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	lain7 2003-06-24 07:11 am UTC (link)
	No no no. My post doesn't count. BNF's and semi-BNF's and aspiring BNF's have written on this subject. Ignore me. This is the best summary of the mess. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	embitca 2003-06-24 07:16 am UTC (link)
	Hah! I'm not a BNF either, brat. But how could I not link to posts telling Syncronick to fuck the hell off? Geesh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	only_skin_deep 2003-06-24 07:17 am UTC (link)
	Haha Lain you come out of LJ retirement for one day and you end up on F_W, that's truly inspirational man. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	embitca 2003-06-24 07:27 am UTC (link)
	And now that BettyP has seen fit to totally misconstrue what Lain said, it's quite fitting that I link it. After all, she is a BNF. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: only_skin_deep 2003-06-24 07:41 am UTC (link)
	This entire wank seems to be fueled by people willfully miscontruing things. Oversensitivity, it's what's for dinner! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mer1973 2003-06-24 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	Am I the only one getting the feeling that Bettyp is going to be twitchy and over-sensitive for ages over this? This is what happens when you believe that people are asking for honest feedback. Let this be a lesson to us all. Don't try and engage anyone in an honest dialogue about their choices in characterization, because it'll just be very, very bad. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Ah, the sweet smell of a popwank. village 2003-06-24 07:35 am UTC (link)
	I don't know, man. All this because of Trace? Kind of makes your blood run cold. (Reply to this)

	soy_latte 2003-06-24 10:00 am UTC (link)
	I'm going to take up a collection for everyone's two cents (or more, as the case may be). I'll be rich, man, because I bet it's still coming. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	embitca 2003-06-24 06:16 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sure it will. There was actually more this morning. Mary just can't seem to shut up about it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	marythefan 2003-06-24 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	Considering that's pretty much all there is to say, yeah, I can. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	embitca 2003-06-24 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	Oh fucking finally. (Reply to this)(Parent)

snacky
2003-06-24 05:56 pm UTC (link)

Ooo, so many links of classic wank.

Let me see if I'm getting this: someone posts a story, all feedback is welcome, she gets non-flamey, nicely worded constructive criticism that hurts her feelings, and then everyone and their sister goes out of their way to slam the feedbacker? Did I get it right?

The BNFs dropping by to offer their opinions was a nice touch, I must say.

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	embitca 2003-06-24 06:14 pm UTC (link)
	That about sums it up, but you missed the best part. The person with the hurt feelings over the feedback is not the person who wrote the story. The person who actually wrote the story was off at work all day and oblivious to the whole thing. Heh. pets fandom (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snacky 2003-06-24 07:12 pm UTC (link)
	Oh! That does make it even better. Her friend had her feelings hurt over a story she didn't write? It would probably help if I knew the fandom better, but it's still funneh! (Reply to this)(Parent)

only_skin_deep
2003-06-24 06:36 pm UTC (link)

Ah, but I don't think it was because of the comment at all or at least not totally. It was also this post http://www.livejournal.com/users/bettyp/101675.html, which Betty made shortly after Sandy posted her story. I thought this writes as all fanfiction should be written -- *as* a fan, finding the humanity that only a writer who genuinely likes her subject can write. was more than a little wanky.

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	snacky 2003-06-24 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, that does sound pretty wanky. g I'm not sure it should be that upsetting though. But I'm not in the fandom and I only know a little about it from a friend who is, so there's probably all kinds of stuff I'm missing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

picture_it
2003-06-25 01:41 am UTC (link)

That comment does come off as rather wanky when taken out of context, but i believe Betty only posted that entry after her feedback comment was deleted from callmesandy's journal. So i think she was probably thinking "wtf?" and attempting to clarify what she meant by her comment, since it had gotten such a violent deleting reaction.

Even less than the actual comment she made, it was more about BNF minions taking sides and pulling punches over something they hadn't even seen.

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	Re: only_skin_deep 2003-06-26 02:46 pm UTC (link)
	No, actually I saw Betty's entry first on my friends page wondered about what had provoked it and then went aha when I saw Sandy's story and Betty's comment was still there at the time. I guess I must have a relatively wankfree friendslist because the only people I saw making a fuss about the whole thing were the BNF's involved and Synchronik and Helen. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

picture_it
2003-06-26 02:55 pm UTC (link)

Ahhh, that does change the perspective a lot then. Obviously most of the wanking by the BNF followers began over the 'mean' comment, but now i wonder whether the BNFs would've started such a ruckus in the first place had the journal entry not been made.
*sigh* Me too, my friendslist is depressingly level-headed. Whenever i want good wank i have to live vicariously through my friendsfriends. It's a hard life.

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	allen 2003-06-24 08:04 pm UTC (link)
	The main thrust was that the feedback was posted to the journal entry where the story was mentioned, so it was public. That was the issue, as I saw it. (Reply to this)(Parent)