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Shall Old Harmonians Be Forgot and Never Brought to Mind? Not on my watch!
I was sort of figuring on posting some New Year's Harmonian stuff to mark a very pleasant year with that bunch, but then I realized I'd actually be miles away from my internet connection and partying on New Year's Eve, so here it is early.
So we've seen the Harmonians who think JK Rowling is "bitch-ass crack whore," what about the ones who still worship her as a tricky goddess who's actually writing H/Hr? Enter the Portkey thread: Serious Analysis of the Interview, Line-by-Line Harmonian Scrutiny... Arm Wild goes at 'The Interview' witha chainsaw all his developed critical faculties and proves JKR is really planning to write H/Hr. File this one under 'fannish absurdities,' because Arm Wild should be indicted for his assault on meaning and anguage. While we're at it, I suggest banning him from ever using a dictionary again.
I'm posting some of the highlights of the 'essay,' with Arm Wild's bits in bold and quotes from Rowling in italics.
Ok I know this might have been done before, but I have decided to post a
line-by-line, serious analysis of THE interview (basically my own commentary
after every important line). The point is to work through the interview slowly,
with an open mind, and discover just how "sunk" we really are...
*snip*
There's a theory - this applies to detective novels, and then Harry, which is
not really a detective novel, but it feels like one sometimes - that you
should not have romantic intrigue in a detective book. Dorothy L. Sayers, who is
queen of the genre said - and then broke her own rule, but said - that there
is no place for romance in a detective story except that it can be useful to
camouflage other people's motives. That's true; it is a very useful trick.
I've used that on Percy and I've used that to a degree on Tonks in this book,
as a red herring. But having said that, I disagree inasmuch as mine are very
character-driven books, and it's so important, therefore, that we see these
characters fall in love, which is a necessary part of life.
Ok JKR is telling us that romance is important in hp one way or
another...something we've always known.
Notice that she said "romantic intrigue" is important. Definitions of intrigue:
a crafty and involved plot to achieve your usually sinister ends
cause to be interested or curious
a clandestine love affair
scheme: form intrigues (for) in an underhand manner
Emphasis mine. If JKR hits us with HHr as her final ultimate romance, after hbp,
it would definately seem "crafty and involved". It would definately seem
"clandestine". It would definately be "underhand". This is romantic intrigue!
JKR could be telling us that hbp was part of her "intrigue", setting us up for
HHr!
*snip*
JKR: Well no, I'm not going to - Emerson, I am not going to say they're
delusional! They are still valued members of my readership! I am not going to
use the word delusional. I am however, going to say — now I am trusting both
of you to do the spoiler thing when you write this up —
Why does she refuse to call us delusional? After all...if she really made it
"painfully obvious", then aren't we rightfully delusional? Definition of
Delusion:
a false belief that is maintained in spite of contrary evidence.
Emphasis mine. So...she gave us all this "contrary evidence" so I guess that
does it eh? We're delusional! But no! She won't say it. Maybe she's just trying
to be nice. But based on the later jokes of "feisty militants", I don't really
think she cares about being nice. Maybe she won't call us delusional because
despite all the "contrary evidence" that was used to create "intrigue", in the
end, HHr is not a "false belief"!
So the "contrary evidence" is there but it's not a "false belief" so Emerson's
description is wrong! Could that be what JKR is thinking? Let's take a look at
the next comment.
[More laughter.]
JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once
people have read book six. I mean, that's it. It's done, isn't it? We
know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have
dropped heavy -
Well, it's going to be clear that all that Ron/Hermione bickering tension was
not by accident! It was leading up to hbp!
"that's it. It's done" = She got that part of the "intrigue" off her hands! That
doesn't mean it's done for book seven!
We Know! We now (at this moment) know that's it's Ron and Hermione. But
permanently or temporarily? She ain't said nothin about that has she?
Am I building a case here of what?
[All crack up]
JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly
think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of 'Azkaban'
that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet...
Yeah as I said before, I concede that she dropped ANVIL-sized hints (talking
now about Ron/Hermione, not Harry/Ginny). Yes she dropped ANVIL-sized hints that
the hbp-phenomenon would happen. But that didn't stop her from dropping some
subtle Harry/Hermione hints along the way did it? Namely in ootp...
Should we be called delusional for ignoring the ANVILS? no! because "ANVILS"
doesn't mean Harmony is a "false belief" for book 7! "ANVILS" foreshadowed hbp,
ootp forshadowed book 7!
*snip*
I want to make it clear that delusional is your word and not mine! [Much
laughter.]
Because Harmony is not a "false belief"!
*snip*
JKR: Well I think anyone who is still shipping Harry/Hermione after this book
-
after this book"= Book 7. Anyone who is still shipping Harry/Hermione for
book 7-...
ES: [whispered] Delusional!
JKR: Uh - no! But they need to go back and reread, I think.
Anyone who is still shipping Harry/Hermione for book 7- needs to go back and
reread=got alot of work to do. Those of us who are still going strong for book 7
(after this book) have to reread. Remember, JKR likes shipper-talk. She wants us
to do the work. How do we do the work? by rereading!
I mean, Mellisa is talking about laying things on tables and JKR is suggesting
that we reread if we're the tough shippers who are still shipping Harmony for
book 7. I think it's a hint to do the work and find out for ourselves if it's
over or not!
ES: Thank you.
JKR: Yeah.
MA: That is going to -
JKR: Will it make your lives slightly easier?
JKR completely MISLED Emerson and Mellisa. Instead of laying it on the table
for real and saying "it's over" she told us to "reread" and now Emerson and
Mellisa think their lives are so much easier.... ahahahaha... !
Mellisa wants her to lay it on the table and she could have done so easily then
and there, but she instead does the typical evasive JKR thing.
Her message to us is "reread" instead of "Harmony is over". I've reread already
JKR, and I still think there's as strong of a foundation as ever for Harmony in
the end! Please make it happen!
----------------------------------------
I think that's quite enough, though there's lots and lots more including an
explanation that when JKR called Ginny the ideal girl for Harry, she only meant
that Ginny was like Hermione, whom Harry's destined for.
Five pages of arguing follows in which some people try to explain why this
analysis is problematic and others rally around the Harmonian flag. Happy New
Year, everyone. May it be full of mind-boggling wank!
I was sort of figuring on posting some New Year's Harmonian stuff to mark a very pleasant year with that bunch, but then I realized I'd actually be miles away from my internet connection and partying on New Year's Eve, so here it is early.
So we've seen the Harmonians who think JK Rowling is "bitch-ass crack whore," what about the ones who still worship her as a tricky goddess who's actually writing H/Hr? Enter the Portkey thread: Serious Analysis of the Interview, Line-by-Line Harmonian Scrutiny... Arm Wild goes at 'The Interview' with
I'm posting some of the highlights of the 'essay,' with Arm Wild's bits in bold and quotes from Rowling in italics.
Ok I know this might have been done before, but I have decided to post a
line-by-line, serious analysis of THE interview (basically my own commentary
after every important line). The point is to work through the interview slowly,
with an open mind, and discover just how "sunk" we really are...
*snip*
There's a theory - this applies to detective novels, and then Harry, which is
not really a detective novel, but it feels like one sometimes - that you
should not have romantic intrigue in a detective book. Dorothy L. Sayers, who is
queen of the genre said - and then broke her own rule, but said - that there
is no place for romance in a detective story except that it can be useful to
camouflage other people's motives. That's true; it is a very useful trick.
I've used that on Percy and I've used that to a degree on Tonks in this book,
as a red herring. But having said that, I disagree inasmuch as mine are very
character-driven books, and it's so important, therefore, that we see these
characters fall in love, which is a necessary part of life.
Ok JKR is telling us that romance is important in hp one way or
another...something we've always known.
Notice that she said "romantic intrigue" is important. Definitions of intrigue:
a crafty and involved plot to achieve your usually sinister ends
cause to be interested or curious
a clandestine love affair
scheme: form intrigues (for) in an underhand manner
Emphasis mine. If JKR hits us with HHr as her final ultimate romance, after hbp,
it would definately seem "crafty and involved". It would definately seem
"clandestine". It would definately be "underhand". This is romantic intrigue!
JKR could be telling us that hbp was part of her "intrigue", setting us up for
HHr!
*snip*
JKR: Well no, I'm not going to - Emerson, I am not going to say they're
delusional! They are still valued members of my readership! I am not going to
use the word delusional. I am however, going to say — now I am trusting both
of you to do the spoiler thing when you write this up —
Why does she refuse to call us delusional? After all...if she really made it
"painfully obvious", then aren't we rightfully delusional? Definition of
Delusion:
a false belief that is maintained in spite of contrary evidence.
Emphasis mine. So...she gave us all this "contrary evidence" so I guess that
does it eh? We're delusional! But no! She won't say it. Maybe she's just trying
to be nice. But based on the later jokes of "feisty militants", I don't really
think she cares about being nice. Maybe she won't call us delusional because
despite all the "contrary evidence" that was used to create "intrigue", in the
end, HHr is not a "false belief"!
So the "contrary evidence" is there but it's not a "false belief" so Emerson's
description is wrong! Could that be what JKR is thinking? Let's take a look at
the next comment.
[More laughter.]
JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once
people have read book six. I mean, that's it. It's done, isn't it? We
know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have
dropped heavy -
Well, it's going to be clear that all that Ron/Hermione bickering tension was
not by accident! It was leading up to hbp!
"that's it. It's done" = She got that part of the "intrigue" off her hands! That
doesn't mean it's done for book seven!
We Know! We now (at this moment) know that's it's Ron and Hermione. But
permanently or temporarily? She ain't said nothin about that has she?
Am I building a case here of what?
[All crack up]
JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly
think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of 'Azkaban'
that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet...
Yeah as I said before, I concede that she dropped ANVIL-sized hints (talking
now about Ron/Hermione, not Harry/Ginny). Yes she dropped ANVIL-sized hints that
the hbp-phenomenon would happen. But that didn't stop her from dropping some
subtle Harry/Hermione hints along the way did it? Namely in ootp...
Should we be called delusional for ignoring the ANVILS? no! because "ANVILS"
doesn't mean Harmony is a "false belief" for book 7! "ANVILS" foreshadowed hbp,
ootp forshadowed book 7!
*snip*
I want to make it clear that delusional is your word and not mine! [Much
laughter.]
Because Harmony is not a "false belief"!
*snip*
JKR: Well I think anyone who is still shipping Harry/Hermione after this book
-
after this book"= Book 7. Anyone who is still shipping Harry/Hermione for
book 7-...
ES: [whispered] Delusional!
JKR: Uh - no! But they need to go back and reread, I think.
Anyone who is still shipping Harry/Hermione for book 7- needs to go back and
reread=got alot of work to do. Those of us who are still going strong for book 7
(after this book) have to reread. Remember, JKR likes shipper-talk. She wants us
to do the work. How do we do the work? by rereading!
I mean, Mellisa is talking about laying things on tables and JKR is suggesting
that we reread if we're the tough shippers who are still shipping Harmony for
book 7. I think it's a hint to do the work and find out for ourselves if it's
over or not!
ES: Thank you.
JKR: Yeah.
MA: That is going to -
JKR: Will it make your lives slightly easier?
JKR completely MISLED Emerson and Mellisa. Instead of laying it on the table
for real and saying "it's over" she told us to "reread" and now Emerson and
Mellisa think their lives are so much easier.... ahahahaha... !
Mellisa wants her to lay it on the table and she could have done so easily then
and there, but she instead does the typical evasive JKR thing.
Her message to us is "reread" instead of "Harmony is over". I've reread already
JKR, and I still think there's as strong of a foundation as ever for Harmony in
the end! Please make it happen!
----------------------------------------
I think that's quite enough, though there's lots and lots more including an
explanation that when JKR called Ginny the ideal girl for Harry, she only meant
that Ginny was like Hermione, whom Harry's destined for.
Five pages of arguing follows in which some people try to explain why this
analysis is problematic and others rally around the Harmonian flag. Happy New
Year, everyone. May it be full of mind-boggling wank!
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