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tardis ([info]tardis) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-11-02 20:01:00


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Holy Crusaders to End Ghost Slash
Stolen from a mouse at [info]wank_report Original report here.

This is regarding the Danny Phantom fandom over at Butch Hartman's forum

The moderators have a Holy Mission: Butch does not like slash or pr0n, therefore, all of these artists must be destroyed. The moderators have been going around, suspending people for "explicit" or slash fanart. This is a fairly tame fandom, one of the pictures in question was a kiss. Also, the moderators do not like anyone linking to a deviantArt account, because the art there could be explicit.

The moderators send emails to said sodomites: (copied from flocked lj comm post, with permission)
We have reviewed your DA content and are questioning your status as an actual fan of Butch Hartman. He has made his opinions of "slash" on his characters clearly known. See this link for the relevant annoucement on his forum: http://butchhartman.com/forumIII/index.php?showtopic=2041

The DPOF have been following along with his decree and have banned numerous individuals associated with slash, in accordance with his wishes. We will not support the defamation of any of Butch's characters in any way, even if that means cutting folks off from our forums.

We are not here to convert or to force people out of doing what makes them happy, we are here to show our support for Butch. This means removing our association with people who draw (or write) material that would, in his own opinion, damage his reputation.

We know most of your work is fine, and what DP slash you do have is very mild, which is why we are sending this PM instead of outright banning you. Regardless, Butch has made it clear his position on this matter.

Can we please get your honest and sincere opinion on where you stand on this issue? We need to make some decisions about whether it is in our and Butch's best interest to maintain your account on the forums.

Sincerely,
The DPOF Administration Team


Others get more stern messages:
Your member account at Danny Phantom Online Forums has been banned indefinitely.

In accordance with Butch Hartman's decree, for having ties with communities that support artwork of Danny Phantom where he is portrayed in a sexually explicit manner, we of the DPOF have come to the decision where we must separate you from our own. When you decide to treat the show in a manner it deserves, we shall welcome you back.

That's right, repent son, and you shall be welcomes back into the light.


This all spills over into other places.

Edited to remove the offending picture! It's dirty so it must be garbage! Eww! And Georgia O'Keefe's flowers offend me as well!


She's not going to take it! She's going to lick Butch Hartman's shoes! The mods come and defend their decisions, waving Butch Hartman's Internet Lawyers all over the place.
Also, OP is indeed a Slasher:

I have nothing against slash in and of itself. Heck, I look at and enjoy original slash. I do, however, have issues with disrespect to the creator and the creator's wishes. That is my point, here. Butch Hartman has made it clear that he does not approve of slash using his characters.


The "True Fans" create a deviantArt group

All DP fanartists and fanart are allowed in the club as long as they meet the requirements listed below:

- Member's gallery does not contain slash, shounen-ai, shoujo-ai, yaoi, yuri, softcore or hardcore pornography or any other mature works
- Submissions do not contain mature content
- Submissions promote the show respectfully

So....that picture I drew of Danny Phantom RAPING DEAD KITTENS WHILE BUTCH HARTMAN WATCHES AND CHILDREN CRY IN THE CORNER isn't really what they had in mind?


Why can't we all be like Star Wars and ignore what the creator says anyway.

ETA: Fans at El-Jay talk about it more here.

ETA2: Don't you love it when the wank comes to us? Psst... mice, your IPs are showing. (Eta3) And it comes again. This wank has that stale mouse-wank taste. Yum.



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[info]kadath
2005-11-03 06:07 am UTC (link)
Why can't we all be like Star Wars and ignore what the creator says anyway.

You don't earn that right until he fucks with you for a quarter of a century, sorry.

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(no subject) - [info]aycelcus, 2005-11-03 06:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aycelcus, 2005-11-03 06:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wrongly_amused, 2005-11-03 06:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kraken_sleeps, 2005-11-03 10:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2005-11-03 03:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-11-03 04:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-11-04 10:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2005-11-03 06:55 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-08 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-11-03 12:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2005-11-04 07:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-11-04 07:10 am UTC

[info]aycelcus
2005-11-03 06:13 am UTC (link)
Odd that for such a slash-lover as myself, I have never had the urge to slash Danny Phantom except with some big ghost who does naughty things in the ghost realm since it's such a tame little show. It's cute.

*dances to the theme song*

And surely Butch must realise, that with or against his wishes (perfectly valid ones at that) Deviant Art will spawn the slash. ComeON... look at the name! Deviant! Isn't that a clue?

May his forums be slash free. And may those who want the slash make thier own forum. Why all the drama?

Course, without the drama, what would we mock?

Go wank!

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(no subject) - [info]tardis, 2005-11-03 06:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kirapgelfling, 2005-11-03 08:46 am UTC

[info]qwertyuiop
2005-11-03 06:16 am UTC (link)
Wasn't whitegryphon involved in another wank about slash? Or is that someone else completely? All these rabid anti-slash people begin to melt together after awhile.

Intelligent slash, now there's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one.

What does it mean for fic to be intelligent anyway? Is there test, like a fanfic IQ or something?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 06:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2005-11-03 09:44 am UTC

[info]elektra3
2005-11-03 06:35 am UTC (link)
We have reviewed your DA content and are questioning your status as an actual fan of Butch Hartman.

What, there's a True Fan performance review?

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(no subject) - [info]tardis, 2005-11-03 06:44 am UTC

[info]amxjm
2005-11-03 06:53 am UTC (link)
deviantArt, explicit? Bitch, please.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2005-11-03 06:56 am UTC (link)
ZOMG OPPRESSION.

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[info]annabelle_lee
2005-11-03 06:58 am UTC (link)
For all this bitching about DP slash, there isn't a bit of it in sight. Did they hide it all on me again? Even the Dash/Danny?

Now I'm cross.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 07:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-11-03 07:53 am UTC

[info]aerobot
2005-11-03 07:01 am UTC (link)
"INFIDELS! WE DECLARE JIHAD AGAINST THOSE WHO DEFY THE WILL OF BUTCH HARTMAN! WE SHALL PURGE THE FANDOM OF THE INFIDELS WHO DESCECRATE THE HOLY DANNY PHANTOM! AH-LI-LI-LI-LI-LI-LI!!"

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(no subject) - [info]damien, 2005-11-03 08:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2005-11-03 02:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2005-11-03 04:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]damien, 2005-11-03 11:22 pm UTC

[info]iczer6
2005-11-03 07:09 am UTC (link)
I can't help but wonder if Butch Hartman actually said that.

The links lead to post by an admin who claims that Mr. Hartman told him about his dislike of slash so I'm a little wary.

I can't help but recall a poster who claimed that JK Rowling didn't like gay people because her friend's-cousin's-sister's-former roomate once said they overheard her saying so at a coffee shop somewhere.

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(no subject) - jenova, 2005-11-03 08:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sockospice, 2005-11-03 05:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]out_bottle, 2005-11-03 06:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-11-03 10:33 pm UTC

[info]kirapgelfling
2005-11-03 08:52 am UTC (link)
Something smells of fish-stink with the admin to me, too.

Provided the sentiment really is from Hartman, I can understand not wanting sexually explicit material in a G-Rated Forum, but these guys go so far as to no let people say "Oh my God," if the comments in the LJ post are truthful.

Those admins over there look like Mod Nazies. They certainly seem to like Bahleetion and Bannination

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2005-11-03 10:40 am UTC (link)
Because of course Butch Hartman animates ALL of Danny Phantom. By hand. In the dark. With a piece of charcoal.

Well come on, he has to do something when it's slow at the bar.

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(no subject) - [info]dark_puck, 2005-11-03 10:01 pm UTC

[info]omega
2005-11-03 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Ah, Deviant Art. Getting more deviant by the year. Only, you know, not.

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(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2005-11-03 04:42 pm UTC

[info]vanilla_tiger
2005-11-03 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm... I don't know Danny Phantom (watched one episode; didn't appeal) but Fairly Odd Parents is love, and pretty slashy. Chester and AJ are so married, which disturbs me since they're ten. And I can't be the only one who wants to see Chip Skylark/Skip Sparkypants* slash.

I need FOP icons.

*Who has no similarities at all to Justin Timberlake and whose character design is not at all related to the fact that Chris Kirkpatrick voices Chip.

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(no subject) - [info]byrne, 2005-11-03 03:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luckdragonfujur, 2005-11-03 04:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]octopedingenue, 2005-11-03 05:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vanilla_tiger, 2005-11-03 06:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oxydosic, 2005-11-03 11:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 11:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mathias, 2005-11-04 03:27 am UTC

dracothelizard
2005-11-03 02:54 pm UTC (link)
"In accordance with Butch Hartman's decree, for having ties with communities that support artwork of Danny Phantom where he is portrayed in a sexually explicit manner,"

Ah no, not more people who think that slash = romance!

"If you don't know what "slash" is I'm sorry... I can't explain. Let's just say it a place where people discuss issues, fan-fic and otherwise that is not in the best interest of Butch Hartman or his career."

Oh, wait, they're even MORE wrong about what they think slash is.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 11:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bakashinobi, 2005-11-04 12:57 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2005-11-04 02:11 pm UTC

[info]yubsie
2005-11-03 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Are they trying to be the TF.N of the Danny Phantom fandom?

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-03 08:24 pm UTC (link)
Why does everyone assume that people who are fourteen have never heard of sex, anyway?

Its the LEGAL age of consent where I live!

Why should we oppress Danny? He only wants love.

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(no subject) - [info]damien, 2005-11-03 11:23 pm UTC

[info]hristaesir
2005-11-03 09:02 pm UTC (link)
My favorite is the bit in the LJ wank wherein it is revealed that you are not allowed to talk about LOST in the Danny Phantom forums. Apparently because LOST is not rated G.

Yes.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 10:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ella_w, 2005-11-04 12:13 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-04 01:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tardis, 2005-11-04 04:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hristaesir, 2005-11-04 03:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2005-11-04 03:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2005-11-04 04:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2005-11-04 07:16 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-11-03 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Good to see that I'm not the only one who finds that forum way too restrictive.

I'm not into Danny Phantom, but I can tell you the same happens in the Fairly Odd Parents (or FOP) side of that forum. Not only acronyms like "OMG" are forbiden (yes, that's written on
Da rules (http://butchhartman.com/forumIII/index.php?showtopic=4052) ) and ask you to be extremely
careful using emoticons (http://butchhartman.com/forumIII/index.php?showtopic=281), you can't also post any links to ff.net or deviant.art.

They recently banned a girl for posting a fanfic where one character will appear pregnant in a later chapter,
and since pregnancy is a mature concept, therefore is not an appropriate topic for either art or writing there (http://butchhartman.com/forumIII/index.php?showtopic=4953&st=80)

That's not the first time they ban pregnancy, there was a very nice picture (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9990165/)
posted once that was erased (I'm not sure what happened to the artist) because it was "semi-erotic". Pleeease...

I'm writing a G-rated FOP fanfic that takes place in the future, but the mods told me to erase a scene where two characters kiss before posting it at the forum. Not only are they 18-years-old, it's not a slashy couple and the kiss is only metioned. But it wasn't considerated appropiate for the FOP forum anyway :P. I gave up and will stick with ff.net, thank you very much.

Man, my friends always call me a "conservative fangirl", but even I can tell that these guys need a life.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2005-11-04 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-11-04 10:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lara_luna, 2005-11-04 11:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2005-11-04 04:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lara_luna, 2005-11-04 11:39 pm UTC

[info]oxydosic
2005-11-03 11:15 pm UTC (link)
*uses slash icon just to piss them off*

We will not support the defamation of any of Butch's characters in any way

So gay = defaming? Or sex in general? Uh, oookay.

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[info]mathias
2005-11-04 02:32 am UTC (link)
There's more wank here: arguments of "True Fan" versus "the fake fans!" and such abound here. 120+ comments and going. The "offending picture" is one character giving a fairly non-sexual kiss to another.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23604154/

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-04 03:56 am UTC

[info]delarina
2005-11-04 05:57 am UTC (link)
And here I thought that both Danny Phantom and the Fairly Odd Parents were intentionally full of buttsex subtext. Huh. DP never struck me as a particularly homophobic show, what with all the GAY! in it. Danny and Tucker spooning? All those ghosts' obsessions with Danny? Please.

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[info]arson
2005-11-04 04:59 pm UTC (link)
I AM THE BOX GHOST

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(no subject) - [info]kirapgelfling, 2005-11-05 07:53 am UTC

[info]phosfate
2005-11-04 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Can we please get your honest and sincere opinion on where you stand on this issue? We need to make some decisions about whether it is in our and Butch's best interest to maintain your account on the forums.

Are you now, or have you ever been...

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[info]lillyv
2005-11-05 07:19 am UTC (link)
So...wait...you can't write Danny Phantom erotica AT ALL? Even if it's het? Or is it only slash erotica that's been banned?

'Cause if het erotica has been banned as well, I might as well not even START that Danny/Sam thing I've been thinking about.

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(no subject) - [info]supersyncspaz7, 2005-11-06 05:26 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-11-05 07:24 am UTC (link)
there's Danny Phantom slash out there? wow. I feel left out. :(

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