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tardis ([info]tardis) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-11-02 20:01:00


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Holy Crusaders to End Ghost Slash
Stolen from a mouse at [info]wank_report Original report here.

This is regarding the Danny Phantom fandom over at Butch Hartman's forum

The moderators have a Holy Mission: Butch does not like slash or pr0n, therefore, all of these artists must be destroyed. The moderators have been going around, suspending people for "explicit" or slash fanart. This is a fairly tame fandom, one of the pictures in question was a kiss. Also, the moderators do not like anyone linking to a deviantArt account, because the art there could be explicit.

The moderators send emails to said sodomites: (copied from flocked lj comm post, with permission)
We have reviewed your DA content and are questioning your status as an actual fan of Butch Hartman. He has made his opinions of "slash" on his characters clearly known. See this link for the relevant annoucement on his forum: http://butchhartman.com/forumIII/index.php?showtopic=2041

The DPOF have been following along with his decree and have banned numerous individuals associated with slash, in accordance with his wishes. We will not support the defamation of any of Butch's characters in any way, even if that means cutting folks off from our forums.

We are not here to convert or to force people out of doing what makes them happy, we are here to show our support for Butch. This means removing our association with people who draw (or write) material that would, in his own opinion, damage his reputation.

We know most of your work is fine, and what DP slash you do have is very mild, which is why we are sending this PM instead of outright banning you. Regardless, Butch has made it clear his position on this matter.

Can we please get your honest and sincere opinion on where you stand on this issue? We need to make some decisions about whether it is in our and Butch's best interest to maintain your account on the forums.

Sincerely,
The DPOF Administration Team


Others get more stern messages:
Your member account at Danny Phantom Online Forums has been banned indefinitely.

In accordance with Butch Hartman's decree, for having ties with communities that support artwork of Danny Phantom where he is portrayed in a sexually explicit manner, we of the DPOF have come to the decision where we must separate you from our own. When you decide to treat the show in a manner it deserves, we shall welcome you back.

That's right, repent son, and you shall be welcomes back into the light.


This all spills over into other places.

Edited to remove the offending picture! It's dirty so it must be garbage! Eww! And Georgia O'Keefe's flowers offend me as well!


She's not going to take it! She's going to lick Butch Hartman's shoes! The mods come and defend their decisions, waving Butch Hartman's Internet Lawyers all over the place.
Also, OP is indeed a Slasher:

I have nothing against slash in and of itself. Heck, I look at and enjoy original slash. I do, however, have issues with disrespect to the creator and the creator's wishes. That is my point, here. Butch Hartman has made it clear that he does not approve of slash using his characters.


The "True Fans" create a deviantArt group

All DP fanartists and fanart are allowed in the club as long as they meet the requirements listed below:

- Member's gallery does not contain slash, shounen-ai, shoujo-ai, yaoi, yuri, softcore or hardcore pornography or any other mature works
- Submissions do not contain mature content
- Submissions promote the show respectfully

So....that picture I drew of Danny Phantom RAPING DEAD KITTENS WHILE BUTCH HARTMAN WATCHES AND CHILDREN CRY IN THE CORNER isn't really what they had in mind?


Why can't we all be like Star Wars and ignore what the creator says anyway.

ETA: Fans at El-Jay talk about it more here.

ETA2: Don't you love it when the wank comes to us? Psst... mice, your IPs are showing. (Eta3) And it comes again. This wank has that stale mouse-wank taste. Yum.


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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 01:24 am UTC (link)
http://amyphantom.deviantart.com/journal/6971766/

WELL I GUESS ALL ANTI-FANS MUST BE 40-YEAR-OLDS HUH. Gawwrsh! Why do people have to say such OVERDRAMATIC MEAN THINGS? :(

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 05:14 am UTC (link)

Maybe it's just me, but I think that this story was made up, specially after reading the children's comments about that slash picture. They seem fake (or most likely what her nanny "interpreted" from them, in the case this story actually happened).

The fact that she was ready to flame the author of the picture, but doesn't want to give the link to the people who commented her entry is also... weird.

How long was she in the bathroom, BTW? If she managed to check all the thumbnails in that page and saw nothing "harmful", it must had taken a LONG time for a couple of seven-year-olds to see ALL the pictures and then find the slashy one.

And WTF was she thinking, letting a couple of seven-year-olds browse DEVIANT-art? Why not Nick's site?. If I were the twins' mother, I would had been so pissed off at her.

Finally: Girl, get a life. I'm not too fond of slash either, but I won't start a crusade on DeviantArt to stop it. If the creator wants to keep his forum free from it, it's his right, sure, because it's HIS site.

You can't control what's going on on the rest of Internet. If you don't like them, just avoid those sites and stick to your "True-Community" or the BH Forums. And if you want to "protect" the children, stick to those sites when you are supervising them, and don't leave them ALONE on a site that you already KNOW has mature-rated content.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 06:37 am UTC (link)
One does have to wonder just what sort of pic they found...

Here's something real life: where I live, more than a few kids have two mommies or two daddies. So my kids and those around here have grown up just taking that for granted, that families come in all sizes, as well as all colors.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 07:28 am UTC (link)
Pardon me, but I *am* the author of that journal.

And I assure you, that story is completely, 100 percent true. The only reason the link isn't there is because I was a) too startled by the twins' reaction to remember, and b) preoccupied with trying to console them.

ANd I was in the bathroom very shortly. Only two minutes at most. I have no idea how they managed to find that slash link, but I'm guessing that they either a) clicked on a picture which has a very misleading preview, (which, if it's true, I shall do more than just state my opinion, not flame, mind you. I don't attack people. I simply state my opinion in a very civilized manner. I will REPORT that moron to the authorities for purposefully misleading young kids to X-rated art using a seemingly innocent picture.) or b) checked out another fanartist's gallery.

You probably don't realize it, but kids are very internet-savvy these days. Clicking takes merely two seconds, doesn't it? I'm not surprised they traveled that fast in a matter of seconds, if option b is true.

Aaaaaaaaaand, finally, not everything on dA is bad. I didn't want to let the kids miss out on some of the greatest ones I ever saw. I was careful enough, if you didn't figure that out already, to check the gallery and make sure it didn't have anything that could be potentially harmful. I just happened to be wrong, and this happened. But I learned a lesson from this, and will avoid dA like the plague when babysitting. This is a one-time incident, but still a big learning experience for all of us.

Besides, Butch Hartman banned people from his forum simply for being *associated* with slash art on OTHER forums. That says a lot for us "crusaders" as you put it.

And actually, the joke's on the slashers and filth artists now. That's because one of my closest friends and fellow crusader has informed Butch of this, in a long letter averaging about 2,000 words. I expect a tornado on DeviantArt anywhere from a hour to a week from now. Go ahead and draw what you will. We'll find you, and we'll let Butch's wrath fall upon you.

And we will not show any more mercy.

~AmyPhantom

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 08:22 am UTC (link)
So you're going to report someone to the authorities for a drawing on the internet on a site that has butt-loads of pictures drawn like that, not only of that fandom, but of others as well?

I suggest you don't go to such extremes. Some slashers may be narrow-minded asses (I've met a few), but I suggest you actually talk to the artist before you do anything like that. For you all you know, they may listen and respect your wishes. Who in the hell knows.

BTW, posting a drawing up on the internet like that, on an art site, does NOT mean they're purposely misleading young kids to X-rated art (which, for some reason, I've noticed some people who hate this whole slashing concept even consider a simple, innocent kissing picture to be just as bad as fully showing things going on). Mistakes happen. It'd be nice to know that slashers aren't attacked about doing this "purposely" to anyone, because they're not.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-09 06:20 am UTC (link)
The other fandoms are none of my concern. ANd you're getting off the point with that. Maybe the creators of other shows don't mind such things. That's fine. I have no problem with that. But Butch isn't one of these people. THat's why I have a problem with what's been going on, and will be willing to report anyone who defies Butch's simple wish.

And we've TRIED to talk to the slashers. Some DID willingly defer, but others have stubbornly hold their ground. We've been trying to turn them for a long time, but they just don't want to be turned. Don't assume that we went to extremes the first time we saw these. We've been trying to talk to the artists for quite some time now.

And sometimes, it's hard to tell the difference between intent and accident. I HAVE known quite a few predators who draw such things, and then encourage others, particularly very young kids, to do the same. SO I'm wary.

~Amy Phantom

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 08:25 am UTC (link)
"We'll find you, and we'll let Butch's wrath fall upon you."

...I love how all of you seem to keep Butch in such high regards, as if he's a god of some sort. Sure as hell sounds like you guys are, saying something like that.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-09 06:12 am UTC (link)
Ever heard the term "Respect thy fellow artist"?

Butch is a fellow artist. Are you respecting him if you draw such things?

~Amy Phantom

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 08:31 am UTC (link)
"I will REPORT that moron to the authorities for purposefully misleading young kids to X-rated art using a seemingly innocent picture."

Oh, hahaaha. That's great, *wipes tears* You think they're ALL intentionally trying to corrupt kids' minds. I'm sure you can get into their minds and confirm that?

"Besides, Butch Hartman banned people from his forum simply for being *associated* with slash art on OTHER forums. That says a lot for us "crusaders" as you put it."

False. Mods are threatening to ban people for art they posted on dA.

And yeah, it does say a lot.

If you haven't noticed already, THERE ARE NO OTHER FORUMS. There was, but now there isn't, so that part of your argument is invalid.

"We'll find you, and we'll let Butch's wrath fall upon you."

INFERNO DANTE ATTACK!!! OH SHOOT Butch IS God!!

"And we will not show any more mercy."

*cue dramatic suspensful music*

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Someone call the DRRRaaambulance!!
(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 04:26 pm UTC (link)
"Besides, Butch Hartman banned people from his forum simply for being *associated* with slash art on OTHER forums. That says a lot for us "crusaders" as you put it."

Aaaactually, several of us were banned last spring for merely being associated with a slash forum. And then they figured out how to get our forum deleted. Twice. We stick with LJ now. Folk there are far more tolerant and open minded.

As for dA...I'll be sitting over here with a bin of popcorn watching that whole dRAAAAAAAAAAAMA play out. I'm thinking if they couldn't get The Pit to stop allowing slash, they won't succeed with dA, either.

-Hake

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 08:51 am UTC (link)
Amazing.

2000 words? In a letter?!?! That has got to be a 4th grade record!!!

I'm very proud of you and your friend. Keep up the great work!

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 09:38 am UTC (link)
What can you really write about after 200? And what kind of guy has a wrath and the time to read 2000 pages of girls whinning over the fact that people think a character might be gay because, you know, no one is every actually really gay. It's all Satanist BS! We need to scare those anti-fans straight with the power of the holy trinity, God, Jesus, and the Holy Hartman!

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[info]mathias
2005-11-08 10:15 am UTC (link)
LOL

BUTCH HARTMAN =/= GOD

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[info]mathias
2005-11-08 10:37 am UTC (link)
Between you and Liarenne or whatever her face was, you're really not making your "side" look very good what with your wanking. :(

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 06:24 pm UTC (link)
They could probably say the same about us, too. :'( I WEEP.

But, haha, that wouldn't really matter since it seems like all the slashers are having fun with this. XD; As annoying as it all is, I can't help but find it all funny as all hell.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 07:30 am UTC (link)
I never did imply that. I simply used the age 40 as an example. ANti-fans, unforunately, come in all sizes, shapes and ages. They still disgust me.

~AmyPhantom

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 08:42 am UTC (link)
"True fans," as so hilariously dubbed, also come in all sizes, shapes, and ages. They still amuse me.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 08:45 am UTC (link)
I really don't understand this whole 'anti-fan' term? I watch the show weekly, every day I discuss the show online, and I buy just about every product with 'Danny Phantom' stamped on it, but because I think it's cute to look at a picture of Danny pecking Dash on the cheeck instead of Sam or Paulina, I'm suddenly not a fan? I'm so NOT a fan, that I'm an anti-fan? Believe me, if I wasn't a fan, I wouldn't be spending so much time analizing the show and I might have time for other things. Oh wait, is this like the fairies/anti-fairies thing? For every Danny Phantom fan, there's an anti-fan? Maybe you are the fan that I cannot be! But how could that be when you spend all your time insulting all the other fans? Who here really is the 'anti-fan'?

~zip

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 10:10 am UTC (link)
If AmyPhantom is an example of a "true fan", I don't think I'd want to be a "true fan". "Anti-fan" is what all the COOL people are, doncha KNOW???

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-08 10:23 am UTC
So does that mean I'm Anti-Hake? - (Anonymous), 2005-11-08 05:03 pm UTC
Re: So does that mean I'm Anti-Hake? - (Anonymous), 2005-11-12 11:20 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 04:27 pm UTC (link)
It is an interesting choice of age. Especially considering that Butch himself just turned 40 this year.

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Inquiring minds.......
(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Ok, I gotta know this. What would your reaction be if you found out a kid you knew had two moms? Or two dads?

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Re: Inquiring minds.......
(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Hahaaaaaaaaa what an interesting question!

I myself would like to know the answer to this questions. Considering, you know, young children shouldn't know that a whole nother life-style exists or anything, so their minds might explode upon this happening and what have you.

Not all children are the same. Some children can somewhat understand and accept different things. I have a young niece, and she's more than accepting of different lifestyles such as this. She asks a lot of questions, though, and that's perfectly fine. Although the majority of young children may not understand such things, but if you actually sit down and speak with them...they may just understand it and all, yeah? Seems possible to me.

But then again, I'm a slasher. :D And it appears that all us slashers are just horrible old people waiting to be destroyed by the ever-powerful Butch-God.

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Re: Inquiring minds....... - (Anonymous), 2005-11-08 06:08 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 11:34 pm UTC (link)
Such a funny story, looking forward to next chapter of that fanfic. :D


...OH WAIT ITS TRUE!? hahahahayeahright

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-08 11:52 pm UTC (link)
OH GOOOOOOD. XD

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-09 03:54 am UTC (link)
amyphantom's NaNoWriMo Word Count: 546 words. Still behind; I recommend that she extend it into a morality tale on the evils of sake slash.

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