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	atalantapendrag 2005-08-15 04:41 am UTC (link)
	"Racially kosher"? Does that mean you need two sets of dishes for offensive speech and visually stereotyped caricatures? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	nebbieq 2005-08-15 05:20 am UTC (link)
	I think it means that certain comments have to be prepared in a specific way to get approval. This is why many forums have the option of HTML or PHP formatting for posts. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rimrunner 2005-08-15 06:30 am UTC (link)
	Wasn't there a big ol' brouhaha about that back when the movie came out? dbentley4 is about 12 years too late... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rimrunner 2005-08-15 07:06 am UTC (link)
	Also, that mistergarrett guy is one creepy dude. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	blackjackrocket 2005-08-15 06:45 am UTC (link)
	It's making me sign up. Can you provide a summary for convienent wanking? ...that didn't sound right. (Reply to this)(Thread)

sanguinary
2005-08-15 07:21 am UTC (link)

the wank can be summed up in in the first two posts with both sides overreacting.

dbentley4 representing the side of This movies is racist: Christ, what a depressing movie. Michael Douglas, who has done movies attacking feminists, lesbians (Basic Instinct), and women as entrepreneurs (Disclosure--if that's the name, with Demi Moore) now turns his tiny skills to bashing all the non-white ethnics and the weak white liberals who support them. Korean grocers, smash 'em up, Puerto Rican gangsters, smash' em. Late in the film, Schumacher tries to turn this around by having Douglas kill a neo-Nazi, but that scene really rang false. They should have put on their KKK party hats and had a good ol' time. Basic Message: Middle class white America gets fed up with all the lack of respect for middle class American white males, and kicks some ass. He even has the same lines as Rambo: I should be treated with respect since I'm defending the country. Douglas seems to be really psychotic, misogynistic and racist, like the characters he plays. Ironically, he was recently badly let down by his plastic surgeon (there's a scene in the movie where he wonders at the dough plastic surgeons make: maybe he went to a cheap one, or one who knew his movies).

mistergarret representing the side of This movies is not racist: First of all, don't refer to Douglas' character, Foster, as Douglas. You don't know much about film if you're doing that.

Not caring about what race someone is is not racism. You have no idea what racism is if you think that's it. All Foster knew was that some foreigner didn't have enough respect for this country to have common courtesy to speak correctly. It's not Foster's fault he can't understand him.

Obviously, you were the one looking a race, Foster didn't care what race the people were. If white people were giving him a hard time, he would have slammed them too.

Obviously, you didn't get the neo-nazi scene. Foster killed a man who tried to sympathize with him. He thought he knew Foster, but he didn't. He bothered Foster just as well. He was a flaw. Foster eliminated him. It wasn't in the film to make you want Foster to do it, it was put in the film to make you know who Foster was. If you think you understand him, you don't. He just wants to be treated normally and left alone. Everyone who passed judgment on him got theirs. Maybe one day, you'll pass judgment on those you shouldn't, and you'll get yours.

I'd defend Foster by pointing out the number of minorities he positively aknowleged in the film, btu I know you're so simple minded it would go in one ear and out the other, not helping next time you accuse people of racism due to your half-assed prejudice. (In case you didn't know, and it seems like you don't, prejudice is pre-judging).

This film was rare and genius in that you have a protagonist you aren't supposed to completely sie with. So many morons are used to being babied by being given a 'good guy' that they couldn't understand why Foster was not the stereotypical 'good guy'. Many ignorants couldn't understand this, and just discarded it as bad, but if you have any brains, you see it as a great film technique we all take for granted.

If you're going to call someone you don't know a buncha bad stuff, back it up. Those are some serious charges. I haven't seen any of the movies you're speaking of, so I've never seen him as evil. I don't see why you think someone's evil because they play characters in movies. You've been kissing Roger Ebert's a$$ too much. Think for yourself, child.

May you be jumped by a gang of racist minorities (one of every race, mind you) and one white male liberal.

enjoy life
the dude abides
Stand. [smiley with guns]

www.michaelsavage.com

After going through some of your posts, I found that the majority of them involve you acusing someone/something of being racist. You really need to ease up on it ¿What's your damage, little boy?

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	gloria_mundi 2005-08-15 09:59 am UTC (link)
	"The Dude Abides" . . . I know that name from somewhere. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-08-15 10:41 am UTC (link)
	the movie "The Big Lebowski" -nima (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gloria_mundi 2005-08-15 10:45 am UTC (link)
	No, it was a screen name or something. Maybe a sig (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gloria_mundi 2005-08-15 09:58 am UTC (link)
	I always thought Falling Down was about a guy who was sick of being screwed around and just snapped. Of course, now that I know it's a Shumacher film, I'm never seeing it again. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	valarltd 2005-08-17 03:04 am UTC (link)
	I didn't even get the "screwed around and snapped." I got "Mentally unhinged after divorce and job loss." He totally lost his identity, and he was going home to kill his ex-wife and daughter. It creeped me out. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gloria_mundi 2005-08-17 04:53 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, give Douglas some credit for a good acting job. Especially under a hack like Shumacher. (Reply to this)(Parent)

hellespont
2005-08-15 04:21 pm UTC (link)

I remember seeing Falling Down when it first came out. I would have been about nine. Now, 95% of the time I'm very glad my parents never censored my reading/watching/websurfing material, but hoo boy did we watch a lot of movies as a family that weren't meant for families. Falling Down scared the crap out of me, as did Alive, Cliffhanger, Point of No Return (when the assassin girl stabbed a guy through the hand with a pencil, my dad left the room nauseous, but let my sister and me keep watching), and Ty Cobb (first time I ever saw a naked man was in that movie). Now that I think of it, many of these were actually watched when my mom was away for the weekend and my dad was in charge.

Better than being one of those kids we knew not allowed to watch The Simpsons, though.

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	phosfate 2005-08-15 04:21 pm UTC (link)
	People still care about Falling Down? In that case, I have a few things about Ross Hunter's Musical Version of 'Lost Horizon' that I'd like to get off my chest. (Reply to this)

	teratologist 2005-08-15 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	Going to a Michael Douglas film and being surprised that it's a two-hour rant on how hard middle-to-upper-class straight white guys have it is like going to a Mel Gibson film and being shocked at the masochistic subtext. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-08-16 12:54 am UTC (link)
	Agreed. You put it better than I could have. - capsulekei @ livejournal (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pipssister 2005-08-16 03:10 pm UTC (link)
	LOL! When you said that the South Park episode came to mind. "Oh yes, you'd LOVE to torture me, wouldn't you?" (Reply to this)(Parent)

the_mouse
2005-08-16 05:54 am UTC (link)

I've been at Fandom Wank far too much in the past weeks. When dbently said, "I'm really not terribly egotistical, and don't want to hang on to my opinions as a sign of how macho I am (remember Emerson on not looking over one's shoulder..." I immediately thought "But Emerson is the first person who would need to look over his shoulder! He's got the Harmonians after him!"

Then I realized he was talking about Ralph Waldo Emerson, and just put my head down on my desk and whimpered.

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	chibicurmudgeon 2005-08-18 06:14 am UTC (link)
	Ooh, another person on IMDB who totally missed the point. Never saw that coming. (not snarking on you, just an observation) (Reply to this)