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And they just keep going
Well, there they go again….
Over at Fanthropology the skolerz of phandum are at it again. This time one PurplePopple queries how one can teach 14 years olds to write OMG Teh Speshul Slash Pr0n. Obvious hand-brain disconnect there. Hand, meet Brain. Learn to work in tandem. It's good for everyone.
But too late since Skrike , seemingly a part of the Triple Sooper Sekret Anti-Fic Cabal jumps all over this one like a dog on a pork chop. The minions all chime in and it’s one grand Kumbayah of outrage . Small, tidy, neatly contained bit of outraged piety, until.
Everybody’s favorite writer Lee Goldberg ! Picks up the trail, thereby treating us to another bit’o’splooge and the renewal of what seems to be his very personal mano-a-mano vendetta-rama with one of the skolerz.
Sorry but this wank deserved to happen. Methinks Remedial STFU 101 is in order at the top of this wank chain. Please stop feeding the innocent plebes out there!
Update...Bahleetion
yadda yadda TL:DR
purplepopple: Teaching a 14 year old to write m/m slash
Written in response to a question from a 14 year old friend on how to
teach other 14 year olds how to write better m/m slash (mostly of the
Good Charlotte variety). X-Posted to purplepopple
So how do you make a fourteen year old write better fan fiction? More
important, according to a fourteen year old acquaintance, how do you
make your fourteen year olds write better m/m slash?
----
In a survey of FanDomination.Net users, roughly ninety percent of
respondents who claimed to be born in or before 1987 said they read
adult material. In a separate survey, thirty percent of respondents
indicated that they learned about sex education from reading fan
fiction.
WTF???
Still, that information gives us a starting a point, a place to begin
to ask the question of how can we make this group of young writers into
better m/m slash writers.
... Sex and intimacy, important components of slash and
good slash. Another component is fan fiction, m/m slash culture. The
last component, and possibly the most important one, is putting all of
that stuff together.
How can we teach our young m/m slash writing fen how to master the
mechanics? There are a couple of ways to do this and none of them
include beating young authors over the head with Strunk and Whites. One
way involves memes. Another involves author notes and books.
Mechanics??? Heh heh heh
But hot damned, how do you teach a person to write in character? How do
you teach your teenage m/m slash fan to write in character in the
context of a story involving two guys going at it? There are two
options that come immediately to mind.
do they need to learn how to spell “yessssssss please Draco, more!”
One of the things that I always enjoyed was discussing subtext, making
a game of it in trying to spot it. If you just pair to random guys
together because OH MY GAWD! TEH HAWT!, then characterization may
suffer and the story will suffer along with it. Find instances that
seem subtextual, where there is that vibe of hey, they might want to
screw each other, desire each other, there might be something more than
just friendship or antagonism.
So you have to show where Harry bats his lashes before they go at it? I guess so
… and hey, it might help you with that story you’re writing. Because
Wow! Ron! He rocks! And I love understanding him more!” Yes, squee and
squee with a purpose. We can learn through things when we don’t intend
to and squeeing adds a whole fun layer to that learning through osmosis
thing.
Puhleeeze… Its lots of fun to write about teh butt secks, lets have a Jamboree!
Plug. Plug. Plug some more.
kink-aaaaay
Another thing is create paper handouts. These you can snail mail to
your friends, distribute at conventions, include as a supplement to
fanzines.
Yay! Can we sniff the mimeograph fluid too???
Still, this doesn’t really address how to write sex scenes better and
books can only do so much. The next thing to do is create general rec
lists of stories featuring m/m sex scenes. To cover your butt legally,
make sure the story ratings and contents are spelled out and don’t
explicitly label your rec list as “Read these teenage writers! Read
them and behold the writing of good m/m slashy sex scenes that will
make you wet! Yeah!” Try for something a bit more subdued and less
obvious. You get good examples out there and no one needs to be the
wiser that you have ulterior motives of teaching the teeny fangirls how
to become better m/m slash writers.
yes, dear…spell out how it’s done….Hand, please meet brain
enter randomnumber321
Reply
Tue, Nov. 1st, 2005, 11:04 pm
randomnumber321: NO!
No.
No no no no NO.
Jesus, all the time fanficcers spend trying to explain to the loonies
out there that this is strictly a hobby made by adults for adults, all
the time we spend kicking kids off our newsgroups and blocking them
from our boards, and here you trot in behaving like its a normal,
acceptable practice for an *adult* to teach a minor how to write sex
scenes?
Jesus Christ, get off my side, you're making my side look batshit!
Thread - Reply
Tue, Nov. 1st, 2005, 11:23 pm
purplepopple: Re: NO!
Right. And you quote where I advocated exactly that. If you'd taken
the time to read it, you'd have realized I advocated no such thing.
ok…..
Wed, Nov. 2nd, 2005, 01:04 am
purplepopple: Re: NO!
I collect demographic information on fandom. The ages in some places
of fandom is low.
lab rats? Who, us?
My little Good Charlote fen write m/m. A lot of them write sexually
explicit m/m. They don't see a problem with it and really resent the
idea that adults should restrict access to it to protect them. If
anyone has a problem with it, it is between them and their parent.
and this proves what?
Wed, Nov. 2nd, 2005, 01:27 am
randomnumber321: Re: NO!
The ages in some places of fandom is low.
And I'm supposed to care that they resent the restriction, why? Kids
also resent that we don't let them drink at 16. That doesn't mean we
should allow it. It's the nature of teenagers to be resentful and
rebellious. Restrictions are in place because their ability to reason
and make good decisions are not fully developed at that age. Most
intelligent people realize this.
If anyone has a problem with it, it is between them and their parent.
And the nice lady on the internet giving them directions. :-/ Sparky,
it's your ass, not mine. If you want to keep chatting up your teenies
about anal sex, have at it. Just don't cry foul when mom or dad finds
your e-mail to their kid and pops an artery over it.
and Bahleetion!
. Nicely spliced for your convenience..just the good bits...not the Strunk and White...
Well, there they go again….
Over at Fanthropology the skolerz of phandum are at it again. This time one PurplePopple queries how one can teach 14 years olds to write OMG Teh Speshul Slash Pr0n. Obvious hand-brain disconnect there. Hand, meet Brain. Learn to work in tandem. It's good for everyone.
But too late since Skrike , seemingly a part of the Triple Sooper Sekret Anti-Fic Cabal jumps all over this one like a dog on a pork chop. The minions all chime in and it’s one grand Kumbayah of outrage . Small, tidy, neatly contained bit of outraged piety, until.
Everybody’s favorite writer Lee Goldberg ! Picks up the trail, thereby treating us to another bit’o’splooge and the renewal of what seems to be his very personal mano-a-mano vendetta-rama with one of the skolerz.
Sorry but this wank deserved to happen. Methinks Remedial STFU 101 is in order at the top of this wank chain. Please stop feeding the innocent plebes out there!
Update...Bahleetion
yadda yadda TL:DR
purplepopple: Teaching a 14 year old to write m/m slash
Written in response to a question from a 14 year old friend on how to
teach other 14 year olds how to write better m/m slash (mostly of the
Good Charlotte variety). X-Posted to purplepopple
So how do you make a fourteen year old write better fan fiction? More
important, according to a fourteen year old acquaintance, how do you
make your fourteen year olds write better m/m slash?
----
In a survey of FanDomination.Net users, roughly ninety percent of
respondents who claimed to be born in or before 1987 said they read
adult material. In a separate survey, thirty percent of respondents
indicated that they learned about sex education from reading fan
fiction.
WTF???
Still, that information gives us a starting a point, a place to begin
to ask the question of how can we make this group of young writers into
better m/m slash writers.
... Sex and intimacy, important components of slash and
good slash. Another component is fan fiction, m/m slash culture. The
last component, and possibly the most important one, is putting all of
that stuff together.
How can we teach our young m/m slash writing fen how to master the
mechanics? There are a couple of ways to do this and none of them
include beating young authors over the head with Strunk and Whites. One
way involves memes. Another involves author notes and books.
Mechanics??? Heh heh heh
But hot damned, how do you teach a person to write in character? How do
you teach your teenage m/m slash fan to write in character in the
context of a story involving two guys going at it? There are two
options that come immediately to mind.
do they need to learn how to spell “yessssssss please Draco, more!”
One of the things that I always enjoyed was discussing subtext, making
a game of it in trying to spot it. If you just pair to random guys
together because OH MY GAWD! TEH HAWT!, then characterization may
suffer and the story will suffer along with it. Find instances that
seem subtextual, where there is that vibe of hey, they might want to
screw each other, desire each other, there might be something more than
just friendship or antagonism.
So you have to show where Harry bats his lashes before they go at it? I guess so
… and hey, it might help you with that story you’re writing. Because
Wow! Ron! He rocks! And I love understanding him more!” Yes, squee and
squee with a purpose. We can learn through things when we don’t intend
to and squeeing adds a whole fun layer to that learning through osmosis
thing.
Puhleeeze… Its lots of fun to write about teh butt secks, lets have a Jamboree!
Plug. Plug. Plug some more.
kink-aaaaay
Another thing is create paper handouts. These you can snail mail to
your friends, distribute at conventions, include as a supplement to
fanzines.
Yay! Can we sniff the mimeograph fluid too???
Still, this doesn’t really address how to write sex scenes better and
books can only do so much. The next thing to do is create general rec
lists of stories featuring m/m sex scenes. To cover your butt legally,
make sure the story ratings and contents are spelled out and don’t
explicitly label your rec list as “Read these teenage writers! Read
them and behold the writing of good m/m slashy sex scenes that will
make you wet! Yeah!” Try for something a bit more subdued and less
obvious. You get good examples out there and no one needs to be the
wiser that you have ulterior motives of teaching the teeny fangirls how
to become better m/m slash writers.
yes, dear…spell out how it’s done….Hand, please meet brain
enter randomnumber321
Reply
Tue, Nov. 1st, 2005, 11:04 pm
randomnumber321: NO!
No.
No no no no NO.
Jesus, all the time fanficcers spend trying to explain to the loonies
out there that this is strictly a hobby made by adults for adults, all
the time we spend kicking kids off our newsgroups and blocking them
from our boards, and here you trot in behaving like its a normal,
acceptable practice for an *adult* to teach a minor how to write sex
scenes?
Jesus Christ, get off my side, you're making my side look batshit!
Thread - Reply
Tue, Nov. 1st, 2005, 11:23 pm
purplepopple: Re: NO!
Right. And you quote where I advocated exactly that. If you'd taken
the time to read it, you'd have realized I advocated no such thing.
ok…..
Wed, Nov. 2nd, 2005, 01:04 am
purplepopple: Re: NO!
I collect demographic information on fandom. The ages in some places
of fandom is low.
lab rats? Who, us?
My little Good Charlote fen write m/m. A lot of them write sexually
explicit m/m. They don't see a problem with it and really resent the
idea that adults should restrict access to it to protect them. If
anyone has a problem with it, it is between them and their parent.
and this proves what?
Wed, Nov. 2nd, 2005, 01:27 am
randomnumber321: Re: NO!
The ages in some places of fandom is low.
And I'm supposed to care that they resent the restriction, why? Kids
also resent that we don't let them drink at 16. That doesn't mean we
should allow it. It's the nature of teenagers to be resentful and
rebellious. Restrictions are in place because their ability to reason
and make good decisions are not fully developed at that age. Most
intelligent people realize this.
If anyone has a problem with it, it is between them and their parent.
And the nice lady on the internet giving them directions. :-/ Sparky,
it's your ass, not mine. If you want to keep chatting up your teenies
about anal sex, have at it. Just don't cry foul when mom or dad finds
your e-mail to their kid and pops an artery over it.
and Bahleetion!
. Nicely spliced for your convenience..just the good bits...not the Strunk and White...
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