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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-09-26 09:56:00
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John Byrne vs. Wikipedia.
Some mice on [info]wank_report directed me to this one. I'd never heard of comic book artist/writer John Byrne before, but any wank involving an author vs. the fandom is pure gold.

Apparently, Byrne wasn't happy with the Wikipedia article about him. So he edited it.

Pre-edit article.
First edit.
History of all Byrne's edits.

As you can see, his edits involved deleting most of the text, including the fact that he is a Canadian. Outrage ensues.

You can read the The Wikipedia Talk Page for lengthy bickering over the edits.

Wikipedia bans Byrne for vandalism. Byrne complains about it to his fans over here. A Wikipedia admin shows up (near the bottom of Page 2.) Everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

NM

ETA: Best line of wank from Byrne's forum. Jon Juzan: IMDB.COM has lost a lot of respect. If Wikipedia hasn't already, it will

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[info]phosfate
2005-09-26 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Wikapedia apparently bans Byrne for vandalism.

Ah. So they've read his version of Doom Patrol.

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[info]luthe
2005-09-26 06:15 pm UTC (link)
John Byrne is known far and wide in comics fandom as a wanker. I am so not surprised.

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[info]narcissam
2005-09-26 06:38 pm UTC (link)
And they're on to fighting over moral relativism vs. absolutism on Page 21 on Byrne's forum. It's breathtaking.

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[info]palabradot
2005-09-26 06:58 pm UTC (link)
Wow.

Just...wow.

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[info]nima_skysong
2005-09-26 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Another wank in which everyone comes away covered in spooge and wearing the asshat! It brings tears of joy to my eyes. [sniff]

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(no subject) - [info]captainecchi, 2005-09-26 07:57 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2005-09-26 07:08 pm UTC (link)
My favorite line yet:

And so the torch of knowledge is once again passed. From the
kindling hands of Herodotus down through the ages to the electronic
grasp of.............Jimbo?

I weep for the future.


Wow. WOW. You have to work at it to get that pretentious.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-09-26 07:18 pm UTC
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[info]llama_treats
2005-09-26 07:25 pm UTC (link)
I think I'll make myself a bumper sticker that says "John Byrne does not hate blonde Latinas", just for the hell of it.

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[info]slackerbitch
2005-09-26 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I saw the pre-John Byrne and post-John Byrne versions and am thoroughly confused.

Shouldn't any egomaniac worth his salt be bloating the page beyond recognition!?

Six paragraphs on how wonderful he is! Ten on that time he saved children from a burning building! ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!

Instead he trims it down to nothing. John, man, where's the (masturbatory self-) love?

Also, I'm now half-inclined to make an icon that says SHHHH! Don't tell anyone I'm Canadian!

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(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2005-09-26 07:42 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2005-09-27 01:03 am UTC
Oops. Wrong one first time. - [info]threegoldfish, 2005-09-26 10:59 pm UTC
Re: Oops. Wrong one first time. - [info]slackerbitch, 2005-09-27 01:03 am UTC
Re: Oops. Wrong one first time. - [info]threegoldfish, 2005-09-27 01:39 am UTC
Re: Oops. Wrong one first time. - [info]kijikun, 2005-09-27 01:15 am UTC
Re: Oops. Wrong one first time. - [info]threegoldfish, 2005-09-27 01:41 am UTC
Re: Oops. Wrong one first time. - [info]baskinglizard, 2005-09-27 04:48 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-09-26 08:24 pm UTC (link)
See, now, Wikipedia . . . Wikipedia has some amazing stuff on it, in a wanky way. Check out, e.g., a user named Xiong; start poking around the pages on "micronations"; look up a guy named Sollog; check out the "requests for comment" and "requests for arbitration." It's a lush, near-bottomless ocean of crazy people typing very fast.

—iralith on LJ

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[info]sairobi
2005-09-26 08:58 pm UTC (link)
"This isn't going to work the way you're trying to do it, and you'd get better results if you simply abided by the Wikipedia terms of service just like everybody else."

In other words: JB, if you're finding your rape to be unpleasant, stop struggling.

Is there some sort of law on rape analogies? ... If not, can we make one? Now?

Also, I love the snark and righteous indignation directed at people who don't use their real names on teh intarweb to itty bitty pieces. It's just so darn cute.

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[info]notjo
2005-09-26 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Was he the one who wrote "Next Men"? The comic that had "realistic" portrayals of super heros or something?

It seemed very bitter to me.

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(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2005-09-26 10:31 pm UTC
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[info]melllvar
2005-09-26 09:13 pm UTC (link)
Is Melllvar the only one who automatically responds to wanky-ex-Canadians with "[Other country] can HAVE 'em"?

Yech. ...Not that Melllvar is Canadian, mind you.

...

...Um. I have to go pose my collectibles now. *cough*

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(no subject) - [info]marlo, 2005-09-27 12:34 am UTC
Melllvar Approves - [info]melllvar, 2005-10-13 07:55 am UTC
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[info]jumble
2005-09-26 09:50 pm UTC (link)
</i>On the contrary, you fail first step out of the gate, when you present as an "encyclopedia" something which can be "edited" by anyone who can access the site.</i>

So you see, he doesn't have to work with Wikipedia, because their entire concept is ridiculous and flawed. Also, "why" does "John Byrne" keep "using quotes"?

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(no subject) - [info]slackerbitch, 2005-09-26 09:58 pm UTC
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Erm... - [info]silrayn, 2005-09-27 09:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]solar_type_star, 2005-09-27 11:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]princessdot, 2005-09-28 12:41 am UTC
Byrne
(Anonymous)
2005-09-26 10:20 pm UTC (link)
I cannot tell you how very surprised I was when Byrne got mad at me.

At *me*, personally.

-- DragonflySixtyseven

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Re: Byrne - [info]mister_terrific, 2005-09-26 10:33 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]nima_skysong, 2005-09-26 10:36 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-09-27 01:23 am UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]mister_terrific, 2005-09-27 04:07 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]luxshine, 2005-09-27 05:19 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]phosfate, 2005-09-27 07:24 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]phosfate, 2005-09-27 07:24 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]out_bottle, 2005-10-01 09:57 am UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]palabradot, 2005-09-26 10:38 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]iczer6, 2005-09-26 10:50 pm UTC
Re: Byrne - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-09-27 06:16 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-09-27 12:38 am UTC (link)
Sigh. I'll never read my Byrne/Claremont X-Men comics with quite the same child-like enthusiasm again. The internet is ruining my childhood... Who can I sue?

Ani Mouse

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[info]slackerbitch
2005-09-27 01:24 am UTC (link)
Let me address one thing here, the use of real names. That was something JB insisted on since later in the AOL days, IIRC, and I think it's good. I like feeling like I'm communicating with real people, and don't have to say things like, "That's a good point, Gamaliel," to use a recent example. I don't however, have the illusion that everyone here is using their birthname, and not using a "real sounding" name, their middle name, an alternate spelling of their last name, etc, etc. It's not a problem, unless it turns out to be someone who was banned, pretending to be someone else, or they're using a fake name for some other sinister purpose, and it's discovered. NO ONE is forced to use their birthname, we simply ask that they use a "real name" when registering here, that's all. We're not conducting background investigations. I know that many people who use the internet like to maintain a measure of privacy, and that's fine. We just don't like talking to total cyphers. Isn't that a crazy concept?

So - what he's saying is, I'm allowed to make up a name and pretend to be someone else entirely, but it has to be a name he knows and approves of?

I mean, if Gamaliel says, "Fine, then, call me Mary Beth Schmidt, although that's not even close to my real name," then suddenly these pricks are okay with it?

Seriously, if you're not using your real names, why act like you are? If I said "Mary Beth Schmidt" people would think that was my real name, and be more taken aback to learn that it wasn't than if I was calling myself Arwen Tinuviel. And how is a name that's froo-froo a "total cypher"? It's not like she signed it "user38820".

Wow, is he a pretentious fuck. Both this tool and John Byrne himself.

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[info]yubsie
2005-09-27 02:09 am UTC (link)
You know, as a Canadian... I'm perfectly okay with it being hidden from the world that this wanker is Canadian.

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[info]aaron_agonistes
2005-09-27 02:09 am UTC (link)
Wikipedia isn't as harmless as you are making it out to be.

"Fear the Wiki"?



In other news, I do love a good wittier-than-thou debate that includes such cutting retorts as "Ha! Nobody in the continental United States has your handle as their birth name! PWNED!" The clever, it burns.

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Icon? - [info]khym_chanur, 2005-09-27 12:29 pm UTC
Re: Icon? - [info]aaron_agonistes, 2005-09-27 10:30 pm UTC

[info]sluggirl
2005-09-27 02:09 am UTC (link)
Bahaha, I love John Byrne wank. Who could forget "All Latina women with bleached blond hair look like prostitutes"? Or "Shut up, you sanctimonious assholes, Christopher Reeve was just some guy"? Priceless.

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(no subject) - [info]princessdot, 2005-09-28 03:39 am UTC

[info]cornedbee
2005-09-27 04:32 am UTC (link)
These guys' reaction is just beyond absurd. They [i]really[/i] are incapable of understanding the principles of Wikipedia, aren't they?

"Wikipedia has an obligation to provide accurate information." (paraphrased)
Problem is, there's no Wikipedia that is capable of verifying the accuracy of information. That's up to the users. If the people who claim to know so much about Byrne don't do it, who will?

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[info]janegraddell
2005-09-27 05:19 am UTC (link)
22 pages later....

I think I need a Pepto Bismol icon: "I can't believe I read the whole thing." That sure is some quality pretentiousness there.

*Squelches off to shower*

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[info]annabelle_lee
2005-09-27 06:23 am UTC (link)
Ah, John. Again with the wanking? I swear, he should be chafing from all that by now. The man just doesn't know when to shut his mouth and stop acting like a douche about avoidable things.

On another topic, I had no clue they had graphic novels of Next Men. I miss reading that porny pile of putrid crap. [sheds a little tear for it]

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[info]felinephoenix
2005-09-27 06:47 am UTC (link)
I'm just commenting to abuse my icon.

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[info]mistressrenet
2005-09-27 05:18 pm UTC (link)
Can someone tell me about the Jessica Alba thing? I missed it. Woes.

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[info]fpb
2005-10-02 03:42 am UTC (link)
John Byrne has been wanking on the Net since before I got on to it. I once used to collaborate with a mag called COMICS INTERNATIONAL, which had a feature on comics-related internet news, and once they came up with a huge amount of Byrne spooge - to do, as I recall, with his indescribably awful version of Jack Kirby's New Gods. I wrote in to ask whether there had been nothing else on the Net for one whole month more worth of notice; failing which, I said, watching paint dry might be an option.

Byrne is one of those guys who came in as a prince but remained as a frog. Along with Chris Claremont and Dave Cockrum, he was responsible for one of the greatest superhero stories in history, the Phoenix continuity, about 25 years ago; since which, he and Claremont have been busy destroying their own talents, sabotaging their work, and incidentally backstabbing each other. It is hard to tell which of the two is the worse, but Byrne managed the truly incomparable feat of producing the worst WONDER WOMAN run in recorded history, which, considering that the WW character had longer and worse bad periods than any other superhero or superheroine ever, is quite some trick.

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