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Patron Saint of Hypoxyphilia ([info]shallow_kid) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2005-12-16 09:13:00


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Current mood:*drool*
Entry tags:elitism, fandom: harry potter, slytherfen

Yay for "prejudism" in fiction! Go, Purebloods, go!
[info]onlyinfatuated over at eljay wrote a lovely little manifesto on Purebloods in the HP universe and why they're oh so much better than half-bloods and mudbloods for obvious reasons. Behold the glory! Nobody asked your opinion, you filthy little mudblood!

But, no, seriously, in more detail, it's now got little to actually do with mudbloods (muggleborns? Who coined that name, anyway? I got used to saying "mudblood" because it was shorter than "people of muggle descent" and after it had become a habit to call them that, all of a sudden there's actually an equally short nickname for them, except now I'm too lazy to go and change it all), except to further emphasize the differences between the Pureblood sides and the non-Pureblood sides. Which is what it's now mostly about. Differentiating between the Pureblood side and the non-Pureblood side.

I have never really understood why people were so eager to change the entire pureblood sentimentality, because there is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that if I were in the wizarding world, I would share those Pureblood sentiments. The whole package. Purebloods are better than mudbloods.

Obviously, the prejudism against mudbloods is supposed to symbolize the prejudism in our world, but sometimes I have to wonder if JK really wanted to put forth that message. It seems for me that she's failed miserably, if I could feel so indifferent to mudbloods and their ordeal.

And prejudism isn't always heinous. Prejudism is not letting a ten year old near a stove; it's not letting your fourteen year old daughter date an eighteen year old boy; it's teaching your child not to talk to strangers.

Now, obviously, prejudism along the lines of racism is wrong, and it is illogical and unreasonable, no matter how you look at it, but the problem, though, is that for some reason, I can't bring myself to see the prejudism against mudbloods as being along those lines. I just can't, no matter how hard I try. For me, it is reasonable, and more than a little justified, too, I think.

The Purebloods are the sort where dinner is a family event in which all members must be present, and there will be no elbows on the table, no raised voices, nothing said unless it's something good, and never even think about arguing; a three course dinner served with a glass of wine on the side and pleasant, relaxing conversations.

The non-Purebloods, on the other hand, use two different tables, one in the kitchen and one in the dining room, because they can't fit all the family members around one table, and it's a shouting chatastrophy with peas flying and mashed potatoes splattering against people, babies crying and mothers screaming, fathers talking on the phone and kids arguing.

But going back to ancestry and tradition, it's that, I think, which is the ultimate problem with mudbloods. That's why Purebloods can't accept them. And I'm looking at this from the Pureblood side, keep in mind. It's not perfect, it's not infallible, certainly. But it's understandable. They've got no lineage, no ancestry, no tradition. They're strangers. Complete and total strangers. The wizarding world is a world that is barred from Muggles, those who don't belong, who are not one of them.

How would you feel if you were living in a top-secret environment that's been closed off to the the outer world for millenia, and then all of a sudden these mudbloods just start waltzing in like they own the place? Like they belong? I'd be pissed.

I don't think that any Pureblood would be delusional enough to convince themselves that every talented mudblood is really an idiot. But it's not about the talent. It's about where on God's land are you coming from? Which man on Earth knocked up your mother? Whose vagina did you pop out of? What blood runs in your veins? To a Pureblood, knowing the answer to those questions is more important than talent.

It's all about giving and taking which is what I personally think is the main problem with mudbloods for Purebloods, and even squibs. Squibs take but never give, because they are completely incapable of giving anything to wizarding society. Mudbloods give but never take. And that's not a good thing in the sense that I'm referring to, which is culture and society. And that's why I can understand why Purebloods think that they really will prove the downfall of wizarding society, in their own clumsy ignorance.


And a wonderful little comment from the Original Perp:

I can't stand bloodtraitors for the same reason I can't stand mudbloods ... they're bringing in Muggle culture into wizarding culture ... and I'm sorry, but I hate how our world turned out, so anybody who's fascinated with it or sees any aspect of it better than in the wizarding society automatically gets my cold-shoulder. I feel like screaming to Arthur, SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I WOULD GIVE TO HAVE WHAT YOU GOT!

To me, Arthur is just JK's little comfort tool. She knows that the wizarding world is no comparison to our world ... again, you know, magic ... so she doesn't want all the little kids who read her book to feel sorry for themselves and hate their world and wish they could all be wizards, so what does she do, she goes and brings in a character who is actually fascinated with our world. Like she's trying to say, "It's okay, folks, it isn't all that, even wizards think we've got it pretty cool!"


Late ETA: ZOMG! Flocked now. :'(




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(Anonymous)
2005-12-16 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I read (well, skimmed) the entire essay, and now I feel like I need a shower.

That's some icky, icky shit.

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[info]llama_treats
2005-12-16 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry. I got to "prejudism" and started laughing too hard to read any more.

Prejudism: Like BC, but different.

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Come the Pureblood revolution, the Mudbloods will be the first to die!
[info]mouseybrown
2005-12-16 05:46 pm UTC (link)
prejudism

Is anyone else misreading this as prejism?

And prejudism isn't always heinous. Prejudism is not letting a ten year old near a stove; it's not letting your fourteen year old daughter date an eighteen year old boy; it's teaching your child not to talk to strangers.

Won't somebody think of the stoves??????? For centuries they (and the Harmoanians) have been an oppressed minority! They just want to give! Won't you let them give?!

S/he/it does know that s/he/it's not really a wizard? Therefore they're a Muggle and as such, s/he/it would actually rate as being lower than a Mudblood?

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[info]lulinda
2005-12-16 05:49 pm UTC (link)
And prejudism isn't always heinous. Prejudism is not letting a ten year old near a stove; it's not letting your fourteen year old daughter date an eighteen year old boy; it's teaching your child not to talk to strangers.

Ah, no. Put down the Hot Topic Slytherin wristbands and pick up a dictionary.

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[info]drakyndra
2005-12-16 05:55 pm UTC (link)
What the fuck does "prejudism" mean?

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[info]dragonkit
2005-12-16 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I can't stand bloodtraitors for the same reason I can't stand mudbloods ... they're bringing in Muggle culture into wizarding culture ... and I'm sorry, but I hate how our world turned out,

This reminds me of something, but I'm not so sure what.

Sieg heil!

Oh yea....



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soula
2005-12-16 06:01 pm UTC (link)
There's just so much stupid! My favorite bit is,

The Purebloods are the sort where dinner is a family event in which all members must be present, and there will be no elbows on the table, no raised voices, nothing said unless it's something good, and never even think about arguing; a three course dinner served with a glass of wine on the side and pleasant, relaxing conversations.

... s/he does realize that the Weasleys are Pureblood, right?

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[info]rotten_fish
2005-12-16 06:05 pm UTC (link)
It's like she doesn't realize they're fiction or something.

Maybe this is another horrible, horrible RPing accident?

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[info]white_serpent
2005-12-16 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I just have to ask. Can the Harry Potter fandom not go one single day? Dang.

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[info]coffee_mug
2005-12-16 06:10 pm UTC (link)
Prejudism is not letting a ten year old near a stove; it's not letting your fourteen year old daughter date an eighteen year old boy; it's teaching your child not to talk to strangers.

Er, so we're prejudiced against stoves now? Oh, let me guess. BECAUSE THEY'RE BLACK!

The Family Dinner-metaphor is so worthy of a good WTF-face. Where does she get this? The canon? Uhhh.

And the Arthur-hate, hahahaha. The poor feller just has a hobby! Because Muggles are weird to wizards - that's why it's funny. You can laugh now.

Blood is thicker than water; blood is memory; you don't choose your family; an ounce of blood is worth more than a pound of friendship. It's all about the blood.
...and night clubs. Darkness. Bar tending. In the dark.

Also, this person does not like paragraphs. Thanks for using such in the highlights.

You know, I'm all for interpretation of literature but it's pretty damn clear that Malfoy's kind are just RACIST. Think Hitler, apartheid, slavery. Yeah. That racist.

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[info]marlo
2005-12-16 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Now, obviously, prejudism along the lines of racism is wrong, and it is illogical and unreasonable, no matter how you look at it, but the problem, though, is that for some reason, I can't bring myself to see the prejudism against mudbloods as being along those lines. I just can't, no matter how hard I try. For me, it is reasonable, and more than a little justified, too, I think.

Okay. So racism is illogical, but "prejudism" (heh) against muggleborns isn't, because the OP just can't bring herself to see the similarities. For no reason at all.

Well if that's logical, I think s/h/it needs to have a little chat with Mr. Spock, or possibly just a quick Nerve Pinch.

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(no subject) - [info]rachelmap, 2005-12-17 05:14 am UTC

[info]limyaael
2005-12-16 06:11 pm UTC (link)
It's about where on God's land are you coming from? Which man on Earth knocked up your mother? Whose vagina did you pop out of? What blood runs in your veins?

Wow, I know that that's the first qusetion I think of when deciding who I want to like or date or associate with.

You, there! Whose vagina did you pop out of? Ew, hers? Sorry, no, I'm afraid that it needs to be a good old American vagina in order to count.

...And she thinks this is different from ordinary "prejudism" (ohgodhelpmeDYING) HOW?

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[info]splorch
2005-12-16 06:13 pm UTC (link)
The non-Purebloods, on the other hand, use two different tables, one in the kitchen and one in the dining room, because they can't fit all the family members around one table, and it's a shouting chatastrophy with peas flying and mashed potatoes splattering against people, babies crying and mothers screaming, fathers talking on the phone and kids arguing.

That actually sounds more like my grandfather's house. You know. The one who thinks Morgan Freeman is "a credit to his race" and whose idea of a high compliment is something along the lines of "them Mexicans is hard workers."

There are not enough words for how much this is irking me, but since the essay is already a heapin' helping of tl;dr I'll just sit on my hands and stew.

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[info]omnicrom
2005-12-16 06:15 pm UTC (link)
...

goes to send this person a "You may be a racist if..." handbook

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[info]pipssister
2005-12-16 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Using "prejudism" once is semi-forgivable, but she JUST KEPT USING IT. @_@

I just ... wow. That's probably one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

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[info]waltraute
2005-12-16 06:24 pm UTC (link)
The next time, in one of the marathon HP wanks, someone says "No one in the fandom actually supports DE bigotry," this one's getting pulled out. Although it's probably not actually applicable to HP, being as she seems to have read too many Shopping and Fucking novels and plastered it on to her love for Draco's blonde sexy manliness.

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(Anonymous)
2005-12-16 06:31 pm UTC (link)
Someone, really, really needs to tell her that there is a real world out there, and Harry Potter does not live in it. This just goes beyond taking a fictional world too seriously.

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[info]kraken_sleeps
2005-12-16 06:37 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

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[info]harrylovesron
2005-12-16 06:38 pm UTC (link)
... does this person not realize that they're writing as though they live in a fictional universe?

*smacks "onlyinfatuated" with a clue-by-four* NEWS FLASH. YOU ARE NOT A WIZARD. THE HARRY POTTER WORLD DOES NOT EXIST. IT IS NOT "YOUR WORLD". GOOD DAY.

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For those at work, a warning: this has sound - [info]marlo, 2005-12-16 06:45 pm UTC
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[info]iris
2005-12-16 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Wow. That rant is the epitome of tl;dr.

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[info]emiweebee
2005-12-16 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Obviously, the prejudism against mudbloods is supposed to symbolize the prejudism in our world, but sometimes I have to wonder if JK really wanted to put forth that message. It seems for me that she's failed miserably, if I could feel so indifferent to mudbloods and their ordeal.

Yeah, it's so hard for me to care about people who, at the cusp of adolescence, find out their entire understanding of how the world works may in fact be wrong, are sent to boarding school half populated with people who wish they'd die or go home, can probably never fully assimilate into their new culture, and have been dealing with fear, resentment, anger, and occasional genocide since the first of their kind was born.

AUGH.

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[info]crazedchipmunk
2005-12-16 07:02 pm UTC (link)
Christ, explodey paragraphs of DOOM! *runs away*

...ooh, shiny highlights!

I got used to saying "mudblood" because it was shorter than "people of muggle descent" and after it had become a habit to call them that

Maybe that's WHY people came up with "Muggleborn," ya dunce. If "African-American" is too long for you, do you say "black" or the one beginning with "n"? Cause "Mudblood" equates to the latter, thanks.

The non-Purebloods, on the other hand, use two different tables, one in the kitchen and one in the dining room, because they can't fit all the family members around one table

Hmm, sounds a bit like the Pureblood Weasleys...

and it's a shouting chatastrophy with peas flying and mashed potatoes splattering against people, babies crying and mothers screaming, fathers talking on the phone and kids arguing.

Really? I never go the impression Hermione lived in a trailor court. I thought she was a smart, well-behaved (and possibly only) child of two dentists. Damn you, canon, for interfering with logic once again!

Eurgh. Taking fandom seriously makes me feel unclean.

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[info]jetamors
2005-12-16 07:07 pm UTC (link)
But... but... but... even American me can see that the Malfoys are so New Money it hurts. Anybody using them to illustrate aristocracy automatically loses, IMHO.

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[info]marciamarcia
2005-12-16 07:07 pm UTC (link)
This has got to be a parody or something. It's just too weird to be serious.

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(no subject) - [info]diane_duane, 2005-12-19 08:18 pm UTC

[info]mcity
2005-12-16 07:12 pm UTC (link)
Continuing in my mission to rec this link everywhere applicable. Oh, and to stop furbashing.

And prejudism isn't always heinous. Prejudism is not letting a ten year old near a stove; it's not letting your fourteen year old daughter date an eighteen year old boy; it's teaching your child not to talk to strangers.

Prejudice (n)
1.
1. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
2. A preconceived preference or idea.
2. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
3. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
4. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others.

How is not letting a child near a stove prejudice?

Now, obviously, prejudism along the lines of racism is wrong, and it is illogical and unreasonable, no matter how you look at it, but the problem, though, is that for some reason, I can't bring myself to see the prejudism against mudbloods as being along those lines. I just can't, no matter how hard I try. For me, it is reasonable, and more than a little justified, too, I think.
Would someone please tell me when racism does not include prejudice? Have I gotten the description wrong all these years?

To me, Arthur is just JK's little comfort tool. She knows that the wizarding world is no comparison to our world ... again, you know, magic ... so she doesn't want all the little kids who read her book to feel sorry for themselves and hate their world and wish they could all be wizards, so what does she do, she goes and brings in a character who is actually fascinated with our world. Like she's trying to say, "It's okay, folks, it isn't all that, even wizards think we've got it pretty cool!"
I could've sworn he was just a nice dad with an odd hobby.

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