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Birdy ([info]skewed_tartan) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-10-24 22:48:00


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Current mood:Flippant
Entry tags:anime/manga, illegality, internet lawyers, sub vs. dub

Fansubbing vs. Official Subbing, Where Does it End?!
Open a debate of Fan subs vs. Offcial Subs on any public forum and you're guarnteed wank. However things really don't start to heat up until page two.

Someone just has to bring up ambigious legal staus of fansubbing, and starts the wank.

You're an ungrateful bastard for not paying for anime!, posted by the OP, who at first was tolerant of fansubbing. Wank changes people fast.

It appears fansubbing's legality is open to interpetation.

"End of argument" if only.

Its Illegal!, no its not, and in fact they are often of good quality.

On page four we are subjected to a rousing legal debate where our wankers clearly use all of their education to argue whether or not its legal to translate a Japanese cartoon for hobby reasons. I love the internet.

Oh no! I'm being threatened!

Anime is NOT a fad!, wank spawns more wank.


Jack Thompson comparsion is called up. That guy needs his own law, he's getting as popular as Hitler in arguments nowadays.

Put a spork in me, I'm done!




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(Anonymous)
2005-10-25 08:25 am UTC (link)
Ahhh, yay! Here we go again. *rolls eyes* I love Internet lawyers.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-25 08:25 am UTC (link)
Ahhh, yay! Here we go again. *rolls eyes* I love Internet lawyers.

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[info]wordsgate
2005-10-25 08:39 am UTC (link)
This wank hurts...despite what people say subbing will always be there, as illegal downloads have always been there. Even when it's illegal. Get over it, like it or dislike it.

Wry.

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[info]annepackrat
2005-10-25 09:00 am UTC (link)
It's illegal, there's no question about it. Most companies just don't choose to enforce it.

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(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-10-25 11:56 am UTC
A fan's opinion - [info]beccastareyes, 2005-10-25 12:35 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]phosfate, 2005-10-25 03:47 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]lanjelin, 2005-10-25 03:52 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]phosfate, 2005-10-25 03:59 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]lanjelin, 2005-10-25 04:19 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]caoilte, 2005-10-25 07:08 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]nekoneko, 2005-10-25 08:56 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]hristaesir, 2005-10-25 11:58 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]chibikaijuu, 2005-10-26 01:29 am UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]beccastareyes, 2005-10-25 04:05 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]cairea, 2005-10-25 06:36 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]beccastareyes, 2005-10-25 06:41 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]cairea, 2005-10-25 06:54 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - (Anonymous), 2005-10-25 11:12 pm UTC
Re: A fan's opinion - [info]sgtgeorgecarter, 2005-10-26 04:48 am UTC

[info]pokecheck
2005-10-25 09:02 am UTC (link)
But...but...where else am I supposed to get my high-quality Naruto filler episodes?

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[info]kalika_maxwell
2005-10-25 09:11 am UTC (link)
It occurs to me that everything I do is illegal. Download anime, download jrock, write fanfics, buy dirty doujinshi...

I'm such a hardcore criminal, yo. I'm probably dangerous too, fear me.

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(no subject) - [info]expeliarbum, 2005-10-25 12:42 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2005-10-25 05:21 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]marumae, 2005-10-25 06:10 pm UTC
Arr, matey. - [info]monkeywrench, 2005-10-25 07:11 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-10-25 09:39 am UTC (link)
Uh...right.

Downloading any anime IS illegal. Downloading it when it's licensed is just doubly illegal, because chances are this time a company is more likely to come after you.

I wouldn't exactly say you're an "ungrateful bastard" for not paying for anime - but if it's licensed and you still choosed to download it, that IS stealing, and I guess you get the "satisfaction" of knowing that not only are you helping to discourage western anime distributors, but you're also helping to push the price of legal anime up for everyone else. The industry needs support, or it's never going to become more common, and more cheap.

But downloading it is illegal, end of story. I myself download anime when it's not available in the west yet (I can't really say "my country", or I'd end up downloading everything :p) or as a sample; but I buy it if it's licensed and I like it.

Can't afford to buy legal anime? Shame. But you wouldn't go into a shop and steal jewellery or computer games just because you 'couldn't afford them' - so either save up, or go without before you start getting all morally righteous.

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boohoohoohoo i'm almone in my righteousness, somebody give me a blowjob! - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2005-10-25 05:24 pm UTC
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[info]dragonkit
2005-10-25 09:56 am UTC (link)
I don't care if it's illegal. I'm not paying 30$ a dvd for four/five episodes. Especially if I don't know anything about the series. So when I get a boxtorrent or download weekly for an anime and I really like the series, maybe, maybe I'll pay out some money for them.

I could just buy some DVD+rs and burn away every series/movie that I liked.
Oh wait that's what I do. :)

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[info]scootermcgaffin
2005-10-25 11:37 am UTC (link)
Must resist temptation to go in and say "I prefer the dub!" Must...resist...temptation!

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(no subject) - [info]lanjelin, 2005-10-25 11:01 pm UTC

[info]adora_spintriae
2005-10-25 11:58 am UTC (link)
Um, excuse me, but shut the hell up.

Does the thought of someone actually saying this out loud in a conversation amuse anyone else, or have I just drunk too much cider?

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[info]caoilte
2005-10-25 12:04 pm UTC (link)
*rolls eyes at the entire thing, as most ppl already know where I stand on this from the last wank*

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[info]expeliarbum
2005-10-25 12:39 pm UTC (link)
I was trying to make a point that some illegal things are for the better.

Er... okay.

And yes, I download my anime. Living in a small country where most of the stuff isn't available to buy on DVD (or it's 6.02*10^23 expensive)... yeah.That's the beauty of the internet after all. That and the free porn

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[info]made_by_kali
2005-10-25 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Fer fucks sake lads and lasses, downloadin' anime wit'out paying for it is stealing. Just get in touch w'yer piratey self and admit that.

Mmmmm stolen goods. I don't even feel bad about downloading things I never intended to buy in the first place. (Says the girl who asked for $70 PGSM DVDs for X-Mas)

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(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2005-10-25 05:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2005-10-25 06:32 pm UTC

[info]aerobot
2005-10-25 02:03 pm UTC (link)
And here we go again.

~/o It's the ciiircleeee ... of WAAAAAANNKK ... o\~

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-25 02:07 pm UTC (link)
I think this argument has led to one very important conclusion - Bit Torrent is now the Official Tool of Evil!

(And if you know not Bit Torrent, I know not how you pirate.)

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(no subject) - [info]tardis, 2005-10-25 04:34 pm UTC
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[info]tenma
2005-10-25 02:26 pm UTC (link)
I hate these debates, it's not like anyone is going to say "You're right! I should buy the dvds, I'll go off and buy them now!"

I download my anime, and if anime suddenly wasn't available to download I still wouldn't buy the dvds. I only watch the shows once, I'm not spending what little money I have after paying my bills on an overpriced dvd.

That's the part people debating this never seem to understand, if there wasn't fansubs it doesn't mean more people would buy anime.

Why doesn't this debate run over to our tv shows? I rarely see people complaining about others downloading Lost episodes when they're going to be on DVD at some point, it's the same thing!

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(no subject) - [info]sgtgeorgecarter, 2005-10-26 05:04 am UTC

[info]qwertyuiop
2005-10-25 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Oh Jesus, this topic has become so pointless. Yes technically, downloading anime without paying for it is illegal, but people don't care and do it anyway. There is no need for anyone to get on a high horse and crow about it, because really people don't change their minds.

Now I don't like downloading personally, just because I never seem to be able to, and I don't like putting a lot of stuff on my computer, so I will buy it. Yes this means I won't see as much as the people who constantly download or be as up to date with a series, but I don't care. That isn't important me, but it is to some people, so they should really just lay off.

My conclusion, both sides need to STFU!

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2005-10-25 03:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - hereforthewank, 2005-10-25 05:53 pm UTC

[info]lanjelin
2005-10-25 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Well, you can't really demand anything from fansubbers, since they do it because they like the show, I guess. You just have to find out who's good, and since several anime are being translated by more than one group, the competition might raise the quality of the translation?

I don't know, I just watched The Slayers and its sequels with the official sub, and i wasn't too thrilled about it. Too many instances of the subs not actually translating what was being said...

I guess I've gotten used to the fansub way of using as much text as needed to explain, and not caring if people has time to read them or not, heh.

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(no subject) - [info]alecto, 2005-10-25 08:43 pm UTC
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[info]senor_pinata
2005-10-25 05:48 pm UTC (link)
I just want to know where the people who cry about DVDs costing thirty bucks buy their anime. I can think of at least two places where I can get them for less than twenty before taxes, and another that has them that cheap the first week they come out.

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Word. - (Anonymous), 2005-10-26 02:57 am UTC

[info]greenglass
2005-10-25 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Stolen anime feels extra good when watching it.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-25 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Fwee, moral righteousness right and left, and I give a shit.

Yes, downloading is stealing. No denying that. But we're all getting our anime, right? Well?

Then please, just sit down, shut up, and enjoy.

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[info]das_mervin
2005-10-25 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Internet lawyers + Anime = WANK. EXTREME.

Actually, Anime + anything = WANK, almost 99% of the time. Which is why I am not really involved in my Anime fandoms--the three I have, anyway. And I only like higher Anime--NO FROG EYES AND SMALL/BIG MOUTHS FOR ME, THANK YOU.

Were internet lawyers big stuff before dearest little vance, or did he start this new trend? 'Fraid I'm new to these places--someone care to explain? :)

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shirokumo
2005-10-25 09:19 pm UTC (link)
I love watching the stupid in their natural environment. :D

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[info]palefire
2005-10-25 10:25 pm UTC (link)
http://palefire.homestead.com/files/notthis.jpg

The Fansub debate just brings the wank, doesn't it? Even more than the Sub vs. Dub debate.

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[info]annabelle_lee
2005-10-26 05:21 am UTC (link)
Oh god, not this again.

That's it, I'm building a bunker, stashing it with forty years of food, illegally downloaded anime, and mp3s, and will not be coming up until everyone can learn not to bring up the sub/dub debate. No one with an IQ less than 100 is invited to come with me.

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