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lonesomepudding (lonesomepudding) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-10-17 21:39:00


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Entry tags:anime/manga, fanfic, gaff, grudgewank, rape

Trigun Smut, Tattoos, and Hilter Lemon, Oh My!
This is just a GAFF baby wank. It looks to be pretty much over, but I thought the absurdity was too funny not to share.

It starts when Ouchthathurt posts a fic snark in New Releases. All is well for several days, with interested GAFFers providing the usual snark and "pass the bleach" comments.

Rabid Badger mentions another Trigun smutfic, a somewhat famous one in which Wolfwood rapes Meryl with guns. Again, the usual "I know that fic! Aauugh! Run away!" comments from GAFFers. Again, all is the usual snarking-in-peace that goes on on GAFF.

Then, evilmouse, the author of the Wolfwood rapes Meryl with guns fic shows up to say "OMG, you meanies! How dare you judge my fetishes or my right to fanfic them?!" Complete with a copy of an e-mail she made to Rabid Badger.

Then, the real fun begins.

Flying Skull proceeds to tell evilmouse that she wishes for her to get gangraped by several large, smelly men. "May you be raped and not once; may you be gang-raped by lots of 'HAWT UNTAMED EROTICA' seeking males for at least a month."

This is followed by Ouchthathurt tearing apart evilmouse's post, followed by evilmouse tearing apart her comments with psuedo-intellectual babble about how anyone should be able to do anything they want with fanfiction without being criticised for it (evilmouse apparently completely misses the point of GAFF, not to mention the point that some of the other posters there were trying to make about real rape being a distinctly different thing than "romance rape.")

FlyingSkull makes allegations that evilmouse, despite presenting herself as a female, is actually a man playing pretend, and again with the "I hope you're gang raped!"

BarnabasFrid comes along with the classic "Don't liek, don't reeeeed!" defense that is the staple of many fangirls. She praises evilmouse as as having "stellar" writing skills, and proceeds to take the thread off topic by explaining how she wrote a Dark Shadows fanfic in which a character who normally would never say "fuck" says "fuck" and talks about how she based her entire fanfic on that premise. She accuses GAFF of being childish, complete with an invoking of Snacky's Law.

And BF plugs her upcomming Hitler lemon! Oh joy!

PixeBob says in response "If you were truly a fan of the these characters, you wouldn't be twisting them around making them do things they wouldn't actually do."

BF takes offense and responds with "Of course I'm a true fan! I'm fanner than you! I got tattoos of the character on my body!" complete with photographs of her tattoos, to OMG PROVE SHE'S FANNER THAN ALL OF US!!!

People snark, BF accuses GAFF of being bullies who are insecure with themselves. She/He/It proposes the game "Let's see who can shut up longer!"

Evilmouse calls FlyingSkull out on her desire to see her gang raped.

Everything sort of dies down with laughing at the trolls after that, though BF manages to get one last Adolf Hitler quote in.


(Sidenote to the few people who *might* remember me here: MillyFan/Ouchthat hurt and I are no longer buds. I feel no need to defend her anymore if anyone calls her out as wanky. However this is not grudewank. I don't think she's being wanky here, she just happened to be the originator of the thread).

I posted on the thread, though, at least so far, I'm not really involved in the wank - why I thought to post here instead of I_Wank. Please tell me right away if this thread should be moved there. Thank you.



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[info]panthea
2005-10-18 03:51 pm UTC (link)
So anyone who writes or enjoys rapefic should be gang-raped? Scuse me while I go lock and bolt the doors.

not to mention the point that some of the other posters there were trying to make about real rape being a distinctly different thing than "romance rape."

Great, early-morning patronization! Just what I was looking for.

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Uff-da, it's Flyingskull again
(Anonymous)
2005-10-20 05:42 am UTC (link)
with her limitless capacity for getting off on righteous indignation, and her remarkable gift for missing the point.

Spartina

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[info]croix
2005-10-18 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Fanner? Christ, I'm surprised I haven't heard that before

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[info]wrongly_amused
2005-10-18 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Wow, the self-entitlement on both ends of the conflict is just amazing.

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[info]schmendrick
2005-10-18 05:30 pm UTC (link)
And BF plugs her upcomming Hitler lemon! Oh joy!

...

If it hypothetically came down to a choice between reading either that or the Draco/Giant Squid fic, I think I'd have to go with the squid

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[info]luthe
2005-10-18 06:26 pm UTC (link)
HP fandom: like hentai, in a way.

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Re: ... - [info]teruhiko, 2005-10-18 10:00 pm UTC
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[info]iczer6
2005-10-18 09:56 pm UTC (link)
I just realized that your icon and user-name is the most awesome icon and username ever.

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Re: ... - [info]schmendrick, 2005-10-18 11:44 pm UTC
Re: ... - [info]the_mouse, 2005-10-19 05:21 am UTC
Re: ... - [info]iczer6, 2005-10-19 05:45 am UTC
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[info]ninja_stripper
2005-10-19 07:10 am UTC (link)
SCHMENDRICK *fangirls*


I have nothing of value to add, sorry.

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[info]mastervex
2005-10-19 08:30 am UTC (link)
*joins in the Shmendrick icon fangirling*

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[info]smo
2005-10-19 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Be wary of rousing a wizard's wrath!

*echoing the icon love*

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[info]esclaramonde
2005-10-18 05:31 pm UTC (link)
Speaking of GAFFwank, I was really sad that my Underwater Light wank went pretty much unregarded. I started the whole thing, and it ended up four pages long, and nobody noticed. :(

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[info]ninjachimp
2005-10-18 05:34 pm UTC (link)
Link?

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(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-18 05:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninjachimp, 2005-10-18 05:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-18 05:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-10-18 11:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-19 12:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lanjelin, 2005-10-19 01:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-19 02:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]silvertongue, 2005-10-19 02:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lanjelin, 2005-10-19 05:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-10-19 04:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schmendrick, 2005-10-18 11:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-19 12:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]silvertongue, 2005-10-19 02:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-19 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]silvertongue, 2005-10-19 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-19 02:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]silvertongue, 2005-10-19 02:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2005-10-19 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]silvertongue, 2005-10-19 03:08 am UTC

[info]llama_treats
2005-10-18 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Hitler lemon? I wonder how much it'll sell for on eBay.

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(no subject) - [info]ninjachimp, 2005-10-18 06:03 pm UTC

[info]footsie
2005-10-18 06:28 pm UTC (link)
"(Sidenote to the few people who *might* remember me here: MillyFan/Ouchthat hurt and I are no longer buds. I feel no need to defend her anymore if anyone calls her out as wanky. However this is not grudewank. I don't think she's being wanky here, she just happened to be the originator of the thread)."

Might remember? Well, I didn't, but now that you reminded me...

You realize that making this statement is like waving chum in front of a school of sharks, right? It's also unnecessary -- aside from that one suggestion that evilmouse might be male, she hasn't said anything in this thread worth getting all that defensive over. Mouse, Skull, and Frid are all wanking much more than Ouch.

Other than that, this is pretty good. I'm picturing BarnabasFrid holding a gun with a swastika and a lemon on it, aiming it at all of us. "Get away from me, or I swear to God I'll shoot!" I like this mental image... but I'm easily amused.

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(no subject) - [info]cleo_lassen, 2005-10-18 07:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mouseybrown, 2005-10-18 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2005-10-18 11:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mouseybrown, 2005-10-19 11:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2005-10-19 10:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleo_lassen, 2005-10-18 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mouseybrown, 2005-10-19 11:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2005-10-18 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - lonesomepudding, 2005-10-18 09:00 pm UTC

[info]elektra3
2005-10-18 07:05 pm UTC (link)
"May you be raped and not once; may you be gang-raped by lots of 'HAWT UNTAMED EROTICA' seeking males for at least a month."

DIE.

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[info]loki
2005-10-18 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Wow, everyone loses in that thread.

Those were some weird looking tattoos though.

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(no subject) - [info]v_digitalwytch, 2005-10-19 02:38 pm UTC

[info]dreamtoday
2005-10-18 08:09 pm UTC (link)
*writes rape fic about everyone in that forum*

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(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2005-10-18 08:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamtoday, 2005-10-18 08:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2005-10-18 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hickorydickory, 2005-10-19 06:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2005-10-19 11:36 am UTC

[info]doomsday
2005-10-18 09:03 pm UTC (link)
It was dumb of the original author to come to the board in the first place, and to perpetuate the wank and not understand what GAFF was all about, but I don't see her being really wanky. I definitely wouldn't be that polite if someone wished gang rape on me! Her email seemed pretty diplomatic to me, even if she made blanket statements about sexuality. I mean, lots of people have rape fantasies, so I think the Gaffers are being hypocrites when they say she shouldn't make blanket statements and then that no one would enjoy a rape. I'm sure there are people who would get off on someone tying them up and attempting to pleasure them with a gun, even if they weren't into it from the beginning. It's what makes the world go round. Especially for an anime/manga, I don't think this is all that shocking; I bet there are tons of Trigun rape fantasy doujinshis out there.

BarnabisFrid, otoh, is a total wanky moron. I'm hoping those other 9 tattoos are in strategic places that will scare away any potential suitors so that s/he does not help perpetuate the species.

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(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2005-10-18 09:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2005-10-18 10:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2005-10-18 10:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2005-10-18 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2005-10-18 11:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2005-10-19 12:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2005-10-19 11:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2005-10-19 12:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sadisticferret, 2005-10-19 02:54 am UTC
(no subject) - lonesomepudding, 2005-10-19 03:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sadisticferret, 2005-10-19 03:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2005-10-20 05:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sadisticferret, 2005-10-20 10:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2005-10-19 03:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2005-10-19 11:48 am UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2005-10-19 03:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2005-10-19 08:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2005-10-19 12:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sadisticferret, 2005-10-19 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2005-10-19 09:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-10-19 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2005-10-19 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-10-19 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2005-10-19 09:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - lonesomepudding, 2005-10-19 08:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2005-10-19 03:17 am UTC
Rather Off Topic Clarification - [info]skewed_tartan, 2005-10-19 08:56 am UTC
Re: Rather Off Topic Clarification - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-10-19 09:40 pm UTC
Re: Rather Off Topic Clarification - [info]kannaophelia, 2005-10-20 01:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]v_digitalwytch, 2005-10-19 02:46 pm UTC

[info]tao_tao
2005-10-18 10:18 pm UTC (link)
evilmouse apparently completely misses ...snip... the point that some of the other posters there were trying to make about real rape being a distinctly different thing than "romance rape."

If she does then why does the e-mail in her first post include this:

... "Fantasy" being the key word...people don't honestly want to be raped, but many do want to feel loss of control and that is basically what fan fic is...fantasy.

Personally I have the impression she is the only one who doesn't completely miss the point of everything there.
What a bunch of idiots.

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(no subject) - lonesomepudding, 2005-10-19 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tao_tao, 2005-10-19 02:22 am UTC

[info]steelfaerie
2005-10-19 12:17 am UTC (link)
Being named Meryl, I find it peculiar to see it paired with gunraping in pretty much any context. x.x

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lonesomepudding
2005-10-19 01:03 am UTC (link)
I do see a few people taking offense to how I worded my post. To be expected.

Personally, I have some pretty "wanky" opinions about "rape-fantasy" and "romance rape" fics. I think they're dumb, sick, and on some level, wrong. No amount of arguing with me is going to make me change my opinion, I'm afraid. I'm one of those GAFFERs who think Rape=/=Love and am quick to spork fics with that whenever I see them. I don't have much respect for rapefic authors. However, these are my opinions, to which I am entitled. More "open-minded" people are entitled to think I'm stupid for having them. Fine. I'm just one of the many who doesn't find rapefic tasteful. Different people have different fanfic tastes, and everyone is free to criticise one another's tastes/genres/plot devices.

(Yet, I also conceed that a good author can make anything believeable. I guess I've just never come across a rape-fantasy fic that actually made it beliveable to me) *Shrug* Then again, I'm not much for "smut" or even romance in the first place.

However, I never have EVER, nor would I, EVER, wish for a rapefic author to get raped themself. That's when "prudishness" and "wanky fandom attitude" just crosses the line. Wishing gang rape on people is beyond dumb.

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[info]msmanna
2005-10-19 01:38 am UTC (link)
Aww! Evilmouse is a sweetheart, and remarkably patient. Way more patient that I would've been.

Every time I read something at GAFF, I end up with an urge to make them hot chocolate and put on some soothing music. People over there do seem to get so very tense about things.

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(no subject) - [info]tao_tao, 2005-10-19 02:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ruby_tuesday, 2005-10-19 04:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-10-20 12:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2005-10-20 12:38 am UTC
On the other hand - (Anonymous), 2005-10-20 05:40 am UTC

[info]badger
2005-10-19 04:38 am UTC (link)
Actually, what we initially took issue with was her deciding to wank about our GAFFing of her story in a thread that was totally unrelated to her story. It did get mentioned (by me, because it's not every day you see Meryl getting raped by Wolfwood with a gun while tied to the cross punisher), but the wank on that story was an entirely different thread. If she's going to complain, she should really complain in the proper thread.

Barnabas Frid just amused me. The fact that she claims to be 31 and Jewish, but is also madly in love with Hitler and is writing a lemon about him, qualifies as a whole new level of WTF in and of itself.

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(no subject) - [info]number13baby, 2005-10-19 06:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]badger, 2005-10-19 06:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]number13baby, 2005-10-20 11:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tao_tao, 2005-10-19 02:35 pm UTC

[info]ruby_tuesday
2005-10-19 04:45 am UTC (link)
I have written and enjoyed rapefic. I have enjoyed fantasizing about FICTIONAL CHARACTERS being raped. I have [TMI] gotten off to stories about fictional people being raped [/TMI]. That does NOT mean that I equate real-life rape with love. But I guess I deserved to get gangraped now anyway.

I would never, EVER wish rape on anyone in real life. I think that rape is horrible and wish nobody ever had to go through it in real life.

But the thing is, fiction isn't real life. Characters are not real people. And wishing gangrape on a real, flesh-and-blood person because they wrote a story that you're squicked by is just stupid.

Meryl is not real. Meryl cannot actually be hurt by anything in the story. It's all fantasy.

Yeah, the fic author was still being kind of wanky to miss the point of GAFF like that, I'm not denying that, but I think the GAFFers were wankier. I can't fathom wishing rape on someone just because they have a kink you don't get.

Fiction =/= real life, people. Think rapefic is silly or squicky if you want. Mock badfic if you want. Think people who react to GAFF like that are lame or babyish if you want. But do NOT wish actual harm to real people because of something they wrote about a fictional character or a fantasy they have. Don't wish actual rape on any real-life people, period.

Okay, I'm done now. I hope that made sense. Any sense at all.

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(no subject) - [info]angstymcgoth, 2005-10-19 05:43 am UTC
O_o - [info]snarky_bix, 2005-10-19 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2005-10-19 11:53 am UTC

dracothelizard
2005-10-19 11:29 am UTC (link)
What's going on with everybody calling Evilmouse a wannabe-man? That's just one of the things I don't get, but I REALLY don't get it.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-10-20 01:57 pm UTC

 
   
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