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I still say bite me ([info]angura23) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-10-01 01:43:00


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Current mood:OMGWTF

a sex-fantasy involving children is fine...just as long as you don't actually have sex with children
I know that technically the childfree people aren't actually part of a fandom, but I figure that they might as well be, you know. And also this wank is so mind-blowing that I sort of feel it doesn't really matter, but if anyone really strongly objects to this being here, I'll move it obviously.

So, got this off an anonymouse in wank_report. Protoaxl posts the link to this site (ETA: a forum for people who...like young girls, for lack of a better way to put it) on the cf_hardcore community at LJ. People clearly freak out, understandably I think, seeing as I found the site fairly creepy myself. All those pictures of the little girls...seriously. :|

So everyone's happily telling everyone else how disgusted they are, and how glad they are for being childfree as to not bring more victims into the world and everything, when lxl_gl shows up.

Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children... so... they are turned on by thinking about sexual activities with children.

Doesn't mean they will actually do them.


She gives valuable insights into the psyche of pedophiles. Everyone else freaks out much, much more than before. She doesn't actually comment more than twice on the post, I think, but yes, there is a fair amount of spooge from the other members replying to her. I've only skimmed this bit of the thread, but from what I've seen, it's fairly interesting. ;))

ETA: Heh, just realised I automatically assumed lxl_gl was a girl. I'm not really sure why, seeing as most people tend to assume pedophilic type people to be male.

ETA2: [info]sarajayechan mentions another post to cf_hardcore. I totally cannot be bothered to read that whole post, man. But there's much wank in the comments.

ETA3: Verification of Godwin's Law (from the wtf_inc post). *Grins*, I love how these things almost always, always happen in wank.



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[info]schuldig
2005-10-01 02:33 am UTC (link)
Did anyone see the corresponding wank here a little while back? Would've posted, but I felt sure someone else must've already done so. A pedo even shows up to defend himself in sickening detail...

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[info]funwithrage
2005-10-01 02:57 am UTC (link)
Eeeergh. A world of...the hell? Dude.


The guy who was all 'well, what can I do about it, this is who I am?' annoyed the fuck out of me. Try therapy. Or not posting on a message board that encourages it. Or KILLING YOURSELF, FUCKWIT.

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[info]gun
2005-10-01 05:10 am UTC (link)
Agreed. I'm as strongly against capital punishment as you can get, but why is it that paedophiles and white supremacists test my faith? I would honestly castrate the lot and prevent them from voting or driving.

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[info]funwithrage
2005-10-01 06:18 am UTC (link)
See, I'm not so much against capital punishment. But I am against thoughtcrime. But then there's those categories of thought that are..tricky, like, no, they haven't per se *done* anything yet, but either they will do stuff eventually or they're encouraging other people to do it, and the stuff in question is *fucking wrong*.


I also note that I'm veeery liberal about the age of consent and sexuality and so forth; I think sixteen's a pretty fair AOC in general and I'm not likely to freak out about high-school freshmen having sex with seniors. And these people still make me want to kill them.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-01 08:55 am UTC (link)
But then there's those categories of thought that are..tricky, like, no, they haven't per se *done* anything yet, but either they will do stuff eventually or they're encouraging other people to do it, and the stuff in question is *fucking wrong*.

Well, I do think there's a category of people who have, say, pedophilic thoughts and never are going to do anything about them...but we can't possibly know about them because they know they don't want those thoughts dwelling in their minds and that they should therefore keep damned quiet about them. Or, perhaps, they decide to channel those thoughts in more acceptable ways with, for example, converting their pedophilic fantasies to ones about feigned childlike helplessness with consenting adults, and they no longer talk/think about pedophilia itself. I've got no problem with those people.

But once people are willing to talk about those thoughts as if there's nothing really wrong with them, then, yeah, that's where I agree with you about its being worth talking unironically about "thoughtcrime." Because talking openly about it starts to imply that the fantasizer doesn't think there's anything wrong with the fantasy, which often means s/he'd be fine with acting it out given the opportunity.

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[info]funwithrage
2005-10-01 05:47 pm UTC (link)
On, true. And if someone is, say, getting therapy and keeping well away from situations where he or she might end up alone with kids, well, that's one thing. This is a whole 'nother deal--and yes, I know, fantasies, but...well, there's a reason, to make a rather bathetic comparison, that you're not supposed to fantasize about recent exes. Some things are just not helpful to think about--and the board is just wrong.


It's like how, on one hand, you can talk about being anorexic and your experiences trying to overcome the *disease* and try and help other people understand it better and then, on the other hand, you can be a stupid fuck and join pro_ana.

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chief
2005-10-01 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Well said. If you have pedophilic thoughts but know that they should stay firmly in your head, or even better, be talked about with your therapist only, that's quite a bit different from joining a board where pedophiles seem to actually encourage one another, painting themselves as a persecuted sexual minority, victims in an unforgiving and ignorant world. Newsflash to people who compare pedophilism to homosexuality (which I think it's safe to say only pedophiles or homophobes, do): It's quite different with two consenting adults of the same sex loving, or lusting after, each other, than an adult sexually abusing/taking advantage of, a child. And the difference is that the former hurts no one.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-01 07:13 am UTC (link)
Is it just me or is he practically BRAGGING about his fetish? That's like a cry for help right there.

I actually had to look up Free Speech and Anti-Child Molestation Legislation to make me FEEL BETTER that something is being done against this. Even if its hard to police the internet.

http://www.aftab.com/us_child_pornography_laws_post.htm

Being informed is like a bandaid. Makes you feel a little better.

-Rin

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-01 05:46 am UTC (link)
Oh god...this thread

http://www.livejournal.com/community/wtf_inc/1557128.html?thread=27062920#t27062920

The part about educating children to avoid STDs. And the part about children being sexual (DAMN YOU FREUD). Hell, you think an eight year old can really comprehend what HIV is even when explained to them?! WTF!?


-Rin

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-01 05:49 am UTC (link)
Oh and this

"Yes, a prepubescent girl cannot understand all the ramifications of having sexual relations, just as she cannot understand all the ramifications of NOT having sexual relations - and BOTH may be positive or negative.

And besides noting that I am celibate, I would have to say that some girls I have met have "wanted it" much MORE than I have."


baldurgc, you sick bastard.

-Rin

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-01 09:13 pm UTC (link)
...okay, before I was all about freedom of speech, even though I thought those people were incredibly abhorrent. But after reading some of the comments in this thread, and seeing the above as the norm on that comm? The people on that thread should be locked away without a kay for the rest of their lives. That's just grotesque.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-02 12:46 am UTC (link)
I am pretty much all about certain freedoms protected by Free Speech and the flag burning ammendment being an issue right now in legislation, I'm very angry about that. Hell, Larry Flint is an ass but he did do a lot to protect our right to porn!

But lines has to be drawn somewhere. And child pornography in the minds of most Americans is blantantly obsene.

-Rin

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[info]kelschuu
2005-10-02 10:47 am UTC (link)
...And besides noting that I am celibate, I would have to say that some girls I have met have "wanted it" much MORE than I have."

When I was a little girl, I wanted a puppy. I wanted a puppy real badly. I wanted a puppy so damn much I asked for a puppy like five times on every christmas list. I would have turned down Disney Land for a puppy.

But my mom never got me a puppy. And you know what? I'm really damn glad. I would have not been able to pay that much attention to it. I am a fucking flake. If I had ever been given a puppy that would have been the saddest, most mal-adjusted dog in the world.

Assuming that they're even RIGHT, kids don't always know WHAT it is that they want, or know what they want even means. I do believe kids are more intellegent than society expects them to be, but I don't think kids are fully developed enough to make an informed decision like that or give any kind of consent.

Seriously. Does anyone remember when it made PERFECT SENSE that you could tell your parent that YOU surely didn't knock over that lamp... you were on the moon at the time! With Steve! They'll never find out!

Or, the tl;dr version of my post:

Damn, that's messed up. [gratuitous Eddie Izzard quote]

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[info]blackjackrocket
2005-10-01 09:09 am UTC (link)
Hell, you think an eight year old can really comprehend what HIV is even when explained to them?!

Um, yes. Why wouldn't they?

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2005-10-01 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Some might, some might not. Not all eight year olds are geniuses as *cough* certain people purport they were.

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[info]funwithrage
2005-10-01 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Well, they can comprehend it on one level, that it's a disease you get if you do certain things and that it's fucking terrifying. Could an eight-year-old really grasp that she, personally, could get it? I doubt it. A sense that bad shit could happen to *you* doesn't really kick in until at least your later teens--it's why so many teenagers get into car accidents and get involved with drugs and so forth.


I mean, hell, I remember being eight. I remember thinking that I could, if allowed to, drive, and crawling around under old buildings with friends, and doing a skillion other things that would, even now, give my mother heart failure. And I wasn't even one of the more *adventurous* kids--the tale of The Guy Who Burned His Eyebrows Off With a Chemistry Set was pretty legendary in fifth grade. Kids don't, so much, have the ability to process information the same way adults do, especially when it involves personal risk to them.

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chief
2005-10-01 08:29 pm UTC (link)
Well, they can comprehend it on one level, that it's a disease you get if you do certain things and that it's fucking terrifying. Could an eight-year-old really grasp that she, personally, could get it? I doubt it.

Exactly. The same thing with getting pregnant. I wanted children ever since I was maybe three or four, and I asked my mum how old the world youngest mum was, as a way of counting how long I would have to wait. Does that mean I understood that if I wanted to be the world's youngest mum, I would also have to have sex at a very young age? Heck no! And it wasn't like I believed in the stork, I knew everything about how children were made!

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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-10-01 07:19 am UTC (link)
Oh jesus christ... I can't believe the sick bastard tries the "Children are born sexual" line. No. Just. No. No you just do not use shit like that as justification for raping little kids.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2005-10-01 04:53 pm UTC (link)
No you do not.

Agh. I should not be reading shit like that at this time of the month. TAMPAX NUNCHAKU EXECUTION FOR YOU.

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[info]cleolinda
2005-10-01 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Hee!

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[info]funwithrage
2005-10-01 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Damn straight.


Sex play between kids is normal and fine--kids may have their differences within their own pecking order, but they're pretty much equals. Adults are authority figures, both in the practical sense of having power and in the moral sense: they're grownups, they know more, and therefore they must be right. There's no way for a kid to give consent in that situation.


Also, *ew*.

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chief
2005-10-01 08:44 pm UTC (link)
It really weirds me out how these people can think kids actually want them that way. (ewwwww!)

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[info]funwithrage
2005-10-03 05:09 am UTC (link)
Damn straight.


I mean--okay, when I was ten or twelve, I may have had *crushes* on James Bond and Rhett Butler and so forth, but they were all almost platonic, because ye gods age difference. The guys I thought about in any sort of sexual way were, basically, my age.


I mean, never underestimate the ability of dumbasses to convince themselves that whoever they want wants them, but...eww.

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chief
2005-10-01 07:51 pm UTC (link)
jeebus, that guy is cree. pee.

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[info]elektra3
2005-10-02 02:00 am UTC (link)
Got news for you, buddy. Children are BORN sexual.

While I agree it's a violation of a child to not respect their desires, or to distribute pictures of them without their permission, it is just as much of a civil rights violation to repress a child's sexuality or to treat them as property.


Fuck you and the pseudo-pro-civil-liberties high horse you rode in on, pervert.

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