sepiamagpie
2003-06-26 09:50 pm UTC (link)

I don't think she meant it to be wanky. Hell, it didn't come off as wanky when I read it. I think she just means that she felt pressured.

But on the people giving her a hard time to going into a chatroom or whatever, a lot of people were happy/excited to meet this person. Or see her again. And apparently they were being too enthusiastic and it led to people mocking it, etc. And her by association (I believe one interesting turn of phrase involved a metaphor for feces dribbling out of peoples mouths).

Plus: She ain't a wanker, dangit. I'd be more coherent on arguing for her but long stuff means I have trouble remembering each exact point and I hate it when I end up contradicting myself at various points by accident. It just ruins the image.

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	and on the Nute mention... sepiamagpie 2003-06-26 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	Also. Where's the wank in just saying "this is how your story can be kept from being nominated"? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: and on the Nute mention...

phosfate
2003-06-26 10:17 pm UTC (link)

I don't know about wank, but I think the notion that it's the duty of the author to state up front that a piece shouldn't be considered is a little presumptive. And impractical - for example, who'd put a 'no awards pleeeeeze' disclaimer on a fic when they don't know such things exist? And net fandom moving as quickly as it does, it's entirely possible for a story to exist long before there's a possible award for it.

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	sepiamagpie 2003-06-26 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	Point. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	senor_pinata 2003-06-26 10:44 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't really find that wanky. (Reply to this)

virago
2003-06-26 10:45 pm UTC (link)

I'm no judge of wanky - I just worry about a comment that seems to say "If you win an award, it proves you're a decent writer!" No...nine times out of ten, it's because you were a crowd-pleaser, which is independent of writing skill.

It also worries me with the insinuation that ONLY the person who comes in FIRST in a race is worthwhile, and the rest are crap. Seems like self-imposed pressure on that end.

Maybe it was sarcastic; if so, I couldn't tell without context.

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	darqstar 2003-06-29 05:28 am UTC (link)
	Maybe it was sarcastic; if so, I couldn't tell without context. It was for the most part, which was half the problem in itself. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snacky 2003-06-26 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	Not really seeing the wank here. Just someone admitting how she feels. But then I'm probably biased, because six years ago, when I was a little nobody in XM fandom, she was always kind to me, and answered my feedback and questions with funny, helpful emails. (not to imply that I'm anybody now - I'm still a nobody. I'm the original No Name Fan) (Reply to this)

Oh really....

funkyhelix
2003-06-27 01:02 am UTC (link)

I know Darqstar, and I was there the night she came into chat. This person is the opposite of what you expect a BNF to be. She is unassuming and sits on the fringes of the fandom intimidated by those she sees as wonderful writers. Her claim to fame was merely running an archive for stories, so they were all in one place for her to read herself. When it became to much, she said so and backed down. No shame in that. But people built up this archive to be a huge thing because at the time, there was no other one like it. So now there's a constant backlash of people saying how suchandsuch archive is better, or how suchandsuch archivist is better than Darqstar, because that early archive is the measuring stick. Despite the fact that it wasn't the greatest, merely the first big one... and despite Darqstar not seeking attention for that honor.

The other thing she did was write a small character named Siku, that inspired other writers to not only write this character into their own work, but create fan art and an insane hope in other writers that they could create follow with a character just as popular. But it too was a lot of luck and mere friendship between writers that propelled that character. Darqstar's archive was a mass of future Subreality writers, and that later became a close community of friends, co-writers, etc.

Darqstar's BNF status came about merely because she was a nice person, doing a good thing, and building honest friendships in the fandom.

Why she left fandom, I don't know. But suddenly she appeared online in IRC one night.

She knew the Subreality people, some of them before they were Subreality. She didn't come in expecting anyone to remember her or what she did, but some of us did. Then there were people like me who honestly admired someone who had created a huge archive, when I knew first hand what handling a tiny one cost me in spare time. People I admired for their writing and their friendship looked to Darqstar with affection, and so I too felt a sort of happy feeling that she returned to the community.

But then those who have given comic fic a bad name, who have appeared in F_W over and over, who I have no love lost for...*coughNUTEcough* took it upon himself to slam her down in chat because how dare this person come in and be accepted into the community after leaving, when he was sitting right there waiting for his ass to be kissed. He was rude, petty, and obnoxious. His usual self at that time. She had done nothing but come into the chat and said hi.

From then on Darq has been quietly moving in the fandom, never expecting anything from anyone. Never reaching levels of wank that deserve to have her posted here.

If you are posting Darq, you are seriously reaching on a slow news day.

And that's my two cents and then some.

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funkyhelix
2003-06-27 01:05 am UTC (link)

Heh. Must not rant without caffeine first. Oh well. Teach me to post without reading it over first. :)

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	phosfate 2003-06-27 05:45 am UTC (link)
	Nah, it was impassioned. Caffeine would'a sent it over the top. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	split 2003-06-27 01:59 am UTC (link)
	Pardon the off topic question, but what's BNF? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	stubbleglitter 2003-06-27 02:07 am UTC (link)
	Big Name Fan. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	harukami 2003-06-27 02:10 am UTC (link)
	A Big Name Fan. :) Someone who writes in a fandom and if you mention the fandom, someone asks you "Have you read (soandso)'s stuff. (Reply to this)(Parent)

iczer6
2003-06-27 03:06 am UTC (link)

>>Work hard children, make lots of friends, write well, and maybe we'll give you an award, which will show the world that you are a decent writer.">>

I don't know folks comments like seem just a little wanky to me. As it stands I really don't know the backstory here, but I had the impression that internet fanfic awards were really just a way of trying to inspire fanfic writers. I don't think they really /mean/ anything.

I mean could you take one of those awards to a job interview? Could it help you in life outside the fandom?

I mean sure it's nice to know people like your work enough to nominate it, but I think this comment is just a tad over-the-top.

Icz

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	senor_pinata 2003-06-27 10:11 am UTC (link)
	It also wasn't expressing her actual view--just what the awards seemed to signify. (Reply to this)(Parent)

zannechaos
2003-06-27 11:02 am UTC (link)

I had the impression that internet fanfic awards were really just a way of trying to inspire fanfic writers.

That's what it is...in theory. The reality of it's far more brutal. It becomes a popularity contest, and the absence or presence of awards lends itself toward the school of thought that only good writers get awards.

Think about it. A medicore writer who writes a popular pairing is more liable to get reviews or votes than a good writer who writes a less popular pairing, for example.

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zannechaos
2003-06-27 04:26 am UTC (link)

Gods help me, I'm actually agreeing with

funkyhelix on something.

But that's the kind of person Darq is. She's amazing. She's human, but one of the kindest, nicest people I've ever met. That's not to say she won't rip you six ways from sunday if you push her hard enough and far enough, but treat her like the intelligent and kind person she really is, and you couldn't ask for a better friend.

And what's more -- she'll probably deny what we've just said about her. She's not out for fame and she doesn't jockey for popularity, and many times when I've praised her for something, she's tried to diminish it, passing it off as nothing that special or out of the ordinary.

She's as far from being wanky as day is from night. I know the whole situation with the IRC chatrooms and awards bugged her. I'm glad to see her back and active, and I really wish she'd start up writing fanfics again. I like her work. But more than that, I like her. She's been a marvelous friend to me, and her capacity for decency, common sense, and caring is to me a far better claim to fame than some award for fanfic, unlike snotty, mealy-mouthed jackasses who take it upon themselves to determine who they think should be allowed in what place think.

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	phosfate 2003-06-27 05:43 am UTC (link)
	Gods help me, I'm actually agreeing with funkyhelix on something. My world is coming apart! I...I'm sorry, I need to go call the Hotline. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	zannechaos 2003-06-27 05:46 am UTC (link)
	::laughs:: If there's any free - I'm calling them too! I think that's just a testimony of what kind of person Darqstar is, and what kind of heart she has. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-06-27 05:49 am UTC (link)
	::nods:: Darq = top-quality mensch. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	misswindy 2003-06-27 04:37 am UTC (link)
	Like everyone else, I'm not seeing the wank here at all. Just a really heartfelt personal posting on things she was frustrated and sad about. (That's what journals are occasionally FOR.) Better luck next time. (Reply to this)

	moonjaguar 2003-06-27 05:56 am UTC (link)
	Sounds like BNF burnout to me. I haven't found a big red Wank in there anyway (even coming from Nute the Toot). (Reply to this)

Guess what? NOT WANK!

raisedbyhyenas
2003-06-27 11:29 am UTC (link)

Maye you should have actually READ the post instead of just skimming for certain catchphrases and pissing all over yourself in premature glee. Your commentary is out-of-context and just plain wrong. Is there a grudge here? Were you TRYING to make this person look bad, thinking it'd be easy/amusing to rile up the "rabid F_W trolls" based solely upon your carefully selected snippets? If so...gee, sorry. We're not stupid sheep. Better luck next time.

PS: Though at least there's Nute-wank. :)

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	You know what bites about only allowing JF members to comment? zannechaos 2003-06-28 01:19 am UTC (link)
	It means non-JF members can't comment directly... Darqstar replies. I believe the mood should now be "bitch-slapped." Yes, I'm amused. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: You know what bites about only allowing JF members to comment? darqstar 2003-06-29 05:30 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, I got the journalfen code about seconds after I posted that. grins (Reply to this)(Parent)

firebird308
2003-06-28 08:32 pm UTC (link)

Gods help me, but I'm actually agreeing with funkyhelix. -_-

I know Darq. You... don't. So you may want to get off your high horse, hmm?

As another person said, better luck next time.</p>

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nostalgia
2003-06-29 01:31 am UTC (link)

Sweet baby Jesus, I think I'm the only person to see the wank. Because this is true intellectual masturbation - "Shit, I'm hot, I make the fandom go round." Makes me want to post some wank to my own journal about how I am the ENT fandom, and if they don't give me awards then fine because I don't want it to be done in PUBLIC rather than in some clique I own, and if they do it's only because they want to kiss my arse since I am the fandom. Hah.

Sure, there's venting, but so is most of the wank round here.

And hey, if we start fighting over this, can someone start a thread pointing out the fandom wankage happening on Fandom Wank? Cos, dude, this comments thread is prime wankage...

But, yeah, wanking. You can almost see the cum on the 34th paragraph of self-worship.

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Excuse me? Pt 1

darqstar
2003-06-29 05:23 am UTC (link)

Sweet baby Jesus, I think I'm the only person to see the wank.

No, clearly the original poster did as well. That's two of you.

Because this is true intellectual masturbation - "Shit, I'm hot, I make the fandom go round."

Where and when did I say that? Where and when did I even imply that? There were people who though I made fandom go around, or thought that I thought that I made fandom go around, but trust me, I didn't. I had an archive, a huge archive, and that was about it. And I freely admit, the only reason why I had a huge archive was because I was fortunate enough to have a brother in law who gave me free space and a lot of free time. Anyone else who had those two things could have done exactly what I had done.

Yes, there were people who thought I had some control over things, trust me, I didn't. I wasn't one of the "social ones" that met in the chat rooms, and I didn't have the time or the fucking desire to be a driving force in fandom. I wanted to write, have my archive, and that was it. Free time I spent writing. I was spending an average of 8-10 hour a day putting up stories, when the hell did I have time to make fandom run around me?

Makes me want to post some wank to my own journal about how I am the ENT fandom, and if they don't give me awards then fine because I don't want it to be done in PUBLIC rather than in some clique I own, and if they do it's only because they want to kiss my arse since I am the fandom. Hah.

Go for it. You strike me as a candidate for mental masturbation anyway, with your constant refrences to it. In fact, I'm sure you're twisting your own personal feelings onto me. No thank you. I don't want to be the inspiration behind your self-inspired fantasies, go jerk it to yourself.

I don't want awards. For god's sake, would you and the few others that agree with you, please stop taking the fucking liberty of twisting "I don't want awards" into "I really do?" I DON'T FUCKING WANT THEM! I am NOT the fandom. I could point you to at least 25 other people who contributed a hell of a lot more to X-Men fandom that I ever did. Better writers, people who befriended others, people who turned it into a community, rather than just a bunch of folks drifting around out there. If I'd had my way, the fandom would have never been more than that. A bunch of folks writing, posting, and the only contact would be through email. I am far from fandom. In fact, the entire reason for the post was to say that clearly, I don't belong in fandom.

Sure, there's venting, but so is most of the wank round here.

Oh, little man, if you take that as an example of someone venting, you obviously have your head up your ass. When I vent there is no mistake about it, and that wasn't venting. I have nothing to vent about in X-Men fandom. I have no one to "blame" for my not being there, than myself.

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Re: Excuse me? Pt 2

darqstar
2003-06-29 05:24 am UTC (link)

And hey, if we start fighting over this, can someone start a thread pointing out the fandom wankage happening on Fandom Wank? Cos, dude, this comments thread is prime wankage...

*Thinks* Oh yeah, the idea that people could defend anyone else, clearly in your mind is wankage, probably because no one would step forward to defend you if you were accused of something falsely. Since when did defending someone automatically mean wankage? What's your problem, never had anyone rush to your defense when people were saying shit about you? Hm... probably not.

But, yeah, wanking. You can almost see the cum on the 34th paragraph of self-worship.

First of all, your use of pornographic words doesn't make you "cool." Sorry to break it to you, since I'm sure that Bevis and Butthead intelect of yours has gotten you soo far in life.

Second, paragraph 34 reads... And I always chickened out. Because I thought that no matter what I wrote, no matter how desperately I tried to explain, it would come across looking like, "Unless you can garentee me I'll win, I don't want to play!" Or, like I was shitting all over their idea. Which, I was, in my own mind, but I also knew that I had no right to shit on their idea.

How is that self-worship? I'm openly admiting there, I couldn't explain what I meant without sounding like an idiot. I'm basically admitting that I'm a fanfiction writer, who can't even explain something in a letter correctly. And yes, to write and say, "I don't want anything to do with your awards" would have sounded like I was either A: Crying sour grapes over the idea that I might not win. B: Giving my disapproval of the idea of them doing the CBFFA's. I was in a no-win situation, and rather than do anything, I did nothing, which in it's own way, was the worst thing I could do. Instead of making a stand, I played chickenshit.

One last time, since you like the brat who posted this, seem to think that I'm obsessed with awards, MY opinion, and mine ONLY is that FOR ME PERSONALLY I don't like awards. I don't feel they should be stopped, because for god's sake, what I want isn't what the WORLD wants. But for me, I don't like them. I don't like the whole concept of them, I don't like turning a hobby into a competition. I don't like competition at all to be honest. But that's ME and ME ALONE. For the love of mike, I said several times in the post, that my feelings are not intended to be a reflection of anyone elses but myself. I wasn't laying out black and white, right and wrong, I was laying out how I felt.

And it was in MY FUCKING JOURNAL. If I can't be honest with myself in my own journal, where the hell else should I go?

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Can I have the film rights to the trilogy?

nostalgia
2003-06-29 06:11 am UTC (link)

And hey, if we start fighting over this, can someone start a thread pointing out the fandom wankage happening on Fandom Wank? Cos, dude, this comments thread is prime wankage...

*Thinks* Oh yeah, the idea that people could defend anyone else, clearly in your mind is wankage,

Umm... I was thinking more of the point-and-laugh element of people on FW defending one of the journals targets. Which - whatever your take on the validity of the inital assault - is actually a rather amusing concept.

probably because no one would step forward to defend you if you were accused of something falsely. Since when did defending someone automatically mean wankage? What's your problem, never had anyone rush to your defense when people were saying shit about you? Hm... probably not.

I cower under your amazing insult. People have. It's not that big a deal, really.

First of all, your use of pornographic words doesn't make you "cool." Sorry to break it to you, since I'm sure that Bevis and Butthead intelect of yours has gotten you soo far in life.

Wank from me: on IQ points I may well score higher than you. That's not an insult, just a probability. I may not use my full intellect on, say, the internet, but it's there. And, hey, it's only cum. It's a natural thing. What would you prefer? Orgasmic fluid? Vaginal lubricant? Those just sound silly.

Second, paragraph 34 reads... And I always chickened out. Because I thought that no matter what I wrote, no matter how desperately I tried to explain, it would come across looking like, "Unless you can garentee me I'll win, I don't want to play!" Or, like I was shitting all over their idea. Which, I was, in my own mind, but I also knew that I had no right to shit on their idea.

Hey, fair enough. It's still wanky though, just like it would be wanky if I said it. The pains I go to not to be, but still, it happens. I got my (fandom thing removed in case it looks like self-publicity) proof-read to make sure it was less wanky than the ones other authors had done.

One last time, since you like the brat who posted this,

I don't even know said person. I assign neither him/her nor you any special place in my heart. I was just going with the concept. Partly because no one else did. Because they like you. And I don't know who the fuck you are.

seem to think that I'm obsessed with awards,

Oh. Again, how a missing comma can change a sentence... Bugger, eh?

I don't know. Are you?

And it was in MY FUCKING JOURNAL. If I can't be honest with myself in my own journal, where the hell else should I go?

Again, fair enough. But alas journals are on the net, which is a public forum. Possibly the most public. Those are the risks we all take.

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Re: Can I have the film rights to the trilogy?

darqstar
2003-06-29 06:59 am UTC (link)

Umm... I was thinking more of the point-and-laugh element of people on FW defending one of the journals targets. Which - whatever your take on the validity of the inital assault - is actually a rather amusing concept.

Why? Is that totally forbidden? Once someone says you're a wank, by god, everyone in this group had better agree?

I cower under your amazing insult. People have. It's not that big a deal, really.

*Raises a brow* I was pointing it out as a probablity, not a true insult. You seem to think there is something wrong with people sticking up for other people. No, it's not the biggest thing in the world, nor does it make someone automatically "right," I'm sure even the biggest idiot has had idiots stick up for him/her, but it still struck me as rather interesting that you seem to think that defending someone makes them somehow wankers themselves.

Wank from me: on IQ points I may well score higher than you. That's not an insult, just a probability. I may not use my full intellect on, say, the internet, but it's there. And, hey, it's only cum. It's a natural thing. What would you prefer? Orgasmic fluid? Vaginal lubricant? Those just sound silly.

Don't know if that's true, don't really care. I have friends with amazingly high IQ's that are total retards when it comes to real life. IQ tests mean pretty much crap in the total picture. But, if it makes you happy to be pretty sure your IQ is higher than mine, then by all means, go for it. I won't take the bet, cause I never claimed to have a high IQ. As for the sex refrences, I just find them disgustingly amusing. It seems like every pompus ass I've ever met on the net uses lots of slang refrences to sex and porno, yet I rarely meet anyone who does that IRL. Another amusing example about how most people aren't really themselves online, but more likely to have adapted a persona of themselves.

I don't even know said person. I assign neither him/her nor you any special place in my heart. I was just going with the concept. Partly because no one else did. Because they like you. And I don't know who the fuck you are.

I never said you did know said person, or claimed you and them were close in any way. I just refered to them as a brat. *shrugs*

I don't know. Are you?

Okay, point in your court, I should have said, "think I am obsessed with getting awards." And, eh, it was the focal point of one post. But most of my journal and my real life has nothing to do with awards. The big thing with awards that I hate is that it's a public thing. I'm not a people person. Never have been, never will be. Which was half the point of the original post too. Once a fandom get too big, it becomes more about people than it does about writing and even about what it was originally intended. Suddenly it doesn't matter that it's X-Men fandom, what matters is who in the fandom is sleeping with who, who is writing what, who thinks that person X doesn't belong with person Y in canon.

Again, fair enough. But alas journals are on the net, which is a public forum. Possibly the most public. Those are the risks we all take.

I still see a big difference. If I'd gone to the subreality cafe boards or any of the other boards that are associated with X-Men fandom (if they're still even around) and posted the post, then yeah, that would have been tasteless. However, even if I'm leaving it for the public, it's still my journal. It's an extention of me, warts and all. In general, I try to be totally honest in that one area of my internet life, even when I'm allowing the public to see it. Otherwise, there's no point in it.

Anyone who keeps a journal online can be considered wanking it when you look at it that way. I mean, what's a journal but a place that's pretty much all about you?

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	Blah blah blah... raisedbyhyenas 2003-06-29 10:09 am UTC (link)
	When 20+ people say "not wanky" and one person says "wanky," that one person already looks pretty astonishingly stupid without any outside help. Why bother? You're just setting yourself up to become very wanky very fast. For heaven's sake, woman, let it go. You got roundly defended in a place where people usually get eaten alive. What more do you want? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Blah blah blah...

darqstar
2003-06-30 12:28 am UTC (link)

You've got a point, and I'll credit that to you. But, I have this thing about defending myself, especially when I'm accused of exactly the oposite of what I am. The person above thought that my whole point in writing the post was to tell everyone that "I made fandom go 'round." When most of the post was explaining how I didn't make the fandom go 'round, that even if some folks thought I did, or thought I thought I did, that was about the dumbest thing around. I couldn't even chat with the other folks in the community without feeling like their opinion was, "Why are you here? Get the fuck out, now!" Socially, I'm a total loser and the more social fandom gets, the more people get out of it, the more pathetic my being there gets.

I know how to bullshit, trust me on that. I could write a post pretty easily where I could easily twist it so that all my reasons for leaving fandom were someone else's fault, and I come off looking like gold. But that would be a bunch of bullshit. I left X-Men fandom, because I couldn't take the changes.

The original post was about realizing that I'm a coward and a chickenshit and unable to function well in a large organization. "Yup, I suck!" And what blows me away is that some folks can read it and think it means exactly the oposite, that what I'm really saying is, "I'm great, I'm cool, it's all for me!"

But again, you're right. I should have just let it go. But, it really bugs the crap out of me when someone twists me into something I'm not. Lord knows I'm fucked up enough without people adding to what's wrong with me.

But thanks for pointing out that I'm going too far with this. And I don't mean that in any sarcastic way at all, I'm being sincere. I needed a slap and you gave it to me. Thank you.

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Re: Blah blah blah...

nostalgia
2003-06-30 01:27 am UTC (link)

Thank God that's over.

Look, I'd be a lot nicer right now, and try to explain how far I wasn't going full-on bicthy in my initial comment, but I feel shit today and quite frankly I don't have time for your ego, your over-zealous insults, or your sheer verbosity. Right now, all I want to do is curl up in a ball and cry. There may even be sharp objects involved. So thanks for calling me thick, for saying no one would defend me, for failing to get anything I was saying at any time.

I was, as it happens, doing more of a sticking up for. I was chiming in for someone I don't even know, against the general tide of how much they want to suck your metaphorical cock. OK? Get that? Sorry I made you write an epic response that took up several comment fields. But you made it more wank, so I'm sure you feel very proud of yourself.

I had nothing against you when this started. OK? Underfuckingstood?

PS: You should probably ignore the less sane bits of this. I have my schizophrenia mother yelling at me, I'm crying, and I'm not the happiest of bunnies. I probably shouldn't even be posting this. But maybe the knowledge of my misery will cheer you up, since you clearly hate me and hope I die.

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This is not to get the last word in..

darqstar
2003-06-30 02:17 am UTC (link)

PS: You should probably ignore the less sane bits of this. I have my schizophrenia mother yelling at me, I'm crying, and I'm not the happiest of bunnies. I probably shouldn't even be posting this. But maybe the knowledge of my misery will cheer you up, since you clearly hate me and hope I die.

I don't hate you. I don't know you well enough to hate you. I also don't know you well enough to like you. *Shrugs*

Look, I'm leaving it, I was planning on leaving it, until I came to that last paragraph. Are you okay? No, that was stupid of me. If someone is yelling at you and you're crying, you're clearly not okay. Let me rephrase that. Are you going to be okay?

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	Re: This is not to get the last word in.. nostalgia 2003-06-30 03:03 am UTC (link)
	Friend phoned. Feel bit better now. Mother is in one of her less lucid moments now. Let us begin again. I shall friend thee on LJ and then we can see if we'd like one another if none of this crap had ever happened. OK? hugs Oh, and what's a Xing? Is it that guy from (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: This is not to get the last word in..

darqstar
2003-06-30 04:50 am UTC (link)

Friend phoned. Feel bit better now. Mother is in one of her less lucid moments now.

I'm glad you had a friend call. That usually cheers me up. Still, sorry your Mom was being a pain.

Let us begin again. I shall friend thee on LJ and then we can see if we'd like one another if none of this crap had ever happened.

All right. I'll do the same. Little warning though, I use my journal to babble a lot.

OK?

Okay.

*hugs*

*Hugsback* Sorry... about all of this. It was wrong of me to come here and blast you for your opinions.

Oh, and what's a Xing? Is it that guy from
Xing... abreviation for Crossing, I believe. It's actually a sign used at a site for people who raise donkeys. It's the only icon I have on my journalfen right now. I have to get some more.

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	Re: Blah blah blah... nostalgia 2003-06-30 01:17 am UTC (link)
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Re: Can I have the film rights to the trilogy?

nostalgia
2003-06-30 01:16 am UTC (link)

Umm... I was thinking more of the point-and-laugh element of people on FW defending one of the journals targets. Which - whatever your take on the validity of the inital assault - is actually a rather amusing concept.

Why? Is that totally forbidden? Once someone says you're a wank, by god, everyone in this group had better agree?

*blink* Umm. No.

Bugger. Another example of text failing to get across the entire point to the reader.

F_W is known for having no sympathy with any human being ever. And yet you got righteous indignation cos you, it turns out, are the fandom after all. Or something. And then you show up. And then it turns into a mini-flame-war. Which. Is. Wanky. F_W backs down? F_W sticks up for someone cos they are Da Bomb and worthy of all the words they say? Wanktastic!

You seem to think there is something wrong with people sticking up for other people. No, it's not the biggest thing in the world, nor does it make someone automatically "right," I'm sure even the biggest idiot has had idiots stick up for him/her, but it still struck me as rather interesting that you seem to think that defending someone makes them somehow wankers themselves.

Hey, look! The suicidal depressive managed to delete the angry retort! Instead: no. I don't see anything wrong with it. You missed the point, massively. And I can't be arsed to explain it now.

Look, dearie, you started the IQ thing. OK? And I spent far fewer words on it than you did just there. You said: I'm sure that Bevis and Butthead intelect of yours has gotten you soo far in life. See? And as I hadn't quite stooped to the personal insults in my initial comment, you seemed rather nasty. Especially given that you're BNF enough to be above wanking. Apparently.

I never said you did know said person, or claimed you and them were close in any way. I just refered to them as a brat. *shrugs*

It was a missing comma. I just couldn't be arsed to remove the reply.

Once a fandom get too big, it becomes more about people than it does about writing and even about what it was originally intended. Suddenly it doesn't matter that it's X-Men fandom, what matters is who in the fandom is sleeping with who, who is writing what, who thinks that person X doesn't belong with person Y in canon.

Which is why fandom is such a big bowl of wank. (Umm, that sounded vile. Oops.) It's all nastiness! I come here mainly because fandom spends so much time pissing everyone off and the need to vent does tend to arise.

Anyone who keeps a journal online can be considered wanking it when you look at it that way. I mean, what's a journal but a place that's pretty much all about you?

YES! That's it exactly!

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