ever seriously ruined a person's reputation? RPF is fantasy, not a hot and heavy tabloid article.

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[info]shoiryu
2005-08-13 07:44 am UTC (link)
As of this moment there is a girl on my friendslist who is slashing a member of my family. I have not told her this. It's much, much funnier this way.

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[info]fandom_bitch
2005-08-13 07:51 am UTC (link)
I know the poster, mercy_asakura, that seems to have provided the wank. Funny thing is, she does live in Hollywood and knows folks in the business, and I was the friend she mentioned had been raped twice. I actually do get where she's going and what she was trying to say, but wow...that was just...wow - to me the wank was coming from all angles.

I personally don't have much use for RPS or RPF but that's just me. If anyone wants to write it, have at it.

But there is one thing I want to point out...well, several things.

In using the argument that actors create a persona to put out to the public, which is what the RPS/F writer is using in their fics, there is a lot of room to interpretation on copyright issues.

See, copyright laws, in the US and in the Berne Convention (since I'm not American, I'm more likely to rely on the Berne Convention than American copyright laws, but I am familiar with both), could interpret this created persona as a copyrightable entity. This means that the actor, who created the persona (possibly along with others), has control over derivative works on that persona...that could include fiction. Should an actor wish to put a cap on RPS/F, the burden of proof is on the actor (in civil court in the US especially), to prove that the derivative work is damaging, etc. Of course, RPS fiction could be interpreted by the law as "parody" and in the US, the actor in question would have little argument. The Larry Flint case is famous for dealing with this particular issue. It has set a precedent in the US, but not necessarily for the rest of the world.

So, there is a huge grey area where copyright, ownership and fiction/fanfiction is concerned. So, while Darkrosetiger had brought up some good points, she also is NOT entirely correct in saying the law protects RPS/F writers. Most copyright cases are dealt with on a case by case basis and while one case may be successful in one court, another case may not be based on the same criteria tried elsewhere (like I said, this is a huge grey area).

The other issue is some actors deliberately encourage speculation on their sexual preferences (I'm thinking of Keanu Reeves here who for years skirted the issue on whether he was gay or straight) and/or don't give a rat's arse about what people write about them, in fanfiction or otherwise (I believe Franz Ferdinand was brought up) and even encourage it.

Scott Bakula apparently, before the days of the internet, and I'm sorry to say after a good hour perusing websites I can't find a refernece to it, didn't appreciate RPS about himself and even caused a lot of grief for a fan who decided to go there. It didn't go to court, the parties involved avoided that. Now, Scott Bakula does not object to slash fiction about the fictional characters he has played, but he did apparently object to slash about himself as an actor. If I can ever find references to this I'll be sure to provide them. At the moment, we can only take them as a rumour.

Some actors have been bothered by gay rumours, but others don't care. Whether they'd take action against fanfiction writers writing about them or not is up to them and until it actually happens, then we'll actually find out which side the law supports.

And I guess you could say RPF has been going on since writing began. Historical fiction is a good example of validated RPF, and I love the genre personally, so that really contradicts my being squicked by current RPF. Then again, I usually read historical fiction where the real people involved are quite dead and I don't always agree with the take the author has on the historical figures...or even the historical period they're writing about.

I think I lost track of where I was going with this. :P

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(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2005-08-13 08:37 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]dementoid, 2005-08-13 12:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2005-08-13 05:18 pm UTC
Rape in fan fiction, stalking (part 1) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 06:59 pm UTC
Rape in fan fiction, stalking (part 2) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 06:59 pm UTC
Re: Rape in fan fiction, stalking (part 2) - [info]esorlehcar, 2005-08-13 07:12 pm UTC
Re: Rape in fan fiction, stalking (part 2) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 07:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fandom_bitch, 2005-08-13 07:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2005-08-13 08:13 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2005-08-13 07:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 08:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fandom_bitch, 2005-08-13 09:06 pm UTC
Using FD.Net as an example - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 09:20 pm UTC
Re: Using FD.Net as an example - [info]fandom_bitch, 2005-08-13 09:55 pm UTC
Re: Using FD.Net as an example - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 10:51 pm UTC
Re: Using FD.Net as an example - [info]fandom_bitch, 2005-08-13 11:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2005-08-14 12:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2005-08-13 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 11:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fandom_bitch, 2005-08-14 12:25 am UTC
::breaks out the appropriate icon:: - [info]marlo, 2005-08-14 12:22 am UTC

[info]the_wanlorn
2005-08-13 08:56 am UTC (link)
Oh my fucking gods those people write long comments. I stopped reading two in and just scanned. In conclusion? RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE.

I bet she thinks that violent video games directly cause violent behavior, too!

So, here's the question: Who's going to be the first to write a mercy_asukra/[major wank participator] RPF? Eh? Eh? Someone? And then show it to her? =D

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(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 07:02 pm UTC

[info]sahz
2005-08-13 09:15 am UTC (link)
Calling for e-help! Someone must help Mercy_Asukra defend the FREEDOMS on the INTERNETS.


Also, Franz Ferdinand *want* people to write fanfic about them? And have people followed their wishes? And where can I find it?

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(no subject) - [info]sahz, 2005-08-13 07:31 pm UTC
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[info]fandom_bitch
2005-08-13 09:32 am UTC (link)
And I'm sort of seeing the wankage going sorta like this:

mercy_asakura: While I think RPS is morally wrong, I won't tell people what they should and shouldn't write, but a line must be drawn somewhere - and rape is bad and people should write about it reponsibly (with lots of capslock and passion). Oh, and how would YOU feel if someone did it to you? And I kinda can't be bothered to provide exact references but they're there! (And a badly worded argument using rape as an example led the entire discusion off kilter and sent the discussion in a the wrong direction.)

darkrosetiger: But I'm entitled to do whatever I want with the actor in my RPS because he's a public figure (like every other actor out there and public figure) and besides, I'm only writing about the persona they've created for my viewing pleasure (and I like Jason Isaacs a lot anyway and I'll make the very sure assumption he wouldn't care that he gets bumfucked by Liam Neeson regularly). And I'll take issue with you telling me I shouldn't write what I want, or anyone else for that matter (which mercy_askura did NOT actually say).

halegirl: I'm going to latch onto darkrosetiger's argument, make up some shit and make assocations between things and assumptions about mercy_asakura that just shows I don't have really good reading comprehension skills - or just like to stir shit up just because (and I did get the Harmonian joke - lame as it was).

Lots of crossed wires, some badly worded arguments and a few way out there assumptions causes major wank. I'm impressed.

mercy_asakura needs to proofread her posts since some of the issues with the argument stem from some strangely worded sections. The whole rape issue was an example she used to illustrate a point and that did come across in a very confusing manner - which of course sent the argument in a direction no one likely wanted it to go in.

darkrosetiger needs to re-evaluate her sense of entitlement.

halegirl needs to stop being thicker than French Canadian Pea Soup and learn to read better.

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[info]zillahcross
2005-08-13 10:05 am UTC (link)
Wow.

It's really never going to go away, is it?

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-13 10:18 am UTC (link)
Are there any recent stories about actors/whoever freaking out about these things? I saw the comments where actors were basically saying 'eh, s'alright' but ... has anyone (comparatively) recently really said 'you guys are scary and therefore you must stop'?

I really loved the Franz Ferdinand mention in the wank though -- Franz Ferdinand is DIFFERENT because they are a ROCK GROUP and therefore NOT TRYING TO MAKE A CAREER FOR THEMSELVES so they don't count. Buh?

To me, I just think, with RPS, that it's matter of what you think is okay to write about after you've already started in on the part where they're taking it up the ass from someone. And what you're comfortable reading. Labels are everyone's friends!

It's late, and I have no idea what I'm doing now. And so I go.

-- st_tabularasa

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2005-08-13 05:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 07:52 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-13 09:04 pm UTC
1992 era wank - [info]purplepopple, 2005-08-13 09:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-13 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-14 12:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-14 12:42 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-14 01:40 am UTC

[info]chaimonkey
2005-08-13 11:29 am UTC (link)
I would just like to take this moment to say that my school has the following department, and it causes me much solitary sporfle on a daily basis:

Residential Programs & Services (RPS)

Mmm, yeah.

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